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Old 05-18-10, 06:28 AM
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DETROIT — If your credit isn't good, General Motors Co. still wants to sell you a car.

The problem is, it can't. At least not in big numbers. That's why the automaker wants more control over its lending again.

GM's top North American executive Mark Reuss, under pressure to quickly sell more cars and boost GM's value as it gets ready to sell stock to the public, said a shortage of subprime lending is holding back sales in the U.S.

But the automaker's main lender, Ally Financial Inc., has little appetite for risky loans, having spent the last few years cleaning up its own financial mess caused mainly by its failing mortgage lending business. Both companies are majority-owned by the U.S. government.

For decades, GM owned Ally, writing its own loans through the so-called captive finance arm. Nearly every automaker makes loans in such a fashion. But a cash-starved GM sold most of Ally – formerly known as GMAC – in 2006.

GM and Ally now have a loose partnership that gives Ally control over who gets a car loan. If GM returned to auto lending – either through buying Ally's auto business or starting its own in-house lending unit – it could set lending standards itself. That could benefit the automaker by allowing it to extend loans to people with weaker credit and to more lease customers.

"There's a real sense of urgency on GM's part to maximize its sales" as it gets closer to the stock offering, said Kirk Ludtke, senior vice president of CRT Capital Group in Stamford, Conn.

Subprime buyers make up a significant portion of the car buying market. About 16 percent of all new-vehicle loans written in the fourth quarter of 2009 were to customers with below prime credit, according to credit agency Experian. That means they went to customers with credit scores below 620 on a 300-to-850-point scale.

Reuss, president of GM North America, would not say outright if the automaker was looking to set up its own financing operation. But he said last week that one need only to look at auto loan data to find plenty of good reasons for GM to have control of its own financing.
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For example, Honda Motor Co. gets 20 percent of its sales and leases from subprime buyers, he said. GM, on the other hand, gets only 1 percent because it can't access the money to loan to those customers.

"They're able to finance their cars at a much lower level than we are," Reuss said. "I'm not sure what the answer is. But it would sure help my sales, the company's sales in North America, if we were able to get access."

During the recession, lending to subprime customers tumbled as the credit markets froze and delinquencies spiked. Leasing also ground to a halt as the resale values of cars plunged.

Ally has been less than eager to resume lending to risky customers. After GM sold a majority stake in Ally, the lender became heavily involved in the subprime mortgage boom, a move that nearly bankrupted the company when the housing market collapsed. Ultimately, the federal government has spent $16.3 billion to bail out the lender, leaving taxpayers with a 56 percent stake in the former GMAC.

Ally has spent the last year trying to clean up its mess, diversifying its customer base beyond just GM buyers, launching a highly profitable online banking service and working to sell what remains of its mortgage lending business. Earlier in May, the company posted its first quarterly profit in more than a year and rebranded itself as Ally.

Subprime lending for cars is generally considered less risky than mortgages. During the recession, borrowers didn't default on car loans as much as they did on homes because the value of cars never became overinflated. Also, if a car buyer defaults, the lender can quickly repossess the vehicle and resell it, recouping at least part of the lender's investment.

Ally would appear to have little to gain, though, from selling its auto lending operation, by far its most profitable line of business. Writing auto loans made Ally $846 million in pretax profit in the first quarter – the division's fifth straight quarterly profit – up 28 percent from a year earlier.

Competition from a new GM-owned lender also would be tough. In the first quarter, Ally wrote 34 percent of all loans to GM buyers, a figure that has been rising over the last year. It handled 88 percent of the loans that finance GM dealers' inventory.

An additional complication comes from Chrysler Group LLC, which also depends on Ally for loans. CEO Sergio Marchionne told reporters Thursday that Chrysler could be at a disadvantage if GM buys back part of Ally. "If they control the lending practices and the degree of penetration and support that they gave to Chrysler, that would make us very, very concerned," he said.

In the end, any decision is likely to be influenced by the Treasury Department, which designated Ally the preferred lender for Chrysler as well as GM – and owns big stakes in all three after bailing them out last year.

Ally, for its part, issued a statement last week saying the company is committed to staying in the auto lending business. Ally spokeswoman Gina Proia declined to comment on whether the lender has faced pressure from GM to make more subprime loans or leases. However, she said that as the economy has improved, Ally has been opening its pockets to more customers.

For example, 12 percent of all auto loans that Ally wrote in the first quarter were leases, up from 4 percent in the fourth quarter and virtually zero last year, she said.

"As the financial crisis has eased and as the credit markets come back we have been able to broaden our offerings and look at the credit spectrum more broadly," Proia said. The company does not disclose the percentage of loans it makes to subprime customers, she said.

GM's Reuss said Ally has been a good partner and has given the automaker everything it has asked for – including a recent 24-month lease deal. Ally also has been helpful in targeting competitors or regions with loans.

