Consumer Reports Annual Car Reliability Survey 2009 - Page 2

The G Man · 10-27-09, 01:37 PM

The GS AWD is virtually the same as the RWD version except for the AWD of course, yet the GS AWD is rated least reliable. Since I have never heard of anyone having any problem with the GS's AWD system. I must assume that CR is full of you know what.

RXSF · 10-27-09, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The G Man

The GS AWD is virtually the same as the RWD version except for the AWD of course, yet the GS AWD is rated least reliable. Since I have never heard of anyone having any problem with the GS's AWD system. I must assume that CR is full of you know what.

KrazyLexus · 10-27-09, 02:42 PM

This has me a little worried as I was going to get a GS 2007~ model and it's ranked worst in the Lexus lineup? Something just doesn't seem right.

R1R · 10-27-09, 04:54 PM

So Infiniti's QX56 is more reliable than the entire Audi and Mini brand? Yikes!

Not great for Audi and Mini.

1SICKLEX · 10-27-09, 04:55 PM

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So Infiniti's QX56 is more reliable than the entire Audi and Mini brand? Yikes!

Not great for Audi and Mini.

To Nissan's credit, they really tackled the QX's issues after the first couple years were so horridly built. Still they are so disapointed in the quality of the Mississippi plant the next QX will be now Petrol based, not Armada based and built in Japan.

The G Man · 10-27-09, 04:12 PM

I wish there was a reliability rating on these reliability survey

Look at the difference between the top two auto relaibility survey reports, Consumer report and JD power. Chrysler went from last place to above average. All 3 German brand went from below average to about average, Scion went from 1st place to near the bottom. Suzuki went from 13th place to the very last place. Cadillac went from 32th place to the 8th place. SAAB went from 11th to 35th place, Mitsubishi went from 6th place to below average. Mazda went from 15 to near the very bottom. Buick went from 19th to 1st place. Jaguar, who was 1st place in JD power was not even mentioned in the CR report. The difference between the 2 list just goes on and on, somehow, the JD power report seems more reliable to me.

CR's reliability rating:

1. Scion
2. Honda
3. Toyota
4. Infiniti
5. Acura
6. Mitsubishi
7. Lexus
8. Hyundai
9. Porsche
10. Mercury
11. Saab
12. Subaru
13. Suzuki
14. Kia
15. Mazda
16. Ford
17. Nissan
18. Volvo
19. Buick
20. Lincoln
21. Volkswagen
22. Pontiac
23. Mercedes-Benz
24. Audi
25. Chevrolet
26. BMW
27. Mini
28. GMC
29. Saturn
30. Jeep
31. Dodge
32. Cadillac
33. Chrysler

JD power's 2009 reliability rating:

FisforFast · 10-27-09, 04:54 PM

I've always found JD Powers' findings to be right on par with real life, where-as CR usually falls kind of short. Lincolns have always been kind of bulletproof... there are several really old Lincolns in my family (10+ years old) that are still going strong with several hundred thousand kilometers on the odometer, and I'd be willing to say that Lincoln has always been making a high-quality product that can stand up to Lexus in terms of luxury and reliability. Jaguars have always been high quality and virtually bulletproof too, at least outside of Ford hands.

JD Powers' list just makes more 'real-life' sense to me than Customer Reports'.

MPLexus301 · 10-27-09, 05:35 PM

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I'd be willing to say that Lincoln has always been making a high-quality product that can stand up to Lexus in terms of luxury and reliability. Jaguars have always been high quality and virtually bulletproof too, at least outside of Ford hands.

While I do respect your opinions and personal experiences, mine are the polar opposite. We owned an XJ that was pure and utter garbage and the XF, from what I have seen, has been plagued with it's fair share of issues. Take a look at some of the Jaguar forums and long term reliability/dependability data from major sources.

Lincoln...I don't know where to start. My roommate's dad has a fleet of Navigator XLs (big bucks) for work and every single one is trash. All the silver paint has chipped off the plastic in the interior in all of them, they all vibrate constantly and rattle like a wind chime. Sad, because IMO it's a nice truck otherwise.

FisforFast · 10-27-09, 05:41 PM

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While I do respect your opinions and personal experiences, mine are the polar opposite. We owned an XJ that was pure and utter garbage and the XF, from what I have seen, has been plagued with it's fair share of issues. Take a look at some of the Jaguar forums and long term reliability/dependability data from major sources.

Lincoln...I don't know where to start. My roommate's dad has a fleet of Navigator XLs (big bucks) for work and every single one is trash. All the silver paint has chipped off the plastic in the interior in all of them, they all vibrate constantly and rattle like a wind chime. Sad, because IMO it's a nice truck otherwise.

I mentioned that Jaguar, out of Ford's hands, made very reliable and dependable automobiles. And the Navigator has always had its fair share of problems.

TRDFantasy · 10-27-09, 05:49 PM

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I mentioned that Jaguar, out of Ford's hands, made very reliable and dependable automobiles. And the Navigator has always had its fair share of problems.

Certain generations of Jaguars, even out of Ford's hands, still had numerous reliability problems. In fact, a lot of British cars over the decades have a famous reputation of reliability problems.

newr · 10-27-09, 04:58 PM

I use CR mag to wipe my behind.. it is a little rough but sure cheaper than buying toilet paper.

mmarshall · 10-27-09, 05:26 PM

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I use CR mag to wipe my behind.. it is a little rough but sure cheaper than buying toilet paper.

While you, of course, are entitled to your opinion, most of us feel that CR is one of the best sources out there (if not THE best) for auto reliability. True, they don't do the same kind of sport-oriented testing that the enthusiast mags do, but that is not their purpose.

R1R · 10-27-09, 05:51 PM

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While you, of course, are entitled to your opinion, most of us feel that CR is one of the best sources out there (if not THE best) for auto reliability. True, they don't do the same kind of sport-oriented testing that the enthusiast mags do, but that is not their purpose.

I don't get why people rag on Consumer Reports. They probably test their vehicles to the same degree as C&D, MT, and R&T. It's not like they have grandma's testing their cars at 20 MPH.

For example, EVO X & 370Z:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0pJSZVMOHQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAndC05ZXzY

FisforFast · 10-27-09, 05:56 PM

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I don't get why people rag on Consumer Reports. They probably test their vehicles to the same degree as C&D, MT, and R&T. It's not like they have grandma's testing their cars at 20 MPH.

For example, EVO X & 370Z:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0pJSZVMOHQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAndC05ZXzY

C&D and MT aren't exactly golden either.

mmarshall · 10-27-09, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by R1R

I don't get why people rag on Consumer Reports. They probably test their vehicles to the same degree as C&D, MT, and R&T. It's not like they have grandma's testing their cars at 20 MPH.

CR, in general, tests for reasonable safety, acceleration, braking, and handling figures, but doesn't rag their cars out as much or abuse the drive train like the enthusiast mags, trying to get absolute lowest 0-60 and quarter-mile times.