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Big Brother says "Lock your Doors"
I can't figure out if this cop is smart or not. My guess is that it was all a publicity stunt to call attention to people grabbing stuff out of unlocked cars.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...html?viewAll=y
He quickly backed off:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local..._backlash.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...html?viewAll=y
Upper Moreland chief proposes fines for unlocked cars
By Peter Mucha
Inquirer Staff Writer
Police Chief Thomas Nestel has a radical - and riling - idea for car owners in Upper Moreland Township:
Lock it, or get hit in the pocket.
The aim of a proposed $25 fine, Nestel said, is to reduce thefts of items from cars and, in so doing, help rid the eastern Montgomery County municipality of thieving drug abusers.
The proposal, aired Monday night at a township commissioners' meeting, raised the eyebrows of one local law professor, and angered some who see it as another cash-collecting government intrusion that tramples people's rights.
"We have a constitutional right to keep our doors unlocked any time we want, you fascist scum," one person said in a voice-mail message for Nestel. The caller threatened to sue if the commissioners enacted the measure.
The proposal might be a first, at least in these parts. Neither Nestel nor Drexel University law professor Donald F. Tibbs said they knew of such fines elsewhere. News reports say unlocked-car fines have been instituted in parts of Australia.
Making money for the municipality is not the goal, Nestel said. "I wouldn't care if it was a $5 fine, as long as it got people to lock their doors."
"What I'm trying to address is the criminal element coming into our community."
Under the proposal, he explained at the commissioners' meeting, no fine would be levied the first time an unlocked car is found parked on a residential street.
The police officer, or a civilian member of the department, would leave an informational flier on the driver's seat and lock the vehicle.
Each subsequent offense within a year could bring a $25 fine. No court costs would be added, no cars towed, and no citations written for unlocked cars in owners' driveways, Nestel said.
Generally, he said, a police officer or community-service representative would go to areas with high reports of thefts from autos, and check all parked cars on a street.
"If we open the door and a kilo of cocaine was in the door pocket, I think we should probably take action," he said, calling such a circumstance highly unlikely.
The fine and its enforcement could raise legal issues, said Tibbs, an associate professor at Drexel's Earle Mack School of Law, who this week was teaching students about constitutional rights relating to autos.
Courts generally give police more leeway to stop cars that are being driven and search them, Tibbs said. Erratic driving or slurred speech can justify a search of a car, in part because the evidence could drive away.
But in constitutional terms, a parked car is more like a house, Tibbs said. If an officer opens the door and goes inside, he said, that seems like trespassing.
He said an officer's claim of entering in "good faith" because of an unlocked door, then happening to notice drugs in "plain view," might not hold up in court.
Checking car locks in some neighborhoods but not others "also sets off questions of policing in different ways in different communities," Tibbs said.
Nestel called such concerns unwarranted. "I'm amused at the constitutional law references," he said, noting that he co-taught a criminology course at the University of Pennsylvania that covered constitutional procedure. Nestel, who was a Philadelphia police officer for 22 years and boasts three master's degrees, said he was a candidate for a doctorate in criminology.
The goal of the proposal, he said, "is to reduce our theft from autos and to push drug abusers out of our community. . . . The criminal profile for this particular offense is a teenager with a drug-abuse problem."
In 81 reports of thefts from autos this year in Upper Moreland, he said, 61 owners said they had left cars unlocked, and a dozen were unsure if their cars had been locked.
Nestel told the commissioners that he doubted such an ordinance would trigger more breaking of car windows by would-be thieves.
But the proposal has triggered strong feelings. One man e-mailed Nestel to say he would leave his car unlocked, the better to "get into a constitutional battle with the town at the taxpayers' expense."
The township's health and safety committee is to meet Nov. 8 to decide whether to forward the proposal to the full Board of Commissioners.
Upper Moreland has no plans to try what a British town attempted last year. Police removed valuables from unlocked cars - then left notes advising that the items could be retrieved at Twickenham police station.
By Peter Mucha
Inquirer Staff Writer
Police Chief Thomas Nestel has a radical - and riling - idea for car owners in Upper Moreland Township:
Lock it, or get hit in the pocket.
The aim of a proposed $25 fine, Nestel said, is to reduce thefts of items from cars and, in so doing, help rid the eastern Montgomery County municipality of thieving drug abusers.
