BNR34

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That correspond with what I read from a few reviews, they stated the suspension tuning is on the floaty side, and the sport mode don't firm it up much at all. Which would explain the lack of high speed stability.

CDNROCKIES

Idiots like this are laughable and lead me to the door, not anywhere near their vehicles.

Trying to sell high end cars with low end staff isn't going to change Hyundai's perception to Tier 1 buyers.

One of the most impressive things that I found with the Porsche sales guy when looking at the Panamera, is that he new every competitor vehicle in the class and new it's strengths and weaknesses. He didn't say one disparaging word about any other model or marque. That is how a great salesman sells cars.

BNR34

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Criticism is not a good way to make your customer feel good.

Lexus cost more is not due to silly mark up, it is because it is so much better

BNR34

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I doubt it also.

Agreed 100%, Lexus completely changed the game. Hyundai is just trying to copy what Lexus did but with 60% effort.

Exactly. I am sure the so call highly trained Equus specialist is just the highest performing salesman in the dealer, so he sold a tons of Accent, Elantra and Sonata, that doesn't make him a highend luxury car expert.

For the record, I have no intention of buying a Equus. I want to check it out simply for the reason of checking out a lower price value competitor. I have no desire to buy a lower quality car for less money.

For sure. It is good for the consumers though, a used Equus will be the perfect beater in a few years. Mint low mileage car should be available for around $20k.

Och

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This isn't the Phaeton all over again. The Phaeton was actually a "phanstastic, phenominal" car with the wrong badge

The Haiyondie? Probably not so much

MPLexus301

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Sounds like Hyundai needs to work on training their staff.

Think about it: a guy has been selling $10K accents and $20K Sonatas for years, and all the sudden they drop a $65k luxo barge on the showroom floor. I'm sure the commission and sheer thought of a sale is making him salivate. No wonder he is being passive aggressive.

Sorry to hear this.

LexFather

True the Phaeton is a phenomenal car. I'll have to review the Equus to see how it stacks up.

Good point on the drop of values, gonna drop like a rock.

It really reminds me of my Hyundai visit I reported. The Genesis sedan looked completely out of place there, even though I thought it was a a fine car. The place just screamed CHEEAAAAPP.

The Genesis hasn't sold as well as predicted and now has ample incentives and lease rates. The Equus will surely follow its path.

I think I'll go and try to check one out and see how things go so we can get another evaluation (edit just contacted them)

BNR34

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Definitely

As the level and class of cars goes up, their corresponding salesman's level of knowledge, intelligent and courtesy goes up. The highend brand's salesmen knows all competitor's strengths and weaknesses and they are never pushy. My favorite was the Aston Martin's guy, he is a perfect British gentleman and a genuine car guy, he wants me to drive his car even though he knows I am not serious of buying one. He said once you drive it, you would want one That's how you sell a car!

Hyundai is the opposite end, laughed at the higher end car you drove in and only wants to know what color you want and when you can write them a check.......LOL

This is the reason why I want to check out all level of cars, it is fun to see how people behave at different level. From Hyundai to Bugatti

BNR34

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Cheap places I can handle, I can't handle ghetto scumbag slimeball salesmen.

Make sure you drive your old ES300 there so they won't laugh at how much you over pay for your new Hybrids........JK

chikoo

heard of uncle scrooge?
There are tons of them out there who will buy luxury at the cheapest price they can find.

bitkahuna

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and this is based on dealing with 1 salesperson?

pure speculation on the Equus used car price.

maybe 60% of the effort is the right amount now?

oh really? i'm shocked.

no, you'd rather waste the time of someone who's trying to make a living, even if they could never meet your sneering standards even a saint were selling it to you.

but you still won't buy one anyway because you're "All Lexus, All Kouki, All Stock, All Loaded"

maybe that slimeball is smarter than you realize and on to you. they can often read people extremely well and know when their chain is being yanked.

bitkahuna

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also, BNR, you've posted a couple of times how couple of year old Equus are likely to be half the new price. well, just looked at used LS600hL and found it interesting that a low mileage one is about half what a new one is too.

2008 Lexus LS 600hL
27589 miles
$59,995

BNR34

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Based on all the various salesmen (maybe 5-6) I have met at the Hyundai dealer since the Genesis sedan came out. I wasn't talking about this guy I just talked to on the phone at all

Not speculation. Most used cars have the same pattern of depreciation rate, from $15k Kias to $300k Bentleys. The value dropped 50% every 3 years or so, plus and minus 1 year and 10%, depends on if it hold it's value or not. I would guess the Equus is on the lower side, so it would depreciate 60% in 3 years. Hence where the $25k-$30k came from.

Lexus gave it 500% when they made the LS400 to break into the luxury market 20 years ago. Hyundai must be god to think they can do it with 60%.

I should have said "I have no intention of buying a Equus right now". No one knows the future and I could be a potential buyer in the future. So you don't look at any cars at all if you are not ready to buy one?

I could be so impress by the car that I change my mind and buy one? No one knows what will happen. My standard is pretty low, the Aston Martin salesman met my standard 100%, and he insisted that I test drive the car even after I told him I am not a serious buyer. Smart salesman play it from a different angle.

Because every cars I own now is a Lexus, that makes me not going to buy any other brand in the future?

I never said he wasn't smart, I just said his attitude is really bad. Test driving a car with no intention of buying is yanking his chain?

BNR34

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Yup.......all normal mass production cars follow the same pattern. Plus and minus 10% and 1 year. Highly desireable cars like Lexus RX350 would only depreciate 40% in 4 years.......then less desireable used cars like most of the European brands would depreciate 60% in 3 years.

The LS600hL is a less popular used car, so it only worth 50% in 3 years.

I predict the Equus would depreciate 50%-60% in 3 years.

BNR34

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Now that I thought about it, I think you misunderstood me.

I wasn't implying that because the Equus is inferior, it would depreciate extra fast. I was mainly saying since the Equus start out with a lower MSRP of around $60k, when it worth $25k-$30k in 3 years, it would be extra desireable. When a fully loaded LS460L still worth $40k-$45k.