October 2009 Official Sales Thread

[(Cj)]

Originally Posted by TRDFantasy

You should check your facts. HS is selling like hot cakes in Japan, waiting lists are several months long. HS is completely capacity-limited at this point, and North America is only getting a limited amount of HS models so far because most of them are currently allocated for the Japanese market.

Yes I am aware of that, and I'm also aware that the HS is the number one selling Lexus in Japan now. I guess I presumed that the initial production shortfalls had been taken care of to allow for a higher capacity of shipment to the US. Aside, from that I stand by my statement that the HS is too conservatively styled, but time will tell as far as it's sales are concerned.

[Stormwind]

Originally Posted by [B

Hybrids[/b]
Prius- 13,496
Insight- 1,739
RX 450h-1,567
HS 250h- 1,527
Civic hybrid- 239
GS 450h/LS 600h L- 60

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Lol at GS/LS 450H/L.
It is also a good sign that people are at least getting less dumb and not falling for that marketing BS.

[1SICKLEX]

Originally Posted by Stormwind

Lol at GS/LS 450H/L.
It is also a good sign that people are at least getting less dumb and not falling for that marketing BS.

They are both special order now and again never were volume cars. My 450h is faster, quieter, more efficient with more tech than my 01 430.

[1SICKLEX]

The goal was 50k for Genesis sedans and coupes. I really really REALLY hope the public is giving these vehicles a shot. Selling 1800 a month of both is more than 1/2 that goal

[jwong77]

Do you guys see a continued upward trend at Ford? Will they continue the roll they are on?

[RX300-BV]

Originally Posted by jwong77

Do you guys see a continued upward trend at Ford? Will they continue the roll they are on?

I think Ford will continue its upward trend. Both the new Taurus and Fusion are on the sales up. Ford still has the new Fiesta coming next year. A new Focus is on its way. The redesigned Mustang will get its new engines next year. Unibody Explorer is still to come. There's a refresh set for the Edge/MKX.

Ford has been on the up with quality and still has products in the pipeline. Not taking bailout money has also given them a favorable public image.

[LexBob2]

Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

The goal was 50k for Genesis sedans and coupes. I really really REALLY hope the public is giving these vehicles a shot. Selling 1800 a month of both is more than 1/2 that goal

As TRD also pointed out Genesis sales seemed to have flattened out.

If the sedan is doing 1/2 or so the Genesis volume that's about 925-1,000 cars!

Compared to the new LaCrosse also with 2 engine choices 3,228, MKS @1,609.

What's up?

The outgoing '09 ES350 with only one model sold 4,413.

[Gojirra99]

IRVINE, Calif., Nov. 3 /PRNewswire/ -- Mazda North American Operations (MNAO) today reported October 2009 sales of 15,068, a decrease of 8.4 percent versus October of 2008. Overall, total yearly sales are reported at 175,257, down 24.4 percent compared to 2008.

The all-new 2010 MAZDA3 led the way with sales of 6,729 vehicles, an increase of 10.4 percent, and the best October since 2007. The 2010 MAZDA3 is a redefined, reengineered, and restyled sport compact that delivers improved appearance and performance, fresh features, and an unmatched level of refinement.

MX-5 Miata, RX-8 and CX-7 all reported sales that represent the best October since 2007, signaling that Mazda is gaining strength and momentum.

Mazda Motor de Mexico (MMdM) reported sales of 1,591, down 20 percent versus last year. Mazda Canada Inc. (MCI) sold 5,612 units, down 8.1 percent compared to last October.

                     Month-To-Date                    Year-To-Date
                     -------------                    ------------

             October October    %     % MTD   October October    %     % YTD
               2009    2008   Change    DSR     2009    2008   Change    DSR
               ----    ----   ------    ---     ----    ----   ------    ---

    Mazda3     6,729   6,095   10.4%    6.5%   82,562  96,351  (14.3)% (14.3)%
    Mazda5       853   1,921  (55.6)% (57.2)%  15,771  17,638  (10.6)% (10.6)%
    Mazda6     2,975   4,040  (26.4)% (29.0)%  29,973  46,277  (35.2)% (35.2)%
    MX-5
     Miata       586     377   55.4%   49.9%    7,035  10,368  (32.1)% (32.1)%
    RX-8         281     190   47.9%   42.6%    1,908   3,055  (37.5)% (37.5)%
    CX-7       1,754   1,497   17.2%   13.0%   15,796  24,555  (35.7)% (35.7)%
    CX-9       1,652   1,812   (8.8)% (12.1)%  16,555  22,281  (25.7)% (25.7)%
    Tribute      230     418  (45.0)% (46.9)%   5,091  10,145  (49.8)% (49.8)%
    B-Series
     Truck         8      92  (91.3)% (91.6)%     566   1,180  (52.0)% (52.0)%

