Do you HAVE to pay an out-of-state speeding ticket?
06-01-10, 09:49 AM
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Do you HAVE to pay an out-of-state speeding ticket?
An interesting article on out-of-state speeding tickets and the consequences of not paying them.
http://autos.aol.com/article/out-of-...eeding-ticket/
If you get a speeding ticket while traveling, does it stay on your record back in your home state?
We receive this question from friends and family (and readers) all the time, so we looked into how the tangled web is organized.
When it comes to how a ticket in your home state affects your driver's license status in another state, the answer is complex and changing each year. If you want to know how much information follows you around, the quick answer is: yes it does, so watch your speed. Your unpaid speeding ticket in California, for example, will prevent you from being able to renew your Ohio driver's license.
The more complete answer is that different information follows you different places in different ways.
Here's how it works: There are three major databases that keep track of your driver's license info: the National Driver Register (NDR, also referred to as the Problem Driver Pointer System (PDPS)), the Driver License Compact (DLC) and the Non-Resident Violator Compact (NRVC). None of these names sound like places at which you'd want to sit down and have dinner, do they?
The NDR: Don't Show Up On This List
The NDR is a creation of The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), which launched ten years ago. The FMCSA's "primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries," part of which it attempts to do by keeping track of infamous drivers, and although its name suggest commercial license holders -- like truck drivers -- it's more than that. It keeps a look out on regular car drivers as well.
The National Driver Register keeps tabs on "drivers who have had their licenses revoked or suspended, or who have been convicted of serious traffic violations such as driving while impaired by alcohol or drugs." Every state and the District of Columbia submits information to the NDR and they are obligated to check the NDR before granting any license privileges. Your name being on the NDR doesn't hinder your getting a license, it is merely a way of keeping track of your violations. However, if your license has been suspended, revoked, or otherwise cancelled, or you've been reported as a problem driver in any state, there's a very good chance your license application will get a red "Denied" stamped across it.
Here's an example of how the NDR works. Say your home state is Pennsylvania, and you have a driver's license there. The PA department of transportation will check the National Driver Register three and six months before you are up for renewal, and if it finds an issue in another state, such as a DUI in Florida that has not been attended to, they'll let you know.
You would then need to resolve the issue in Florida before you could renew your license in your home state. You are still legally allowed to drive in Pennsylvania as long as your PA license is valid - you simply can't get a new license. So, the time would be ticking.
If you are in the NDR, your record will consist of your name, gender, date of birth, license number, and the name of the state that reported you.
Anything more detailed, like a specific violation reported or information on a suspension or conviction, is not included (the reporting state holds on to that).
Various bodies can access the information, like a company that employs drivers or one that hires pilots, but the amount of information they receive might differ. An employer of drivers is notified of anything reported to the NDR in the past three years, while an airline is notified of any record from the past five years.
You have a right to find out if you're listed in the NDR, and you can get a copy of any NDR file sent to a potential employer. This can be handy, especially for commercial drivers, because if your home state doesn't take the necessary steps, you could be pulled over and stripped of your CDL in another state. Your state's license issuer will have the guidelines and forms to request that information, or you can call the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) directly at 202-366-4800 for more info.
The DLC and NRVC: How States Know Where You've Been
The way tickets themselves actually follow you are results of the Driver License Compact and the Non-Resident Violator Compact. They are agreements between some states, but both will soon get replaced by the Driver License Agreement.
All three of those items are products of the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, which is "a tax-exempt, nonprofit organization developing model programs in motor vehicle administration, law enforcement and highway safety." Think of it as a treaty organization for state bodies that deal with licensing and motor vehicle laws, with the aim of making laws, and especially punishments, more uniform across state lines.
Yet, while the AAMVA can form policy on issues such as tinted windows and laws against radar and laser detectors, it is up to an individual state to ratify and join any provision. Having been around since 1933, the body's goal now is "one driver, one license, one record."
Unlike the NDR, which merely notifies a state to tell you to address a problem elsewhere, the DLC effectively makes a violation in another state the equivalent of a violation in your home state.
To go back to the Pennsylvania and Florida example, if you get a ticket in Florida, the Pennsylvania DOT will assess points to your PA license. If your driving privileges are suspended in Florida, then Pennsylvania will suspend your license. The NDR only requires Pennsylvania to hold back your driving rights until you address the matter in Florida, whereas the DLC makes you pay the price for your violations in Florida no matter where you are.
The NRVC works in the same manner, but in being less onerous, it resides somewhere between the DLC and NDR. If you get a ticket in another state and don't pay it, your home state will suspend your license until you handle the issue in the other state. However, your home state will not issue points and penalties on your license, as is the case with the DLC. On the other hand, if your home state isn't a member of the NRVC and you get pulled over somewhere else, you might be forced immediately to post bond before you can drive again.
