Cadillac CTS Tops Consumer Reports' Tests of 5 Luxury Sedans ......
01-05-10, 06:12 PM
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the rl is such a failure it's sad and they shoulld just kill it the beatings r no longe funny. The CTS seems to be the only tweener to b a legitimately battle the next class up. The es tl and g37 have been left behind by it. Amazing what Caddy has done here!!
I can see why they made those comments on the HS so won't argue.
I can see why they made those comments on the HS so won't argue.
01-05-10, 07:54 PM
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I can't believe MB sells the E-Class at $55,245 with a 268-hp engine. That's pathetic.
Yet the RL is overpriced, unacceptable, and bashed constantly for "only" having a V6 with 300 hp at $50K.
As for the CTS, yeah it's impressive. I loved driving it and just being in it was a pleasure.
Yet the RL is overpriced, unacceptable, and bashed constantly for "only" having a V6 with 300 hp at $50K.
As for the CTS, yeah it's impressive. I loved driving it and just being in it was a pleasure.
01-05-10, 07:54 PM
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es.
Obviously it's off-topic, but the ES350 is plenty soft-riding with so-handling. I drove it extensively for 10 days in a variety of suburban, highway, mountain road and commute conditions. Lexus seems to know what they are doing with this car as it continues to sell at a brisk rate each month.
Obviously it's off-topic, but the ES350 is plenty soft-riding with so-handling. I drove it extensively for 10 days in a variety of suburban, highway, mountain road and commute conditions. Lexus seems to know what they are doing with this car as it continues to sell at a brisk rate each month.
I've got plenty to say about the ES350 chassis (both good and bad), but I'll leave that for another thread.
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01-05-10, 08:02 PM
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I can't believe MB sells the E-Class at $55,245 with a 268-hp engine. That's pathetic.
Yet the RL is overpriced, unacceptable, and bashed constantly for "only" having a V6 with 300 hp at $50K.
As for the CTS, yeah it's impressive. I loved driving it and just being in it was a pleasure.
Yet the RL is overpriced, unacceptable, and bashed constantly for "only" having a V6 with 300 hp at $50K.
As for the CTS, yeah it's impressive. I loved driving it and just being in it was a pleasure.
The E-class, of course, does offer V8 (and AMG) versions...at higher prices, of course (I recently reviewed a new E550). An E63 AMG can run 100K or more...and it has enough power to pull a freight train. The 2008 version I reviewed was one of the most powerful, if not THE most powerful sedan I've driven in recent years.
01-05-10, 10:06 PM
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Regarding the RL versus E-class, the E-class is outselling the RL at a rate of 25 to 1. The RL is essentially an automotive business failure. If there are a few that don't see why, one of us will gladly explain later since the list will be rather long despite the horsepower difference.
01-06-10, 05:31 AM
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Agreed.....and, for the most part, there's no need for it to be about numbers. Most people don't buy their cars that way (acceleration, braking distances, skidpad figures, etc....), but on comfort, reliability, looks, and versatility. For them, the only "numbers" with ant real meaning are the EPA mileage figures.
There are some "numbers" involved, in the sense that CR assigns so many points to each car for ride, handling, quietmness, acceleration, braking, fit/finish, etc.....Other car magazines, to an extent, do the same thing.
There are some "numbers" involved, in the sense that CR assigns so many points to each car for ride, handling, quietmness, acceleration, braking, fit/finish, etc.....Other car magazines, to an extent, do the same thing.
Imagine what the result would be if NASA use personal opinion to navigate thru space
01-06-10, 05:38 AM
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CR uses mostly objective data to come to a conclusion. They are not car enthusiasts. Generally speaking, the car with the most features for the cheapest price, wins.
01-06-10, 05:53 AM
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01-06-10, 01:12 PM
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If I was going to actually buy an American car (eewww) it would only be the CTS. I like the malibu but its competition for the accord and camary. I like a bit more style and luxury in what I drive
01-06-10, 04:29 PM
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Sitting in a car for a few minutes or driving them for a few hours does not give one an accurate picture of "build quality". Longterm ownership does.
01-06-10, 07:18 PM
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No, it won't tell you how long necessarily the engine or transmission will last with normal use, but you can learn a LOT from a good overview and test-drive. Even back in the late 60's, when I was a teen-ager (I did my first formal review in 1970), I could tell that GM and Ford products, in general, had better sheet metal, better overall assembly quality, and used better interial materials than Chrysler or AMC products. Chrysler, though, was known for the durability of its six-cylinders, small V8s, and the Torqueflite automatic transmission.....something that, as you note, can only be proved with the test of time.