    Total
     Vehicles
    ---------

    CARS      11,424  12,623   (9.5)% (12.7)% 137,249 173,689  (21.0)% (21.0)%
    TRUCKS     3,644   3,819   (4.6)%  (8.0)%  38,008  58,161  (34.7)% (34.7)%
               -----   -----   ----            ------  ------  -----

    TOTAL     15,068  16,442   (8.4)% (11.6)% 175,257 231,850  (24.4)% (24.4)%
              ======  ======   ====   =====   ======= =======  =====   =====


    -----
    MEMO:
    -----

    IMPORT
     CAR       8,449   8,583   (1.6)%         107,276 127,412  (15.8)%
    IMPORT
     TRUCK     3,406   3,309    2.9%           32,351  46,836  (30.9)%
               -----   -----    ---            ------  ------  -----
    IMPORT
     TOTAL    11,855  11,892   (0.3)%         139,627 174,248  (19.9)%

    DOMESTIC
     CAR       2,975   4,040  (26.4)%          29,973  46,277  (35.2)%
    DOMESTIC
     TRUCK       238     510  (53.3)%           5,657  11,325  (50.0)%
                 ---     ---  -----             -----  ------  -----
    DOMESTIC
     TOTALS    3,213   4,550  (29.4)%          35,630  57,602  (38.1)%
    --------   -----   -----  -----            ------  ------  -----
    Selling
     Days         28      27                      259     259
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SOURCE Mazda North American Operations

[TRDFantasy]

Awesome job for Subaru, the sales increase for them continues.

Originally Posted by LexBob2

As TRD also pointed out Genesis sales seemed to have flattened out.

If the sedan is doing 1/2 or so the Genesis volume that's about 925-1,000 cars!

Compared to the new LaCrosse also with 2 engine choices 3,228, MKS @1,609.

What's up?

The outgoing '09 ES350 with only one model sold 4,413.

All the Genesis fans and those who were hyping it seem to have gone silent now.

[ffpowerLN]

Originally Posted by TRDFantasy

All the Genesis fans and those who were hyping it seem to have gone silent now.

As well as those people who were hyping about this is BMW's year to overtake Lexus in the sales crown...

[joe80]

Originally Posted by TRDFantasy

Awesome job for Subaru, the sales increase for them continues.



All the Genesis fans and those who were hyping it seem to have gone silent now.

americans aren't ready to spend 40k for hyundai yet. before coupe arrived genesis sedan was selling 1000-1150.

clearly genesis is not a volume seller. you guys should've figured it out last year.

[TRDFantasy]

Originally Posted by joe80

it's still too early to spend 35K+ for hyundai. coupe is not selling well because it's going against american muscle. since last year most ever hyundai sold was 2300 together. before coupe arrived genesis sedan was selling 1000-1150.

clearly genesis is not a volume seller.

Really ? Many people here on CL, and on other forums earlier this year and last year were greatly hyping the Genesis sedan and the coupe. A lot of people were hyping the Genesis to sell at Lexus ES volumes.

Genesis sales are nowhere close to Hyundai's sales goals in the US.

Given the HUGE amount of hype that surrounded the Genesis, and Hyundai's own sales goals, the Genesis has clearly turned out to be a sales failure.

If the Genesis "is not a volume seller", and by Hyundai's own admission the Equus is not a volume seller, what exactly is a volume seller ? How many times can this excuse be applied? Where do you draw the line? Is the Azera "not a volume seller" too? How about the Veracruz? Fact is, those are volume sellers but they have failed miserably sales-wise.

Saying "the Genesis is not a volume seller" is a weak excuse to cover up the fact that the Hyundai brand simply CANNOT support a car with the price range of the Genesis sedan in the North American market. The Hyundai brand has nowhere near the image and reputation to support any sort of volume sales of a car like the Genesis sedan.

Hyundai themselves intended for the Genesis sedan and coupe to both be volume sellers, with their sales goals as the proof.

You got one thing right for sure though, the Hyundai brand just can't support a $35K+ car in the North American market, and Hyundai should have known that before releasing the Genesis here.

[joe80]

Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

The goal was 50k for Genesis sedans and coupes. I really really REALLY hope the public is giving these vehicles a shot. Selling 1800 a month of both is more than 1/2 that goal

i think hyundai always make an impossible goal. i remember their goal for sonata was like 150k when 06 model came out.

it's shame because people still look down on hyundai as a brand. those who took time to test drive and gave hyundai a shot were very impressed by genesis. but it's hard for people to spend 40k on hyundai when they can just buy a luxury brand.

[(Cj)]

Originally Posted by joe80

but it's hard for people to spend 40k on hyundai when they can just buy a luxury brand.

And that's the Genesis's whole problem. If Hyundai made a luxury brand spinoff then I think Lexus, BMW, Mercedes etc. would have really had problems, but as it stands now the Genesis is no threat to the established luxury brands.

[joe80]

and the fact that they are bringing 50k+ Equus proves that they are doing this for HYUNDAI, the brand.