Naturally, this being a voluntary treaty organization, there are loopholes.
Not all states are members of the DLC or NVRC: Georgia, Wisconsin, Tennessee and Massachusetts aren't members of the DLC.
Wisconsin, California, Montana, Oregon, and Alaska are not a part of the NVRC. Michigan is not a member of either compact, but it does exchange information and will take action if it wishes.
How the states process violations and which violations they take into consideration also differ: some only use it for what they consider serious offenses, some have further requirements for taking action.
For instance, Kansas, Wyoming, Minnesota, Arizona, Iowa, and South Dakota won't record speeding tickets from other states unless they're ten miles per hour or more over the limit. And, most importantly, violations can only be "shared" if both states have the same violation to begin with. Get pulled over for an offense in Florida that Pennsylvania hasn't outlawed, and there's no action taken by Pennsylvania.
The DLA: The Future (And Why You Should Be Careful Going Forward)
Closing loopholes is where the Driver License Agreement comes in, and it's done with a bit of an iron fist. Any state becoming a party to the DLA submits to the fact that DLA regulations supercede any state law contrary to it. The DLA requires states to take action even if the home state doesn't have the same statute under which you were ticketed.
Say you get cited for careless driving in Colorado but your home state has no such violation; in that case, your home state will look for the closest comparable citation it could issue, such as reckless driving, and assess points and penalties based on that. And the AAMVA is working to expand the DLA internationally, not only to Canada and Mexico but to Europe, Australia, and Africa as well. In the future, when you're caught speeding to the airport in Namibia, you'll have a hell of a time trying to renew your license in Pennsylvania.
Finally, the DLA requires all member states to make all information available to member and non-member states, and that will include information like Social Security numbers.
The DLA is in its early stages - at the moment only three states are members (Connecticut, Arkansas and Massachusetts). But there are political machines in other states lobbying to join, and it has to be looked at as inevitable that the DLA will one day come into severe force in a greater part of the nation...if not the world.
No, it won't mean the end of the world, and on the bright side it will mean a closer end to really bad drivers maintaining their privileges. But the long arm of the law -- and increasingly its keen eye -- will be watching even those who amass parking tickets, not just the moving violators.
Perhaps Wez, from Mad Max: The Road Warrior, said it best: "You can run, but you can't hide."
Watch your speed while in these fast cars.
Chevy Camaro
Dodge Challenger
BMW 3-Series
Chevy Corvette
Mitsubishi Eclipse
BMW M3
BMW M5
Dodge Charger
Mazda MX-5 Miata
Dodge Viper
Lexus ISC
BMW 1-Series
http://autos.aol.com/article/out-of-...eeding-ticket/
If you get a speeding ticket while traveling, does it stay on your record back in your home state?
We receive this question from friends and family (and readers) all the time, so we looked into how the tangled web is organized.
When it comes to how a ticket in your home state affects your driver's license status in another state, the answer is complex and changing each year. If you want to know how much information follows you around, the quick answer is: yes it does, so watch your speed. Your unpaid speeding ticket in California, for example, will prevent you from being able to renew your Ohio driver's license.
The more complete answer is that different information follows you different places in different ways.
Here's how it works: There are three major databases that keep track of your driver's license info: the National Driver Register (NDR, also referred to as the Problem Driver Pointer System (PDPS)), the Driver License Compact (DLC) and the Non-Resident Violator Compact (NRVC). None of these names sound like places at which you'd want to sit down and have dinner, do they?
The NDR: Don't Show Up On This List
The NDR is a creation of The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), which launched ten years ago. The FMCSA's "primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries," part of which it attempts to do by keeping track of infamous drivers, and although its name suggest commercial license holders -- like truck drivers -- it's more than that. It keeps a look out on regular car drivers as well.
The National Driver Register keeps tabs on "drivers who have had their licenses revoked or suspended, or who have been convicted of serious traffic violations such as driving while impaired by alcohol or drugs." Every state and the District of Columbia submits information to the NDR and they are obligated to check the NDR before granting any license privileges. Your name being on the NDR doesn't hinder your getting a license, it is merely a way of keeping track of your violations. However, if your license has been suspended, revoked, or otherwise cancelled, or you've been reported as a problem driver in any state, there's a very good chance your license application will get a red "Denied" stamped across it.
Here's an example of how the NDR works. Say your home state is Pennsylvania, and you have a driver's license there. The PA department of transportation will check the National Driver Register three and six months before you are up for renewal, and if it finds an issue in another state, such as a DUI in Florida that has not been attended to, they'll let you know.