The proposal, aired Monday night at a township commissioners' meeting, raised the eyebrows of one local law professor, and angered some who see it as another cash-collecting government intrusion that tramples people's rights.
"We have a constitutional right to keep our doors unlocked any time we want, you fascist scum," one person said in a voice-mail message for Nestel. The caller threatened to sue if the commissioners enacted the measure.
The proposal might be a first, at least in these parts. Neither Nestel nor Drexel University law professor Donald F. Tibbs said they knew of such fines elsewhere. News reports say unlocked-car fines have been instituted in parts of Australia.
Making money for the municipality is not the goal, Nestel said. "I wouldn't care if it was a $5 fine, as long as it got people to lock their doors."
"What I'm trying to address is the criminal element coming into our community."
Under the proposal, he explained at the commissioners' meeting, no fine would be levied the first time an unlocked car is found parked on a residential street.
The police officer, or a civilian member of the department, would leave an informational flier on the driver's seat and lock the vehicle.
Each subsequent offense within a year could bring a $25 fine. No court costs would be added, no cars towed, and no citations written for unlocked cars in owners' driveways, Nestel said.
Generally, he said, a police officer or community-service representative would go to areas with high reports of thefts from autos, and check all parked cars on a street.
"If we open the door and a kilo of cocaine was in the door pocket, I think we should probably take action," he said, calling such a circumstance highly unlikely.
The fine and its enforcement could raise legal issues, said Tibbs, an associate professor at Drexel's Earle Mack School of Law, who this week was teaching students about constitutional rights relating to autos.
Courts generally give police more leeway to stop cars that are being driven and search them, Tibbs said. Erratic driving or slurred speech can justify a search of a car, in part because the evidence could drive away.
But in constitutional terms, a parked car is more like a house, Tibbs said. If an officer opens the door and goes inside, he said, that seems like trespassing.
He said an officer's claim of entering in "good faith" because of an unlocked door, then happening to notice drugs in "plain view," might not hold up in court.
Checking car locks in some neighborhoods but not others "also sets off questions of policing in different ways in different communities," Tibbs said.
Nestel called such concerns unwarranted. "I'm amused at the constitutional law references," he said, noting that he co-taught a criminology course at the University of Pennsylvania that covered constitutional procedure. Nestel, who was a Philadelphia police officer for 22 years and boasts three master's degrees, said he was a candidate for a doctorate in criminology.
The goal of the proposal, he said, "is to reduce our theft from autos and to push drug abusers out of our community. . . . The criminal profile for this particular offense is a teenager with a drug-abuse problem."
In 81 reports of thefts from autos this year in Upper Moreland, he said, 61 owners said they had left cars unlocked, and a dozen were unsure if their cars had been locked.
Nestel told the commissioners that he doubted such an ordinance would trigger more breaking of car windows by would-be thieves.
But the proposal has triggered strong feelings. One man e-mailed Nestel to say he would leave his car unlocked, the better to "get into a constitutional battle with the town at the taxpayers' expense."
The township's health and safety committee is to meet Nov. 8 to decide whether to forward the proposal to the full Board of Commissioners.
Upper Moreland has no plans to try what a British town attempted last year. Police removed valuables from unlocked cars - then left notes advising that the items could be retrieved at Twickenham police station.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local..._backlash.html
Upper Moreland car lock fine dropped over backlash
By Peter Mucha
Inquirer Staff Writer
After getting copies of the Constitution, sarcastic suggestions, and "some phone calls that were just purely profanity-screaming," Upper Moreland's police chief has dropped the idea of fining people who fail to lock their cars.
Chief Thomas Nestel hoped to cut crime, but as the unusual idea captured national attention, complaints streamed in that his enforcement plan would open the door - literally - to rights-infringing searches.
He declined requests from CNN and Fox News to appear to discuss the proposal, reportedly tried so far only in parts of Australia.
As outlined at a township meeting Monday, the plan was that a first offense would draw a warning in the form of a flier left on the driver's seat. The doors would then be locked.
Subsequent violations within one year would earn a $25 ticket. The ordinance would be enforced by police or civilian department members checking the doors of autos parked on neighborhood streets - not in residential driveways.
Because thefts from cars are often committed by young drug abusers, such a plan might help drive them out of town, he stated.
