2010 LS 460 "Sport"
06-23-09, 11:16 PM
#47
Look we know you hate the LS 460, no need to make up stuff and rehash those comments in here.
who said this ls sport will START at 100k anyway? and who's going to get a s class at starting price? pointless
i owned a ls460l, and i was this close from getting the s550. both are good cars. but i can easily give 5 points where the s class is "inferior" to the ls. doesn't matter, this is the internet
Last edited by rominl; 06-23-09 at 11:19 PM.
06-23-09, 11:38 PM
#49
Lexus Fanatic
95% of drivers who shell out the money for the LS will not want a sport version. It seems like an oxymoron to me. I like the aftermarket kits and wheels for the LS, but I dont think Lexus really needs to massage the car to produce a me too model to appease the ex-customers of Mercedes and BMW.
I like the direction Lexus is going but the need to focus on the GS before they go messing with the LS.
I like the direction Lexus is going but the need to focus on the GS before they go messing with the LS.
06-23-09, 11:40 PM
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06-24-09, 06:49 AM
#51
This car sooooo needs some dna, some energy, some excitement. It's just a nice large sedan, but that's it. It's NOT an exciting sedan by any means. Like there's no soul to it and at times I see it lost amongst other cars in traffic and parking lots. Sigh.
06-24-09, 07:59 AM
#52
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Please understand what I say takes nothing away from the S-class. It is to me, the standard of this class still and it just a dream vehicle. Now...
Oh really? Every single expert/automotive review in the world sees them as competitors. Top Gear chose the LS as their saloon of the year. They are in the same class. PERIOD. Does the S have more prestige/varients? Yes. The LS still in competition with the S-class. If anything, the PREVIOUS models were not true S-class competition.
Don't get caught in MSRP, S-class has had giant discounts since day one. For the past few months they offer 1.9% financing for up to 36 months then 2.9% up to 66 months. Lexus will not match that offer.
The S wins almost every category, really?
Both do 0-60 in identical time.
The LS has a larger trunk
The LS has better gas mileage
The LS has one more gear
THe LS weighs less
The LS makes 380hp with 4.6 liters. The S-class makes 2 more hp with 5.5 liters, nearly a liter more.
Both offer more tech than most cars sold today. The S-class interior looks like a 7 series interior. The LS at least looks original.
Both are sensational and DIRECT competitors. To say otherwise really destroys credibility as a poster. Sorry.
Would you make you feel better if the S-class sold a V-6 S350 (we don't get here) for the same price as a V-8 LS? If they brought it over, it would be the same price as the LS base. lol
The LS is by far the bargain of this class while offering the same kind of car. QUite an amazing feat.
Oh really? Every single expert/automotive review in the world sees them as competitors. Top Gear chose the LS as their saloon of the year. They are in the same class. PERIOD. Does the S have more prestige/varients? Yes. The LS still in competition with the S-class. If anything, the PREVIOUS models were not true S-class competition.
Don't get caught in MSRP, S-class has had giant discounts since day one. For the past few months they offer 1.9% financing for up to 36 months then 2.9% up to 66 months. Lexus will not match that offer.
The S wins almost every category, really?
Both do 0-60 in identical time.
The LS has a larger trunk
The LS has better gas mileage
The LS has one more gear
THe LS weighs less
The LS makes 380hp with 4.6 liters. The S-class makes 2 more hp with 5.5 liters, nearly a liter more.
Both offer more tech than most cars sold today. The S-class interior looks like a 7 series interior. The LS at least looks original.
Both are sensational and DIRECT competitors. To say otherwise really destroys credibility as a poster. Sorry.
Would you make you feel better if the S-class sold a V-6 S350 (we don't get here) for the same price as a V-8 LS? If they brought it over, it would be the same price as the LS base. lol
The LS is by far the bargain of this class while offering the same kind of car. QUite an amazing feat.
We have the S450 available with SWB in Canada, & it's about $15K less than a S550(available in LWB only) in base price. If you compare engine size, the LS460 is much closer to the S450 than the S550, but the S450 only makes 340hp wheras the LS460 makes 380hp, the S550 makes 382hp but the engine is bigger by almost one litre.
Now you can always ask why Lexus doesn't offer a bigger engine for the LS, or just put the 5.0 V8 in the non-hybrid LS (a LS500), that's their choice, maybe they think they can sell enough cars with the 460 engine, and the vast majority of their target customer do not want or need a higher power LS.
Actually it's true for the S-class too, the V12 only make up a few percent of the S-class sales, & that's in the U.S. It should be an even smaller percentage in most other parts of the world where gas prices are higher or much higher.
With Lexus/Toyota, they always have making a good business case as top priority when deciding whether to offer certain models, if they think the market for them is too small, they most likely won't bother doing it, they won't build a super powerful sedan just for the sake of having it and bragging about it. Some of us may not like this philosophy, but it seems that's the way they are, they care about efficiency in their operations more than anything.
