Och

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The M looks good in press photos, but you only need to drive the 5 series once, and then this abortion - and it becomes clear why it's such a flop.

GFerg

IMO, I think Mercedes had more substantial refreshes with the current E-class and previous C-class. Interiors drastically changed, sheetmetal door changes etc.More than just headlight, bumper cover changes and taillight revisions which this looks like to me. Still looks better though.

Also the name change still confuses me too. I have no idea what is what in the line up. All i know is the Q50 because the marketing department actually did their job with that car. The rest? Im oblivious.

MPLexus301

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^I do think the naming scheme will become more clear as models are fully redesigned. To many of us, we first think, "M37/56...oh...Q something....Q70?" because this sheet metal was originally introduced with the M name.

With Q50, I do not think "G" because the car has been Q50 from the start. It's going to be awkward for the next few years, until all models are completely redesigned.

Lex2InfiN

The M became a "flop" due to the 2011 redesign (although you and I both know that was never the case here, as they're everywhere). The M was a sales success with the previous generation and routinely sold as well (sometimes better) than the Lexus GS. They dropped the ball big time when the current generation came out in styling and that's what hurt them. This refresh is a big step up and should help bring sales back up to where they were before 2011.

speedflex

I would say that adding length to an existing car is pretty significant (more than a simple refresh) but I don't think this will spike sales. The competition in the segment is just too powerful right now and Infiniti needs to answer with a brand new product here. It's coming but not soon enough.

LexFather

So you bash the Camry refresh and then call this a big set up? And you expect sales which are around a dismal 400 units a month to go back to 2011 levels which I think were 1200-1500 units a month? Sales are going to quadruple with LEDs, some chrome and a LWB no one will know about.

Sales will stay the same unless they are planning some incredible marketing blitz. Though they did that with the M35h last year during the NCAA tournament and it didn't help one iota.

Lex2InfiN

I didn't say I expect sales to go back up to pre-2011 levels, I said the refresh should help bring sales back up, which they should. This is not just a refresh however, they're also offering a LWB option in the mid-level luxury sedan class - something no one else is currently doing. Offering a full size luxury sedan option in this class certainly will attract buyers looking for something bigger.

Pre-2011 M sales were around 2000/month (give or take) during the 2005-2008 years, as was the case of the previous generation GS.

MPLexus301

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What?

Lex2InfiN

What's so unclear about what I said? I said - help bring, help. Meaning an improvement over current sales numbers.

Vladi

I was not that big fan of a cabin when it debuted because to me it looked like they were still stuck in early 2000s, which of course they were, but now I appreciate it a lot more. It has that SC430 vibe to it.

.... OMG am I just getting older and tad bit nostalgic like everything was better back in the day?

Vh_Supra26

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Lol, 3 years...

2002
GS 17,246 > M 1,010

2003
GS 13,306 > M 4,755

2004
GS 8262 > M 2,090

2005
GS 33,457 > M 24,000

2006
GS 27,390 > M 25,658

2007
23,381 > M 21,884

2008
GS 15,759 > M 15,618

2009
M 8,501 > GS 7,430

2010
M 14,618 > GS 7,059

2011
M 10,818 > GS 3,746

2012
GS 22,160 > M 9,130

2013
GS 19,742 > 5,283

2014 YTD *
GS 5,358 > M 489

Lex2InfiN

Thank you for proving my point with the official sales numbers.
So as I said, the previous generation M & GS had similar sales numbers and the M sometimes outsold the GS.

LexFather

GET OUT OF HERE WITH THOSE FACTS

Vh_Supra26

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Brands as a whole

Infiniti Brand

2002: 87,911
2003: 118,655
2004: 130,980
2005: 136,401
2006: 121,146
2007: 127,037
2008: 112,989
2009: 81,089
2010: 103,411
2011: 98,461
2012: 119,877
2013: 116,455

Acura Brand

2002: 165,552
2003: 170,918
2004: 198,919
2005: 209,610
2006: 201,223
2007: 180,104
2008: 144,504
2009: 105,723
2010: 133,606
2011: 123,299
2012: 156,216
2013: 165,436

Lexus Brand

2002: 234,109
2003: 259,755
2004: 287,927
2005: 302,895
2006: 322,434
2007: 329,177
2008: 260,087
2009: 215,975
2010: 229,329
2011: 198,552
2012: 244,166
2013: 273,847

gymratter

lol at Infiniti sales. its pretty sad when Acura out sales them.