But assorted citizens from near and far got riled about their rights. They called or e-mailed the chief.
" 'Fascist pig' was very popular. I've become very comfortable with being called that now," he said.
The attitude perplexes Nestel, since there's wide acceptance of all sorts of minor rules - like how high lawns can grow.
"There are definitely people who have missed the point on this, and they're focusing on the government making law instead of on solving a legitimate problem," he said.
One e-mailer wondered if Upper Moreland was going to fine children for forgetting to wear gloves in winter.
Another wrote that he hoped to get fined so he could sue to try to have the courts toss out such an ordinance.
In a poll on Philly.com, "No fines - and stay out of my car!" was favored by 80 percent of respondents.
Nestel, a 25-year veteran of policing who's working toward his doctorate in criminology at the University of Pennsylvania, argued that the system - including seizing contraband discovered while locking cars or leaving fliers - would be constitutional. The town solicitor didn't disagree, he added.
The public has spoken, which is how democracy is meant to work, Nestel said.
"This isn't a loss for anybody," he said. "I got the word out about the problem and the easy solution."
No Plan B is in the works.
Upper Moreland won't tweet unlocked-car locations to drive the message home. Or leave big signs on unlocked sedans announcing "Laptop Here," he said.
By Peter Mucha
Inquirer Staff Writer
After getting copies of the Constitution, sarcastic suggestions, and "some phone calls that were just purely profanity-screaming," Upper Moreland's police chief has dropped the idea of fining people who fail to lock their cars.
Chief Thomas Nestel hoped to cut crime, but as the unusual idea captured national attention, complaints streamed in that his enforcement plan would open the door - literally - to rights-infringing searches.
He declined requests from CNN and Fox News to appear to discuss the proposal, reportedly tried so far only in parts of Australia.
As outlined at a township meeting Monday, the plan was that a first offense would draw a warning in the form of a flier left on the driver's seat. The doors would then be locked.
Subsequent violations within one year would earn a $25 ticket. The ordinance would be enforced by police or civilian department members checking the doors of autos parked on neighborhood streets - not in residential driveways.
Because thefts from cars are often committed by young drug abusers, such a plan might help drive them out of town, he stated.
But assorted citizens from near and far got riled about their rights. They called or e-mailed the chief.
" 'Fascist pig' was very popular. I've become very comfortable with being called that now," he said.
The attitude perplexes Nestel, since there's wide acceptance of all sorts of minor rules - like how high lawns can grow.
"There are definitely people who have missed the point on this, and they're focusing on the government making law instead of on solving a legitimate problem," he said.
One e-mailer wondered if Upper Moreland was going to fine children for forgetting to wear gloves in winter.
Another wrote that he hoped to get fined so he could sue to try to have the courts toss out such an ordinance.
In a poll on Philly.com, "No fines - and stay out of my car!" was favored by 80 percent of respondents.
Nestel, a 25-year veteran of policing who's working toward his doctorate in criminology at the University of Pennsylvania, argued that the system - including seizing contraband discovered while locking cars or leaving fliers - would be constitutional. The town solicitor didn't disagree, he added.
The public has spoken, which is how democracy is meant to work, Nestel said.
"This isn't a loss for anybody," he said. "I got the word out about the problem and the easy solution."
No Plan B is in the works.
Upper Moreland won't tweet unlocked-car locations to drive the message home. Or leave big signs on unlocked sedans announcing "Laptop Here," he said.
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I think that the citizens of Upper Moreland need to take it to the city council and have this jackass removed as the head of a police department that instead of actually deterring and policing crime wants to commit it.
Laughing at the Constitutional law references? Is this **** serious? That is a clear violation of the citizens rights. You should absolutely have the right to leave whatever you want in YOUR car. Should you leave it in plain sight? Probably not, but why not leave a cop in plain sight so that the thieves won't think it's a good idea?
This idiot has the potential for a doctorate in criminology? Not surprising. If he does this, he's a criminal and he should master it. Any reasonable person can see that this type of law enforcement is absolutely ridonkulous, and the city council needs to keep him from spreading like a disease to the other officers in the PD. What a joke.