You would then need to resolve the issue in Florida before you could renew your license in your home state. You are still legally allowed to drive in Pennsylvania as long as your PA license is valid - you simply can't get a new license. So, the time would be ticking.
If you are in the NDR, your record will consist of your name, gender, date of birth, license number, and the name of the state that reported you.
Anything more detailed, like a specific violation reported or information on a suspension or conviction, is not included (the reporting state holds on to that).
Various bodies can access the information, like a company that employs drivers or one that hires pilots, but the amount of information they receive might differ. An employer of drivers is notified of anything reported to the NDR in the past three years, while an airline is notified of any record from the past five years.
You have a right to find out if you're listed in the NDR, and you can get a copy of any NDR file sent to a potential employer. This can be handy, especially for commercial drivers, because if your home state doesn't take the necessary steps, you could be pulled over and stripped of your CDL in another state. Your state's license issuer will have the guidelines and forms to request that information, or you can call the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) directly at 202-366-4800 for more info.
The DLC and NRVC: How States Know Where You've Been
The way tickets themselves actually follow you are results of the Driver License Compact and the Non-Resident Violator Compact. They are agreements between some states, but both will soon get replaced by the Driver License Agreement.
All three of those items are products of the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, which is "a tax-exempt, nonprofit organization developing model programs in motor vehicle administration, law enforcement and highway safety." Think of it as a treaty organization for state bodies that deal with licensing and motor vehicle laws, with the aim of making laws, and especially punishments, more uniform across state lines.
Yet, while the AAMVA can form policy on issues such as tinted windows and laws against radar and laser detectors, it is up to an individual state to ratify and join any provision. Having been around since 1933, the body's goal now is "one driver, one license, one record."
Unlike the NDR, which merely notifies a state to tell you to address a problem elsewhere, the DLC effectively makes a violation in another state the equivalent of a violation in your home state.
To go back to the Pennsylvania and Florida example, if you get a ticket in Florida, the Pennsylvania DOT will assess points to your PA license. If your driving privileges are suspended in Florida, then Pennsylvania will suspend your license. The NDR only requires Pennsylvania to hold back your driving rights until you address the matter in Florida, whereas the DLC makes you pay the price for your violations in Florida no matter where you are.
The NRVC works in the same manner, but in being less onerous, it resides somewhere between the DLC and NDR. If you get a ticket in another state and don't pay it, your home state will suspend your license until you handle the issue in the other state. However, your home state will not issue points and penalties on your license, as is the case with the DLC. On the other hand, if your home state isn't a member of the NRVC and you get pulled over somewhere else, you might be forced immediately to post bond before you can drive again.
Naturally, this being a voluntary treaty organization, there are loopholes.
Not all states are members of the DLC or NVRC: Georgia, Wisconsin, Tennessee and Massachusetts aren't members of the DLC.
Wisconsin, California, Montana, Oregon, and Alaska are not a part of the NVRC. Michigan is not a member of either compact, but it does exchange information and will take action if it wishes.
How the states process violations and which violations they take into consideration also differ: some only use it for what they consider serious offenses, some have further requirements for taking action.
For instance, Kansas, Wyoming, Minnesota, Arizona, Iowa, and South Dakota won't record speeding tickets from other states unless they're ten miles per hour or more over the limit. And, most importantly, violations can only be "shared" if both states have the same violation to begin with. Get pulled over for an offense in Florida that Pennsylvania hasn't outlawed, and there's no action taken by Pennsylvania.
The DLA: The Future (And Why You Should Be Careful Going Forward)
Closing loopholes is where the Driver License Agreement comes in, and it's done with a bit of an iron fist. Any state becoming a party to the DLA submits to the fact that DLA regulations supercede any state law contrary to it. The DLA requires states to take action even if the home state doesn't have the same statute under which you were ticketed.
Say you get cited for careless driving in Colorado but your home state has no such violation; in that case, your home state will look for the closest comparable citation it could issue, such as reckless driving, and assess points and penalties based on that. And the AAMVA is working to expand the DLA internationally, not only to Canada and Mexico but to Europe, Australia, and Africa as well. In the future, when you're caught speeding to the airport in Namibia, you'll have a hell of a time trying to renew your license in Pennsylvania.
Finally, the DLA requires all member states to make all information available to member and non-member states, and that will include information like Social Security numbers.
The DLA is in its early stages - at the moment only three states are members (Connecticut, Arkansas and Massachusetts). But there are political machines in other states lobbying to join, and it has to be looked at as inevitable that the DLA will one day come into severe force in a greater part of the nation...if not the world.
No, it won't mean the end of the world, and on the bright side it will mean a closer end to really bad drivers maintaining their privileges. But the long arm of the law -- and increasingly its keen eye -- will be watching even those who amass parking tickets, not just the moving violators.
