1SICKBLOG: The RX 450h and 30MPG, unappreciated and what ever vehicle should offer - Page 2

pagemaster · 08-24-09, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

What part of we are talking MPG and not price do you not understand? My initial post clearly states we are talking just MPG figures here, nothing else and I even posted the link to the single site I used for the figures.
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And I will be clear. Your whole thread about the RX450h is useless unless you factor in price to the comparo.

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Even if you talk price, its AMAZING a luxury SUV with a higher drag with nearly twice the weight has the same MPG as a compact/sub-compact

It is STUNNING.....but when the hybrid costs $60k...you better get 30mpg with that type of development cost.

SLegacy99 · 08-24-09, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pagemaster

Not at all. A RX350 options out at $48,000

$12,000 price premium is a lot to pay for 8 more mpg overall.

Whoa holy exageration batman.

And I see that you write this again several more times down the page. Option each one out on Lexus.com and provide the links to support a $12,000 premium. Note that the price difference between the base prices is $4110. Nevertheless, your numbers are not matching mine when I build a fully loaded RX350 or 450h.

nthach · 08-24-09, 02:12 AM

I think Mike is referring to the MPG and luxury of the RXh to vehicles comparable in size and construction. He can't compare a 2.3 ton RXh to a 1.7 ton Prius

It's also a insult to Honda and VW as well.

pagemaster · 08-24-09, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by nthach

I think Mike is referring to the MPG and luxury of the RXh to vehicles comparable in size and construction. He can't compare a 2.3 ton RXh to a 1.7 ton Prius

Right....And the RAV4 V6 2WD offers a whole lot of luxury....it does offer performance though....a whole 1.3 seconds faster 0-60mph and it makes the RAV4 V6 the fastest TOYOTA suv.

He could compare the RAV4 V6 2WD to a RX350 V6 2WD

RAV4 2wd 19cty/27hwy
RX350 2wd 18cty/25hwy

Now that would make sense?

Allen K · 08-24-09, 07:57 AM

Considering the V6 Rav4's curb weight is 3560 and the RX's weight is 4,178 it does make sense. Info is taken off their respective Toyota and Lexus websites for the Limited 2WD Rav 4 and the RX350 FWD

IS-SV · 08-24-09, 08:20 AM

30 mpg and $50K-$60K price is a valid point that needs to be mentioned in the US market. The more successful model at a lower price point is the Toyota Highlander hybrid model.

SLegacy99 · 08-24-09, 08:33 AM

I like this blog, I agree with it. Frankly, I've run a number of calcultations (and posted them) in the past few months examining the cost effectiveness of a hybrid model over the non hybrid and I've found that hybrids are making more sense, given gas price increases, state tax rebates, improving technology, and that people are driving their cars longer. But of course, a budget for a Yaris is far driven from one that could afford an RX.

My parents considered trading in their 400h (42,000 miles) for a 450h, but decided against it given that they hadn't gotten their money out of the 400h yet...though the resale value is of course higher than the 350 had they gotten that. Anyway, I would love to drive a 450h and experiment with it. I know the real world MPG is taboo in this thread, but our 250 mile trip yesterday resulted in an average of 30.2 MPG. 95% Hwy, 3 adults, 1 dog, A/C, 89 octane, and speeds of 55 to 70 MPH. I was impressed if you couldn't tell, so I can only imagine what a 450h could do.

Och · 08-24-09, 09:13 AM

The point is not to compare prices of one vehicle to another, the point is that the hybrid technology is working, and Lexus is the company thats number one in making the best of it. For several years now haters have been running their mouths how hybrid technology is too expensive, how hybrid cars are slow and dreadful, and how clean diesels are going to totally destroy it in performance, driveability, cost and economy.

And here we are, this latest Lexus is faster, smoother and more economical than any comparable petrol, its even more economical than dreadful econoboxes such as Fit and Yaris, and where are these long promised clean diesels?

DASHOCKER · 08-24-09, 09:41 AM

All of this time, I was thinking that the Rx450h was avg. 30 mpg in 4wd form.. Instead, it is avg 30 mpg in 2wd form.. They still make 2wd suvs?? Is it rear of front wheel drive for the Rx?

pagemaster · 08-24-09, 12:36 PM

[quote=Och;4790882]And here we are, this latest Lexus is faster, smoother and more economical than any comparable petrolQUOTE]

But again...it cost $50k-$60k to get 30mpg....when I can get 22mp for $25,000

SLegacy99 · 08-24-09, 09:23 AM

I think the only thing that is holding automakers back at this point is battery availability. Ford can't boost production because they simply don't have the batteries.

Furthermore, I think Toyota needs a small 4 cylinder 2.0 to 2.2L's for Camry and Rav 4 hybrids. I know that they will install the new 2.5L I4 in the Camry hybrid to compete with Altima and Fusion, putting it around 200 HP, but is that HP neccessary to sell a hybrid? Today perhaps. 5 years from now, maybe not.

SLegacy99 · 08-24-09, 09:49 AM

The RX is FWD.

IS-SV · 08-24-09, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SLegacy99

The RX is FWD.

No 4WD option, (I assume you are talking about the hybrid btw)?

SLegacy99 · 08-24-09, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by IS-SV

No 4WD option, (I assume you are talking about the hybrid btw)?

The RX450h is offered in both FWD and AWD forms, just like the RX350, 330, 300, and 400h.

The RX450h: is rated for 32/28 in FWD and 30/28 in AWD forms.

IS-SV · 08-24-09, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SLegacy99

The RX450h is offered in both FWD and AWD forms, just like the RX350, 330, 300, and 400h.

The RX450h: is rated for 32/28 in FWD and 30/28 in AWD forms.

Thanks for the info. The AWD fuel economy penalty is pretty typical, probably involves a lower final drive ratio like most.