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Laughing at the Constitutional law references? Is this **** serious? That is a clear violation of the citizens rights. You should absolutely have the right to leave whatever you want in YOUR car. Should you leave it in plain sight? Probably not, but why not leave a cop in plain sight so that the thieves won't think it's a good idea?
This idiot has the potential for a doctorate in criminology? Not surprising. If he does this, he's a criminal and he should master it. Any reasonable person can see that this type of law enforcement is absolutely ridonkulous, and the city council needs to keep him from spreading like a disease to the other officers in the PD. What a joke.
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I think that the citizens of Upper Moreland need to take it to the city council and have this jackass removed as the head of a police department that instead of actually deterring and policing crime wants to commit it.
Laughing at the Constitutional law references? Is this **** serious? That is a clear violation of the citizens rights. You should absolutely have the right to leave whatever you want in YOUR car. Should you leave it in plain sight? Probably not, but why not leave a cop in plain sight so that the thieves won't think it's a good idea?
This idiot has the potential for a doctorate in criminology? Not surprising. If he does this, he's a criminal and he should master it. Any reasonable person can see that this type of law enforcement is absolutely ridonkulous, and the city council needs to keep him from spreading like a disease to the other officers in the PD. What a joke.
Big Mack
Laughing at the Constitutional law references? Is this **** serious? That is a clear violation of the citizens rights. You should absolutely have the right to leave whatever you want in YOUR car. Should you leave it in plain sight? Probably not, but why not leave a cop in plain sight so that the thieves won't think it's a good idea?
This idiot has the potential for a doctorate in criminology? Not surprising. If he does this, he's a criminal and he should master it. Any reasonable person can see that this type of law enforcement is absolutely ridonkulous, and the city council needs to keep him from spreading like a disease to the other officers in the PD. What a joke.
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the plan was that a first offense would draw a warning in the form of a flier left on the driver's seat. The doors would then be locked.
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Think of it like this: Just as you pay a fee for repeated false alarms on your home security system that bring out the cops to investigate the cause of the alarm, shouldn't you be charged a service fee for leaving your car unlocked? If you fail to lock your car, you might be considered an accessory to auto burglary or theft.
If nothing else, you are making additional work for your local police through your negligence - leaving your car unlocked; then you should be expected to pay your fair share of the officer's hours invested in the pursuit of the criminal you "aided" in his crime - a crime that would not have occurred had you done your part to secure your property.
By leaving your property easily "available" to a criminal, you are encouraging crime. To feel that your local police have to come along behind you and clean up your mess is a little irresponsible to your neighbors who at least make an effort to prevent criminal activity by locking their cars. Why should they pay higher taxes for police services when YOU are the one who is contributing to the problem? If you are going to contribute to the commission of auto burglary or theft, shouldn't you have to pay a bit extra? After all, it's only fair . . . consider it a "use" tax for the services of your local police.
I'm no fan of big government, but I'm for individual responsibility. I believe the latter applies in this case.
If nothing else, you are making additional work for your local police through your negligence - leaving your car unlocked; then you should be expected to pay your fair share of the officer's hours invested in the pursuit of the criminal you "aided" in his crime - a crime that would not have occurred had you done your part to secure your property.
By leaving your property easily "available" to a criminal, you are encouraging crime. To feel that your local police have to come along behind you and clean up your mess is a little irresponsible to your neighbors who at least make an effort to prevent criminal activity by locking their cars. Why should they pay higher taxes for police services when YOU are the one who is contributing to the problem? If you are going to contribute to the commission of auto burglary or theft, shouldn't you have to pay a bit extra? After all, it's only fair . . . consider it a "use" tax for the services of your local police.
I'm no fan of big government, but I'm for individual responsibility. I believe the latter applies in this case.
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Think of it like this: Just as you pay a fee for repeated false alarms on your home security system that bring out the cops to investigate the cause of the alarm, shouldn't you be charged a service fee for leaving your car unlocked? If you fail to lock your car, you might be considered an accessory to auto burglary or theft.
If nothing else, you are making additional work for your local police through your negligence - leaving your car unlocked; then you should be expected to pay your fair share of the officer's hours invested in the pursuit of the criminal you "aided" in his crime - a crime that would not have occurred had you done your part to secure your property.