Perhaps Wez, from Mad Max: The Road Warrior, said it best: "You can run, but you can't hide."
Watch your speed while in these fast cars.
Chevy Camaro
Dodge Challenger
BMW 3-Series
Chevy Corvette
Mitsubishi Eclipse
BMW M3
BMW M5
Dodge Charger
Mazda MX-5 Miata
Dodge Viper
Lexus ISC
BMW 1-Series
06-01-10, 12:35 PM
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most times that my family has been pulled over out-of-state, the officer/sheriff/somebody seems to just pull a random arbitrary number to issue as a fine--and then we're on our way again post-payment.
06-01-10, 02:39 PM
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my brother got a photo ticket taken of him when he was visiting a few months ago and never received anything. I think its different if its a traditional citation. Not 100% sure
06-01-10, 05:55 PM
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Both myself and my brother have gotten out of state speeding tickets, my brother in GA, he was on a back road looking for the Mutant X Academy
came out to be like a 90 dollar ticket, and myself in Virginia, 84 dropped to an 80 in a 65, so it was only speeding, and a vehicle infraction which was a 30 dollar tint ticket, total was 200, the cop saw NY plates and that was all.Taken off the NYS DMV site, The NYSDMV does not record out-of-state violations committed by NYS drivers in other jurisdictions. The exceptions are alcohol-related violations, drug-related violations, and moving violations committed in Quebec or Ontario. Under special agreements, traffic convictions in Quebec or Ontario are recorded on NYS driver license records and carry points. Except for violations in Ontario and Quebec, points are not added to your NYS record for out-of-state violations.
The canada thing always makes me laugh
06-01-10, 10:48 PM
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Not all states have adopted the practice of record sharing/accountability between the states YET; but don't worry it is fast coming. As far as if you have to pay an out of state tic or not,,right now there is no CORRECT answer other than to say how lucky do you feel? Are you ABSOLUTELY SURE that YOUR state is not a record sharing state? It may not show up at all in your home state, but what happens when you FUHGEDDABOUTIT, and travel thru that state again, and get puled over. Guess what, your license to drive in THAT state, most likely, has been suspended, and now you are caught driving on suspended priveledges in THAT STATE (and yes this WILL stick in court,,happened to me). Back when I first was inquiring to apply for my CDL, my record was clean(not even a parking ticket), but I DID have a ticket in Va awhile ago, when I was doing local home delivery, that I had completely forgotten about and subsequently never paid. It never showed up in my homestate database(MD), however with a CDL I have to go thru a national database as well to make sure my driving privledges are not suspended ANYWHERE in the country and this is where it showed(for me). I actually had to call the Va courts to have them look the tic up, pay the fines associated with it, pay to have my privledges re-appointed in the state of VA., and then have them send me a letter stating the matter had been cleared(employment reasons). The courts in Va had actually told me that had I gotten pulled over in Va, under a suspended license in THEIR jurisdiction(entire state) that it would have been pretty bad for me.
Bottom line,, it IS possible to have your license suspended in an individual state, and never even know it or be informed of it; especially if your homestate is not one who shares cross jurisdiction record sharing/accountability. Honestly, is it worth it to find out by "surprise" that your license is suspended in a "foreign" state all b/c you forgot to pay a ticket you got there awhile ago and now you have bigger consequences to face other than why you initially got stopped. Best advice,,fight those tickets that need to be fought,,pay those that need to be paid or that you lost judgement over in court. Your stress factor will be ALOT less this way.
Bottom line,, it IS possible to have your license suspended in an individual state, and never even know it or be informed of it; especially if your homestate is not one who shares cross jurisdiction record sharing/accountability. Honestly, is it worth it to find out by "surprise" that your license is suspended in a "foreign" state all b/c you forgot to pay a ticket you got there awhile ago and now you have bigger consequences to face other than why you initially got stopped. Best advice,,fight those tickets that need to be fought,,pay those that need to be paid or that you lost judgement over in court. Your stress factor will be ALOT less this way.
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06-04-10, 11:01 PM
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In Mass I got a bunch of toll violations, got the tickets mailed to my home in California.
Mass and Cali have no sharing agreement whatsoever, about the only non-reciprocating states out of all the agreements out there.
I still paid it, not because I care about my driving record in Mass which I will never go back to (Boston is NO San Diego!), but because I DO care about my credit report!
Mass and Cali have no sharing agreement whatsoever, about the only non-reciprocating states out of all the agreements out there.
I still paid it, not because I care about my driving record in Mass which I will never go back to (Boston is NO San Diego!), but because I DO care about my credit report!
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