G Star

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I see as many ISC's as I do F's here in sunny Southern California. We all know NYC is the most populated city in the US but people don't buy cars there as often as more widespread cities and there aren't enough days to enjoy a convertible there, Summer is barely here, that could be why you don't see very many.

G Star

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For somebody who prides himself in knowing as much as possible before making an argument, you've just back-stepped a whole lot.

GS3Tek

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yep.

Ice cube was trying to convince everyone that it in Three Kings

Sens4Miles

I'm always on the LIE and Grand Central Pkwy and I never ever see one. I frequently drive throughout Queens and Manhattan and like I said, I've seen exactly "1" on the road. I see tons of G37 coupes however, so at least in NYC, the IS-C is a complete failure. I see many IS250s, several IS350s, and even a few IS-Fs, but hardly any IS-Cs. I would love to know the sales figures of the IS-C vs. the IS-F. Something tells me that they're not too far away from each other in total units sold..

LexFather

So b/c you don't see the IS-C with your own eyes in NYC, it is a failure? What other cars are failures with this logic, or rather lack of it?

It isn't even a volume model, nor is the G37 C or 335 convert or A5 convert. They are not cars people will see everyday, especially in colder climates.

Also the G37/Infiniti is well known to be the "Jersey Shore" car/brand so their popularity is understandable there. Ironically the word begins with a G.

DASHOCKER

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I commute everyday to & from downtown Manhattan & Queens and the IS-C is sparce.. There are a number of 335c in the city.. Hell there will be a local meet @Rallye BMW (which I will be attending on 5/29) & good percentage are pushing 335c's.


Now back to the thread topic, I can't wait to see this big boy Infiniti M coupe & vert

Sens4Miles

Have you ever even been to NYC? Sorry, no where near the "jersey shore". Think long island, think hamptons, think money. I grew up on long island and I drive over 100 miles a day for work in and out of NYC, so I think I know what I'm talking about here. I can't go on any of the major highways without seeing a G37 coupe. I see many A5s on the road as well. I find it laughable that the assumption here is that there are just as many IS-Cs sold here as there are G37 coupes. Sure, they must all be undriven and parked in garages somewhere

I think you're missing my point, however. The point is that the IS-C is a complete failure in terms of sales. It is a tiny niche that no one asked for. So I will reiterate my point in that the IS-C was not the right product, because it does not sell. We're not talking exotic/rare territory here. The IS is the entry-level model from Lexus. Surely you're not suggesting that Lexus put out the IS-C to sell in the same numbers as the IS-F, are you?

LexFather

Lol, first I did drive the M56 and yes, I am from NY

You have absolutely NO FACTS to back up the IS-C is a failure, NONE. You are basing your "fact" on your "Eyes" and what you have seen. I am not going to argue with your opinion that "you think" the IS-C is a failure but I will argue you have nothing to back your opinion up at all. You are entitled to think the IS-C is a failure.

As a member stated we noticed IS sales have stayed solid even as it is one of the older cars now and it is possible the IS-C is helping. However without sales numbers being split we don't know the facts.

Nowhere have I or anyone stated the IS-C sells in the same amount as the G37 coupe, that would be ridiculous so not sure why you brought that "assumption" when NO ONE is assuming that. It is clear the G37, 335 coupe are dominant and now the A5 coupe is outselling the G37 coupe. It is a segment getting more crowded as the CTS coupe is coming.

I find it real funny you find the IS-C to be a failure and targeting a niche when Infiniti as a brand is pretty much a failure and a niche. I don't even know why we are talking about the IS-C?

I mean even the Infiniti forums know about the "jersey shore" Infiniti/G stereotype

PhilipMSPT

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Lexus' goal for the IS-C is about 14k units a year.

Folly, really. The whole IS line sold about 50k units for 2009 (which was a pretty bad year in general).

That means that almost 30% of their sales should be convertibles.

The ratio should be much smaller. Convertibles should be less than 10% of total sales of a model's line-up.

Is it a failure? Well, it didn't meet expectations. I think Lexus should have set their goal a little more conservatively. I would have guessed only half of those sales, like 7k IS-C a year. And I think Lexus is pulling that off, which is as good as the G37 convertible and the 3-Series convertible...

speedflex

Sooooo, Annnnyways. I think this M coupe is a good idea if only for the fact that the Germans seem to have a lock on the segment. I think it's time for an Asian maker to advance the pack and I think Infiniti is more than capable.

GiantsFan

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Failure? Not in the bay area.... Ive seen quite a few roaming the streets...

Sens4Miles

Oh, do you live here now? Could have sworn you were from Atlanta (nothing like NY)

And you have absolutely no facts to back up the IS-C being any kind of success, none. Since I live in the most populated region in the country, and I'm on the road daily in a mix of city/highway driving, I can only use my eyes as a way to judge the most frequently seen cars on the road. The IS-C isn't even on the radar.

Exactly, for all we know, Lexus sells 50 units/month of the IS-C. That being said, what is the best way to judge if the car is a success if we don't have sales figures? If you actually SEE IT on the road. I see tons of Maximas, ES350s, G37 coupes, A4s, A5s, etc. The IS-C is one of the least seen luxury cars on the road.

Since we're now discussing stereotypes, the IS250 has a few of their own, but I'll just leave it at that

Sens4Miles

Well, as 1SickLex has mentioned time and time again, reaching sales goals is much more important than actual total units sold. That is, after all, his basis for calling the new TL a complete FAIL. So that being the case, both the IS-C and HS250H are complete failures, because neither one are reaching sales goals.

Och

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Since you conveniently ignored the argument I brought up in my last post, let me try this again, with a little more detail. Here's some sales stats, right from this site:

May 2009: 2913 units of IS sold.
June 2009: 3465 units of IS sold. (first month IS-C went on sale)
July 2009: 4029 units of IS sold.

Clearly the IS-C boosted the overall IS sales by a good margin.

As far as you not seeing it on the road, maybe you should invest in a pair of glasses, because I live in the same city as you, and I see them fairly frequent. Not as frequent as the 3 series coupe/convertible - these are really dollar a bucket, but there's a good number of them out there, especially the past couple weekends, the weather was warm, and I saw quite a few with the top down.

Hypnotik

This sounds like a good idea. Hopefully they can offer a more usable trunk since the G coupe doesnt have much of one. A flagship isnt what infiniti needs. Expanding their current lineup by adding different variants makes more sense, which they are doing with the G25, and adding hybrids. If they did this whole m56 coupe, and it actually did well, then it wouldnt be too off to add a flagship in the future

But I do have to comment on the IS-C. I live in LA. I drive around hollywood, beverly hills, everywhere. I have seen a total of 3 IS-C's since its debut. But then again, I've only seen about 3 G convertibles. The IS-C is fugly and the G convertible doesnt have a usable trunk. Lexus doesnt split up its sales likely because it doesnt sell. I have nothing to back this up but you can tell what sells and what doesnt living in LA