By leaving your property easily "available" to a criminal, you are encouraging crime. To feel that your local police have to come along behind you and clean up your mess is a little irresponsible to your neighbors who at least make an effort to prevent criminal activity by locking their cars. Why should they pay higher taxes for police services when YOU are the one who is contributing to the problem? If you are going to contribute to the commission of auto burglary or theft, shouldn't you have to pay a bit extra? After all, it's only fair . . . consider it a "use" tax for the services of your local police.
I'm no fan of big government, but I'm for individual responsibility. I believe the latter applies in this case.
If nothing else, you are making additional work for your local police through your negligence - leaving your car unlocked; then you should be expected to pay your fair share of the officer's hours invested in the pursuit of the criminal you "aided" in his crime - a crime that would not have occurred had you done your part to secure your property.
By leaving your property easily "available" to a criminal, you are encouraging crime. To feel that your local police have to come along behind you and clean up your mess is a little irresponsible to your neighbors who at least make an effort to prevent criminal activity by locking their cars. Why should they pay higher taxes for police services when YOU are the one who is contributing to the problem? If you are going to contribute to the commission of auto burglary or theft, shouldn't you have to pay a bit extra? After all, it's only fair . . . consider it a "use" tax for the services of your local police.
I'm no fan of big government, but I'm for individual responsibility. I believe the latter applies in this case.
Ever seen anyone that had their window broken and stuff stolen out of their car? Of course; who hasn't? Should this person be fined for not having shatter-proof glass to keep their stuff from getting stolen? It's the same principle. Regardless of how you enter another person's vehicle, be it a rock through a window or a door handle; we all know that locks are only there to keep honest people honest, criminals are going to get into your stuff and take it if they really want to.
I'm all for personal responsibility too, but that's why it's personal, no one should be telling me how to take care of my stuff; and least of all, charging me money when I don't take care of it to their standards. If I wanted a nanny, I'd move to somewhere that had a HOA.
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couple different ways to look at this...
1) petty theft - criminal wanting to make a quick buck by stealing your stuff - we deal with this quite a bit on the island I live on - our solution - leave the doors unlocked and no valuables in the vehicle - they'll break a window, but won't worry with things like stereos and such
2) grand theft - criminal wanting to steal a whole car - locking the doors doesn't do any good at all here, and if someone wants to steal your car, the difference of the doors being locked or not will matter very little...
IMO, leave the valuables out of the car, and you may even be better off leaving it unlocked, so no one has to break a window to check out how little you left in the car... Again, it works for us here on the island, but, ymmv everywhere else in the world...
1) petty theft - criminal wanting to make a quick buck by stealing your stuff - we deal with this quite a bit on the island I live on - our solution - leave the doors unlocked and no valuables in the vehicle - they'll break a window, but won't worry with things like stereos and such
2) grand theft - criminal wanting to steal a whole car - locking the doors doesn't do any good at all here, and if someone wants to steal your car, the difference of the doors being locked or not will matter very little...
IMO, leave the valuables out of the car, and you may even be better off leaving it unlocked, so no one has to break a window to check out how little you left in the car... Again, it works for us here on the island, but, ymmv everywhere else in the world...
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Think of it like this: Just as you pay a fee for repeated false alarms on your home security system that bring out the cops to investigate the cause of the alarm, shouldn't you be charged a service fee for leaving your car unlocked? If you fail to lock your car, you might be considered an accessory to auto burglary or theft.
If nothing else, you are making additional work for your local police through your negligence - leaving your car unlocked; then you should be expected to pay your fair share of the officer's hours invested in the pursuit of the criminal you "aided" in his crime - a crime that would not have occurred had you done your part to secure your property.
Why should they pay higher taxes for police services when YOU are the one who is contributing to the problem? If you are going to contribute to the commission of auto burglary or theft, shouldn't you have to pay a bit extra? After all, it's only fair . . . consider it a "use" tax for the services of your local police.
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Think of it like this: Just as you pay a fee for repeated false alarms on your home security system that bring out the cops to investigate the cause of the alarm, shouldn't you be charged a service fee for leaving your car unlocked? If you fail to lock your car, you might be considered an accessory to auto burglary or theft.
If nothing else, you are making additional work for your local police through your negligence - leaving your car unlocked; then you should be expected to pay your fair share of the officer's hours invested in the pursuit of the criminal you "aided" in his crime - a crime that would not have occurred had you done your part to secure your property.