He said GM hasn't asked Ally about expanding subprime lending, and he said the two companies might be able to work out a deal.

"They do a good job. But clearly there's some opportunities there, too," he said.
 
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some people (GM) still don't understand the whole fundamental problem of the economy -- and the collapse...
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But the automaker's main lender, Ally Financial Inc., has little appetite for risky loans, having spent the last few years cleaning up its own financial mess caused mainly by its failing mortgage lending business.
One sure-fire way to lessen credit/loan risk is to simply lower vehicle prices.....obviously, the less one has to finance on the car, the less-risky the loan, and the less the company loses out if the loan is defaulted and/or if the car is reposessed. But, of course, there, the company would end up getting squeezed on both sizes.....dropping vehicle prices would mean fewer defaulted loans, but could impact on the company's new-found productivity, and the need to pay back money to its creditors that is still owed. So, in that sense, GM doesn't want to be too much of a credit risk itself........never mind the customers.
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Originally Posted by rominl
some people (GM) still don't understand the whole fundamental problem of the economy -- and the collapse...
No kidding, same old crap mentality at GM on the lending side. Another questionable aspect of the business model.
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Originally Posted by rominl
some people (GM) still don't understand the whole fundamental problem of the economy -- and the collapse...
I don't think anyone completely understands it....and I would be skeptical of anyone who says he or she does. It was a complex, widespread problem caused by complex, widespread conditions. But, complex as it was, GM's own leadership (like that of many other American companies), over the years, did not help by simply sending so many many of our well-paying manufacturing jobs overseas. That left many American workers with less-secure jobs, less money to spend (forcing them to borrow more), and the more likelihood of default on car loans and mortgages.
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I thought GM was complaining because they couldn't keep enough Equinoxes, Terrains, LaCrosses, SRXs, etc on lots...?
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Well I am going to make an assumption that there is a growing market here since Hyundai/Kia have moved up and no longer cater to this market. They were notorious for being cars for people with awful credit but today things are different.

I'm all for giving someone a second chance and if they pay on time they can re-fi at a lower interest rate in the future.
 
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I don't think anyone completely understands it....and I would be skeptical of anyone who says he or she does. It was a complex, widespread problem caused by complex, widespread conditions. But, complex as it was, GM's own leadership (like that of many other American companies), over the years, did not help by simply sending so many many of our well-paying manufacturing jobs overseas. That left many American workers with less-secure jobs, less money to spend (forcing them to borrow more), and the more likelihood of default on car loans and mortgages.
it can be very complex and complicated, but i think the message is very simple. if one can see how the economy collapsed the past 2 years, all the sub-prime crap and loans and what not, then it's not hard to understand the simple truth -- buy what you can afford
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Originally Posted by rominl
it can be very complex and complicated, but i think the message is very simple. if one can see how the economy collapsed the past 2 years, all the sub-prime crap and loans and what not, then it's not hard to understand the simple truth -- buy what you can afford
Poor credit does not mean one cannot afford, there is a lot of money to be made in sub-prime loans IF done right, what happened in the housing market was a whole other mess.
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Originally Posted by J.P.
Poor credit does not mean one cannot afford, there is a lot of money to be made in sub-prime loans IF done right, what happened in the housing market was a whole other mess.
but i think it's still somewhat related though, like how the poor credits come from, and it's high risk for a reason.
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Originally Posted by J.P.
Poor credit does not mean one cannot afford, there is a lot of money to be made in sub-prime loans IF done right, what happened in the housing market was a whole other mess.
yea you can make a ton of money off those people who finance for like 72 months. Its ridiculous
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Not to mention credit default swaps lol.....
 
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yea you can make a ton of money off those people who finance for like 72 months. Its ridiculous

72 months plus at higher rates, and for the most part we are talking about a non-perishable, recoverable asset

There is a place for subprime loans when everything is calculated correctly with the appropriate risk assessment, outside commercial loans people do this with land contract sales all the time for people that have poor credit but stable income, put 10k down and your eating 9%, small risk but a large reward

these loans will open back up again, everyone is just afraid right now
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Originally Posted by J.P.
72 months plus at higher rates, and for the most part we are talking about a non-perishable, recoverable asset

There is a place for subprime loans when everything is calculated correctly with the appropriate risk assessment, outside commercial loans people do this with land contract sales all the time for people that have poor credit but stable income, put 10k down and your eating 9%, small risk but a large reward

these loans will open back up again, everyone is just afraid right now
But it's a quickly depreciating asset, with the possibility of it being destroyed and not recovered. I'm not so sure 9% is high enough.

My friend's law firm represents a company that gives short term loans against owned vehicles. He told me, to my amazement, that the APR for these loans is near 100%.

Let's face it, these people should be buying cheap, used cars. GM should be pointing the finger at themselves for their problems.
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Yeah I think Subprime loans are like 18% or higher no? Usually in the 20% range.
 


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