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Old 02-01-10, 10:55 PM
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Default Road & Track Special Feature: Hybrids: Perception vs. Reality - Two Part Series

First part: http://www.roadandtrack.com/special_...hybrid-reality

Second part: http://www.roadandtrack.com/special_...rid-perception
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dont bother with the video
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Takeaway point from the last section:

To a great extent, reality coincided with perception: We think of hybrids as being particularly fuel-efficient, and indeed our hybrid Prius posted best mpg readings in every driving situation. Maybe even more important, though, the data suggest that the best of today’s cars are already well along toward that mandated 35.5 mpg fleet average (recall the cars’ contribution in 2016 is pegged at 42 mpg). Clearly the hybrid concept offers benefits, but conventional gasoline and diesel will play important roles as well.
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Not a fan of hybrids.Too expensive and really not much value,if any with highway driving which is a high percentage of my driving.
Also I don't care about the green movement.
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Interesting that the Prius was the largest vehicle in the test and it did the best....even on the highway.
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Originally Posted by SLegacy99
Interesting that the Prius was the largest vehicle in the test and it did the best....even on the highway.

I didn't read the article but Hybrids get worse MPG on highway vs city.
A HS is said to get 34 MPG on the highway.I get over 30 with my ES.
City driving is where the hybrid does well.
I'd still rather have a diesel than a hybrid.
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I'm with you Joe, unfortunately although a lot of my driving is on the freeway, I get caught in traffic a lot where the hybrid would work a little better. My lifetime average on the 350 currently stands at 26.8 and I can usually average 28-29 until traffic starts settling in. Thankfully, I work early enough to avoid the worst of it.
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Originally Posted by Joeb427
I didn't read the article but Hybrids get worse MPG on highway vs city.
A HS is said to get 34 MPG on the highway.I get over 30 with my ES.
City driving is where the hybrid does well.
I'd still rather have a diesel than a hybrid.
yes, but in their test, the prius beat the econo ford and the diesel on canyon carving and the 70mph freeway test.
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Originally Posted by Joeb427
I didn't read the article but Hybrids get worse MPG on highway vs city.
Depends on the type of hybrid. Parallel-hybrids usually do better in the city, with stop-and-go driving, because they can run for a while on pure electric power alone, and the gas engine does not run as much. On the highway, with continual motion, the gas engine cuts in more, to keep the battery charged, because the battery gets drained quicker.

Series-hybrids, on the other hand, usually do better on the road because they can't run on the pure-electrics alone...they operate more like a conventional car, with the electric motor simply serving as a power-boost and engine start-stop device.

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Originally Posted by Joeb427
I didn't read the article but Hybrids get worse MPG on highway vs city.
A HS is said to get 34 MPG on the highway.I get over 30 with my ES.
City driving is where the hybrid does well.
I'd still rather have a diesel than a hybrid.
If you explore the HS model forum you'll discover 38-45 MPG Hwy is not uncommon. But if you read this article you'll discover that the Prius is the best vehicle on the market now for both city and highway fuel economy.

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Series-hybrids, on the other hand, usually do better on the road because they can't run on the pure-electrics alone...they operate more like a conventional car, with the electric motor simply serving as a power-boost and engine start-stop device.
An excellent point.

I also noticed that Jack Bauer has been sporting a Malibu hybrid recently. I wonder what kind of mileage he is getting.
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Originally Posted by SLegacy99
If you explore the HS model forum you'll discover 38-45 MPG Hwy is not uncommon. But if you read this article you'll discover that the Prius is the best vehicle on the market now for both city and highway fuel economy.
No doubt Prius is the best hybrid vehicle if one wants something that small.
Interesting on the HS hwy miles.I like more power,though.
I'm still a gas or diesel engine fan over any hybrid except maybe the GS450h but then MPG's aren't very good.
Maybe sometime in the future I'll feel differently.

Depends on the type of hybrid. Parallel-hybrids ususally do better in the city, with stop-and-go driving, because they can run for a while on pure electric power alone, and the gas engine does not run as much. On the highway, with continual motion, the gas engine cuts in more, to keep the battery charged, because the battery gets drained quicker.

Series-hybrids, on the other hand, usually do better on the road because they can't run on the pure-electrics alone...they operate more like a conventional car, with the electric motor simply serving as a power-boost and engine start-stop device.
Interesting,Mike.
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Originally Posted by Joeb427
No doubt Prius is the best hybrid vehicle if one wants something that small.
the Prius is NOT a small car, much bigger than the IS350 I had, much more room than my buddy's 06 Jetta TDI...its pretty big...go sit in the back seat of one...tons of legroom.

BTW, averaging about 58mpg with my Prius...90% of the commute is at about 52-53mph...only 10% on freeway at 70mph.
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Yes, i was surprised how big the prius felt. very good design from toyota. its a wonder why honda swooped it and failed with the insight
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Originally Posted by bagwell
the Prius is NOT a small car, much bigger than the IS350 I had, much more room than my buddy's 06 Jetta TDI...its pretty big...go sit in the back seat of one...tons of legroom.

BTW, averaging about 58mpg with my Prius...90% of the commute is at about 52-53mph...only 10% on freeway at 70mph.

I've never sat in one.Maybe I should.
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Originally Posted by bagwell
the Prius is NOT a small car, much bigger than the IS350 I had, much more room than my buddy's 06 Jetta TDI...its pretty big...go sit in the back seat of one...tons of legroom.
Oh man, the backseat in my dad's IS is horridly cramped. You can really spread out in my sister in laws backseat of her Prius. Perfect taxi cab vehicle.
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