By leaving your property easily "available" to a criminal, you are encouraging crime. To feel that your local police have to come along behind you and clean up your mess is a little irresponsible to your neighbors who at least make an effort to prevent criminal activity by locking their cars. Why should they pay higher taxes for police services when YOU are the one who is contributing to the problem? If you are going to contribute to the commission of auto burglary or theft, shouldn't you have to pay a bit extra? After all, it's only fair . . . consider it a "use" tax for the services of your local police.
I'm no fan of big government, but I'm for individual responsibility. I believe the latter applies in this case.
If nothing else, you are making additional work for your local police through your negligence - leaving your car unlocked; then you should be expected to pay your fair share of the officer's hours invested in the pursuit of the criminal you "aided" in his crime - a crime that would not have occurred had you done your part to secure your property.
By leaving your property easily "available" to a criminal, you are encouraging crime. To feel that your local police have to come along behind you and clean up your mess is a little irresponsible to your neighbors who at least make an effort to prevent criminal activity by locking their cars. Why should they pay higher taxes for police services when YOU are the one who is contributing to the problem? If you are going to contribute to the commission of auto burglary or theft, shouldn't you have to pay a bit extra? After all, it's only fair . . . consider it a "use" tax for the services of your local police.
I'm no fan of big government, but I'm for individual responsibility. I believe the latter applies in this case.
You are mixing apples and oranges.
You are charged this service fee for a "false" alarm. So, if your house was actually robbed, and there was no false alarm, then no service fee. It's like if your car alarm went off, the neighbors called the cops, but it was a false alarm.
And--if they were only going to charge you the fine when you report a loss--well then, ok, I guess. But they are going to do "random" spot checks. Should they also randomly check your front door to see if it's locked?
Seriously, where does it end? What if your patio furniture is stolen--should you have locked it down?
I remember living in Queens NY years ago in school, where many classmates purposely left their cars unlocked. They'd leave nothing in the car, and would rather someone just open the door and find out for themselves, instead of smashing the window, only to have nothing to take.
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When you leave your car, even in your own driveway, you have to make a value decision: do I lock my car and establish at least ONE stumbling block to theft, or is my time so valuable that I can't afford to push that button on my key - or even push the door lock before closing the door . . . OR do I want to take the risk that someone might open the door and remove my laptop, CD's, phone, or anything else of value - including the car itself?.
It would seem that any thinking person would opt for door #1 here, and LOCK the car. OK, it's not much of a deterrent to a determined thief, but a locked door might send him to the next car on the lot - that isn't locked. It's like the story of the two hunters who encounter a bear on the trail. One says "A bear can run up to 40 mph, do you think you can outrun him?" To which his buddy says, "I don't have to outrun him, I only have to outrun YOU!" You might not be absolutely safe, but you can make yourself a less attractive target.
I've had two SUVs broken into, and one van's door lock jimmied. All were locked up tight, but it was the presence of easily cash-convertible tools and tapes that invited the burglars break in. In the first case, the fault was totally mine - the second occurred when I loaned a new truck to a friend to tow a horse trailer across the state. She loaded enough tack and feed inside, the burglar broke in to retrieve it, and seeing his prize, attempted to steal the whole thing . . . he was unsuccessful thanks to an ignition interlock, and the only damage was a broken window.
The van was another case, where local smugglers prized the dilapidated old beater so much, some tried to BUY it (for a few hundred dollars) two months before trying to steal it. In that case, the solution was to paint and restore it so that it was no longer attractive to people seeking anonymity. While peeling dark blue chalky paint and a lot of rust may have looked macho, the shiny baby blue wasn't really their cup of tequila. No sale.
Police are there to help prevent property crime, but you have to do your part too. Lock your car. To do otherwise is completely indefensible. Leave it in a well-lit area where visibility is good all around it (my mistake on my first break-in). Never leave your car in a blind parking space that affords cover to a thief (mistake made by my friend who backed it into her 3-sided carport), or assume that your vehicle is worth so little that you can ignore common sense, even if you DO lock it up. Everything is worth something to somebody. Burglars, joy-riders, and crackheads aren't rocket scientists.
Alarms are practically useless - because so many sound false alarms, most people won't give a wailing siren a second glance. Remote alarms only invite you to the scene of the crime where your chance being mugged for the keys (or possibly shot - if the thief has social issues) is much greater. You can't expect criminals to be rational.
