1SICKBLOG: The RX 450h and 30MPG, unappreciated and what ever vehicle should offer

[lamar411]

Bad comparo to begin with only 1 diesel car and 1 hybrid versus a bunch of other cars. Why compare and RDX with an RX450h the RDX is not trying to be the super fuel efficent suv. the rav4 V6 is not the most fuel efficent either and why compare the V6?? wat happend to the 4 cylinder with better mileage. The buick enclave?? there are pretty much no similariates. the lexus is a hybrid the buick is a luxury hauler also with a v6. i dont see the bmw x5 diesel or the touraeg diesel which r the real compeititors. idk like this one bad comparo

[DustinV]

Originally Posted by DASHOCKER

You may want to read this http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/o...ookieSupport=1

Do you have a link regarding your statement above?

Diesel vehicles such as the VW, BMW, Merc are designed to run on regular diesel or biodiesel. There are eco friendly folks around the country filling their cars at biodiesel filling stations.

http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingBioDi...lfuelingsites/

Here in Stuttgart some of the local diesel owners of classic Mercedes are running their cars on biodiesel. It's cleaner in terms of emissions.

Classic cars in Germany (anything older than 25 years) apparently are exempt from emission controls.

[Stormforge]

i believe dashocker is an anti-hybrid type of person. i recall reading one of his comments somewhere to that effect. he will not accept the positive things that hybrids bring to the table.

[DASHOCKER]

Originally Posted by Stormforge

i believe dashocker is an anti-hybrid type of person. i recall reading one of his comments somewhere to that effect. he will not accept the positive things that hybrids bring to the table.

The modern day Ralph Nader

[ffpowerLN]

Sweet...

This thread has turned into another hybrid vs. diesel discussion.

The usual suspects are all here...

[IS-SV]

Originally Posted by ffpowerLN

Sweet...

This thread has turned into another hybrid vs. diesel discussion.

The usual suspects are all here...

Yes, but reruns have merit.

[1SICKLEX]

As for the now diesel vs Hybrid argument, well this thread was about MPG, so what diesel SUV gets better MPG than the RXh? I like both options but its CLEAR the X5 and ML diesel fall short on MPG in comparison.

Are there diesel cars that get better MPG? Yup, A VW and other 4 cylinder diesels that are much slower.

[1SICKLEX]

Everyone, if you have not, please read this.
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/car-...-car-chat.html

We can have a heated discussion without attacks. State your position and if you have links for evidence that would be great.

[1SICKLEX]

DustinV, you are using what people are "saying". In my first post I used one source for all the MPG ratings. If I went by what people "said" then I can say some people claim the RXh gets 35 or 40 MPG.

For fairness, one source was used. The AMG ML has nothing to do with this conversation but its nice for you to try to bring it up to make the RX seem less desirable (I love the ML 63, a brute!).

Why is it so hard to admit the truth? The RXh is a clear winner with MPG over any diesel SUV here. Going further, it gets better MPG than most all luxury vehicles from anyone and MOST vehicles sold here.

[Och]

You know Dustin, you said I'm pathetic, so I'm gonna take offence to it and remind you of a couple things.

So back about a year ago a bunch of guys in the LS400 forums were discussing an old Top Gear video comparing the first LS400 to its rivals and winning. Thats the link to the thread.

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/ls40...s-4-0-sov.html

These are your first and third posts on this site. They were in that same thread.

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/3321258-post12.html

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/3321258-post12.html

You've basically joined a Lexus site to crap on Lexus. Not even in car chat, but in a model specific subforum. So whos pathetic?

[DustinV]

Originally Posted by Och

You know Dustin, you said I'm pathetic, so I'm gonna take offence to it and remind you of a couple things.

So back about a year ago a bunch of guys in the LS400 forums were discussing an old Top Gear video comparing the first LS400 to its rivals and winning. Thats the link to the thread.

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/ls40...s-4-0-sov.html

These are your first and third posts on this site. They were in that same thread.

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/3321258-post12.html

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/3321258-post12.html

You've basically joined a Lexus site to crap on Lexus. Not even in car chat, but in a model specific subforum. So whos pathetic?

I joined a Lexus site to "crap" on Lexus? Really?