06-24-09, 08:01 AM
#53
The LS starts at $64,000 for the standard wheelbase version. Mercedes does not offer a standard wheelbase version of the S Class in the USA.
The LS 460L, which is the most direct competitor to the S Class (because Mercedes only sells the LWB version in the USA) starts at $74,000.
And since when does power, especially 2hp and 24lb-ft of torque in the S Class' favor, contribute to the "feel" of a car?
06-24-09, 08:12 AM
#55
Additionally, for all of the people who think the LS is just some wallowy yacht of a vehicle...have you forgotten about the Touring model?
From TTAC, of all publications:
From TTAC, of all publications:
Having thoroughly dissed the LS’ driving experience in my last LS review, I have a shocking revelation: the Touring edition is fun to drive. It’s almost as engaging as the latest Mercedes S Class.
Starting out with the suspension in comfort mode reminded me why I don’t like Japanese luxury sedans: they tend to wallow only slightly less than late ‘70’s American luxobarges. A quick switch to the sport mode neatly transformed the LS into a European-like sedan. The ride quality became firm yet absorbent. The dynamic capabilities ascended from one-handed yachtsmanship to two-handed Teutonic corner carver.
The tweaked LS’ steering now has something approximating heft; you can [even] sense what the front tires are doing during cornering. I don’t get what Lexus are talking about with their “high friction brakes,” but the anchors are plenty powerful and easy to modulate.
Now that I could get past and yes enjoy the LS’ driving experience, I could better appreciate the sybaritic touches.
The luxury package includes the finest, softest leather ever made by hand of man (presumably). The leather on the steering wheel has been buffed to such a creamy, buttery consistency it feels like it’s been slathered with foie gras. The “ecsaine” headliner made me feel like I was encapsulated within a lamb’s belly. The executive class seating package had me clamoring for warmed nuts and champagne.
The Mark Levinson reference audio system– with enough memory for 2k songs– is astounding. If I owned this car, I’d probably spend more time parked, sitting in the backseat listening to the sound system, than driving it.
I’m not sure how I feel about the infrared sensors that monitor rear-seat passenger’s body temperature, and then adjust the AC to suit. Are brainwave sensors far behind? Scary stuff.
More to the point, what will my fellow pistonheads think of me now? First Porsche’s navigation system makes me pine for BMW’s iDrive. Now, a Lexus LS 460L touring edition tickles my fancy. Oh God, have I become my parents? Listen up Lexus; you need to make these touring packages optional across your line. Even German car lovers will be seduced.
Starting out with the suspension in comfort mode reminded me why I don’t like Japanese luxury sedans: they tend to wallow only slightly less than late ‘70’s American luxobarges. A quick switch to the sport mode neatly transformed the LS into a European-like sedan. The ride quality became firm yet absorbent. The dynamic capabilities ascended from one-handed yachtsmanship to two-handed Teutonic corner carver.
The tweaked LS’ steering now has something approximating heft; you can [even] sense what the front tires are doing during cornering. I don’t get what Lexus are talking about with their “high friction brakes,” but the anchors are plenty powerful and easy to modulate.
Now that I could get past and yes enjoy the LS’ driving experience, I could better appreciate the sybaritic touches.
The luxury package includes the finest, softest leather ever made by hand of man (presumably). The leather on the steering wheel has been buffed to such a creamy, buttery consistency it feels like it’s been slathered with foie gras. The “ecsaine” headliner made me feel like I was encapsulated within a lamb’s belly. The executive class seating package had me clamoring for warmed nuts and champagne.
The Mark Levinson reference audio system– with enough memory for 2k songs– is astounding. If I owned this car, I’d probably spend more time parked, sitting in the backseat listening to the sound system, than driving it.
I’m not sure how I feel about the infrared sensors that monitor rear-seat passenger’s body temperature, and then adjust the AC to suit. Are brainwave sensors far behind? Scary stuff.
More to the point, what will my fellow pistonheads think of me now? First Porsche’s navigation system makes me pine for BMW’s iDrive. Now, a Lexus LS 460L touring edition tickles my fancy. Oh God, have I become my parents? Listen up Lexus; you need to make these touring packages optional across your line. Even German car lovers will be seduced.
06-24-09, 08:16 AM
#56
Super Moderator
^^What they need to do is allow you to combine the Touring Package with the rear-seat upgrade and the Executive Package options. Right now, they don't allow you to do that, You can only have one or the other, so you can never build the "perfect" loaded LS. 
06-24-09, 08:34 AM
#59
Super Moderator
I don't agree that a car is better if it's sportier, especially for this class of cars, it's a matter of preference, not which is better, but I think as a flagship, you should have the flexibility to offer the customers the choice of getting EXACTLY what they want in options.
06-24-09, 08:47 AM
#60
Lexus Test Driver
I totally agree with that statement, the LS have such a nice power train, it can be so much more of a car. Sounds like this sport version will be another half ares attempt to make a full size sport saden. Lexus need to either get serious about getting into the mid size and full size sport sedan market or just stick to their luxury ride theme.