When parking in an unfamiliar place, particularly after dark, the old van now sports a battery disconnect switch under the hood that will totally disable the electrical system except for the minimal current required to maintain chip memory, and of course the interior lights so you can get to the hood release. If someone wants it badly enough, he's going to have to tow it.
It would seem that any thinking person would opt for door #1 here, and LOCK the car. OK, it's not much of a deterrent to a determined thief, but a locked door might send him to the next car on the lot - that isn't locked. It's like the story of the two hunters who encounter a bear on the trail. One says "A bear can run up to 40 mph, do you think you can outrun him?" To which his buddy says, "I don't have to outrun him, I only have to outrun YOU!" You might not be absolutely safe, but you can make yourself a less attractive target.
I've had two SUVs broken into, and one van's door lock jimmied. All were locked up tight, but it was the presence of easily cash-convertible tools and tapes that invited the burglars break in. In the first case, the fault was totally mine - the second occurred when I loaned a new truck to a friend to tow a horse trailer across the state. She loaded enough tack and feed inside, the burglar broke in to retrieve it, and seeing his prize, attempted to steal the whole thing . . . he was unsuccessful thanks to an ignition interlock, and the only damage was a broken window.
The van was another case, where local smugglers prized the dilapidated old beater so much, some tried to BUY it (for a few hundred dollars) two months before trying to steal it. In that case, the solution was to paint and restore it so that it was no longer attractive to people seeking anonymity. While peeling dark blue chalky paint and a lot of rust may have looked macho, the shiny baby blue wasn't really their cup of tequila. No sale.
Police are there to help prevent property crime, but you have to do your part too. Lock your car. To do otherwise is completely indefensible. Leave it in a well-lit area where visibility is good all around it (my mistake on my first break-in). Never leave your car in a blind parking space that affords cover to a thief (mistake made by my friend who backed it into her 3-sided carport), or assume that your vehicle is worth so little that you can ignore common sense, even if you DO lock it up. Everything is worth something to somebody. Burglars, joy-riders, and crackheads aren't rocket scientists.
Alarms are practically useless - because so many sound false alarms, most people won't give a wailing siren a second glance. Remote alarms only invite you to the scene of the crime where your chance being mugged for the keys (or possibly shot - if the thief has social issues) is much greater. You can't expect criminals to be rational.
When parking in an unfamiliar place, particularly after dark, the old van now sports a battery disconnect switch under the hood that will totally disable the electrical system except for the minimal current required to maintain chip memory, and of course the interior lights so you can get to the hood release. If someone wants it badly enough, he's going to have to tow it.
Last edited by Lil4X; 10-18-10 at 08:29 AM.
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When you leave your car, even in your own driveway, you have to make a value decision: do I lock my car and establish at least ONE stumbling block to theft, or is my time so valuable that I can't afford to push that button on my key - or even push the door lock before closing the door . . . OR do I want to take the risk that someone might open the door and remove my laptop, CD's, phone, or anything else of value - including the car itself?.
I also do not subscribe to the thought that a car is a safe place for anything of any value. If you can't afford to lose it, IMO, you shouldn't leave it in your car, period.
As far as theft of the actual car, thieves don't go trying car doors at random seeing if they are open or not. They pick a car or two, try that one, and if its locked, they smash the window. Only rookie thieves will go through a parking lot grabbing door handles - just one with a sensitive alarm will attract enough attention to them to have to find another parking lot altogether... Yes, thieves don't like car alarms. No, it doesn't stop them. If its your car they want, they will take it, unless you really have something in their way to prevent it (hidden fuel pump switch, battery disconnect, etc).
Seriously, I am much safer leaving my car doors unlocked here, versus locking them...
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Money. It's a lot cheaper to pay someone to ticket cars for not taking proper precautions from theft than it is to investigate theft that could be prevented. Also factor in time. Where would you rather have an officer's time allocated?
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As to your question about where I would like an officer's time allocated, how about where the crime in his area is happening? Perhaps if jackass Nestel would assign his officers to the area to patrol, he wouldn't have to worry about this crime anymore. But, of course, it's better to point the finger at those who should have rights than those who infringe on those rights. What a buffoon.
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