I joined this forum because my sister drives a Lexus and that sparked my interest in the brand.


So anything slightly negative about Lexus is deemed by you to be "crapping" on the brand? Geez...

Here is my first post in that LS400 thread:

Omarg: THEY MADE BMW 7 and Mb S-class without ac?? without power seats? without a radio???? OMG!!! What a rip! who in their right mind would by those?


DustinV: Different markets, different expectations. It is not a rip off at all. Europeans have long preferred to be able to select the options they want in their cars. Back in the 1970s and 1980s things like air-conditioning and automatic transmissions were considered "not needed". A radio was always standard in the 7 series and S class, always. Power seats? Are you that lazy?

On a side note, Lexus is not doing themselves any favors in Europe with their current strategy. Most Europeans feel that they don't need some of the things Lexus includes in their cars as standard. With the European brands you get to actually select what you want in the car and what not. There's a big appeal in that here. Furthermore Lexus prices in Europe have gotten so expensive that buyers by default go for the brands with a name.

The W126 Mercedes S class in the test was brought to the market in 1979, so of course the LS400 would outclass it since it didn't get any major modifications even during the facelift. These were the days when a facelift was a facelift, not an overhaul. Sure, the Lexus looks modern and dynamic but it doesn't look classy like its European competitors. Nevertheless the LS400 is my favorite LS ever.


Where do I "crap" on Lexus? I think most people here will agree with me that the Lexus strategy in Europe (or even Japan) hasn't been very good.

[DustinV]

Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

DustinV, you are using what people are "saying". In my first post I used one source for all the MPG ratings. If I went by what people "said" then I can say some people claim the RXh gets 35 or 40 MPG.

These are the averages real owners seem to be obtaining. And it seems that these people tend to get above what the EPA or even the manufacturer claims for the vehicle. This is true for almost all brands.

Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

For fairness, one source was used. The AMG ML has nothing to do with this conversation but its nice for you to try to bring it up to make the RX seem less desirable (I love the ML 63, a brute!).

This is an accusation, right? You're claiming I am bringing in the ML63 for the sole purpose of making the RX seem less desirable. What makes you say that?

I was trying to prove a point to Och. The performance of the ML Bluetec is satisfactory to most people. If he doesn't like it, then fine. But I try to point out my arguments with real FACTS - something he doesn't place much emphasis on.

Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

Why is it so hard to admit the truth? The RXh is a clear winner with MPG over any diesel SUV here. Going further, it gets better MPG than most all luxury vehicles from anyone and MOST vehicles sold here.

Where have I tried to deny the achievements of the RXh in this thread? I have pointed out that the X5 and ML diesel get better mileage than what is claimed in this thread. That is all. Nowhere do I claim that the ML gets better mileage than the RX.

[SLegacy99]

Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

DustinV, you are using what people are "saying". In my first post I used one source for all the MPG ratings. If I went by what people "said" then I can say some people claim the RXh gets 35 or 40 MPG.

For fairness, one source was used.

This point should be stressed. The EPA is the standard source, whether or not you think that is an accurate guaging of fuel economy. Modern standards rate my Legacy GT at 24 mpg Hwy. I get well over 30.

[Och]

It just bogs my mind that so many members on this site simply joined because they hate Lexus, and will not admit to anything positive that Lexus does.

Seriously, Lexus is my favorite brand, and the RX is my most hated SUV. I'd much rather have the Acura (my least favorite brand) MDX, but the fact that RX-h gets 30mpg is simply astonishing. Mike, thank you for the blog.

[DustinV]

Originally Posted by Och

It just bogs my mind that so many members on this site simply joined because they hate Lexus, and will not admit to anything positive that Lexus does.

Where have I ever stated how much "I hate Lexus"? Show me that post, please. Because I don't hate Lexus at all, but neither is Lexus my favorite brand. They're a good company but they don't really build anything I want.

In fact I've never really been that interested in luxury cars. Luxury cars are nice but I don't personally need to own one.

The only reason I am driving an E class is because it is a company car. And it is a nice car. But my next car, which will be a private purchase, will most likely be a simple mainstream vehicle that is great value, stylish, well-equipped, comfortable and safe: the new Citroen C5 - in diesel form.