New Audi S4 saloon Starting at $45,900 in USA...(updated)
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New Audi S4 saloon Starting at $45,900 in USA...(updated)
New Audi S4 saloon (2008) CAR review
By Georg Kacher
First drive
21 October 2008 12:30
The new Audi S4 is either Ingolstadt’s idea of a bad joke or a stroke of genius. If you follow the former line of thought, then you’re from the camp that thinks the economy has jumped off a cliff, gone into freefall and the last thing the world needs is a grunty super-saloon.
But if you side with the latter then Audi’s timing with the S4 couldn’t be more apt – the company has replaced its old 4.2-litre V8 with a new, smaller, supercharged V6. This car is potentially very in tune with these downsizing times.
And while the headline power figures might be down, they still surpass the equivalent Mercedes or BMW. The torque figure also bests both (and the old S4), while mpg figures are 26 percent better that before. The new S4 will even cost a few grand less than its predecessor. Time to find out if the drive is as good as the stats...
Start me off with the Audi S4’s new engine – any good?
The big V8 lump from the old car has been dumped, and in comes the direct-injection 2995cc supercharged V6 from the recently revised A6. Only here the 3.0-litre gets a tweak to lift power from 286 to 329bhp, while torque is up from 310 to 325lb ft.
Compared to the old S4’s 344bhp, you might be disappointed that the power figure is down, but then the new car has more torque (versus the old car's 302lb ft) spread across 2900-5300rpm, rather than peaking at 3500rpm. And the new S4 weighs 10kg less, too.
However, this engine doesn’t scream and shout about its power – even Audi’s own PR team admit the S4 is a bit of a whisperer. Personally we’d prefer a more exciting base tune, some more supercharged whine and something to tell us about the top-end fury. Because unlike other blown engines, this S4’s 3.0-litre keeps on going right up the rev range.
That muted sound actually serves to make the S4 seem even quicker than it already is. Tickle the throttle and you’re away – speed is effortless, responses are immediate. The benchmark 0-62mph sprint is dismissed in 5.1 seconds, half a second quicker than the old car, while 50-75mph in fourth gear takes a mere 4.4 seconds.
Is there some trick gearbox to go with the new Audi S4's fancy engine?
A six-speed manual 'box is standard, but some extra cash will buy you the seven-speed dual-clutch S-tronic. The latter offers two modes (Drive and Sport), paddles behind the wheel to change gear, and a fuel economy improvement, upping the figure from 29.1 to 30mpg – that’s 27 percent better than the old S4.
However, the extra gear in the seven-speed ‘box means an extra change is needed to reach 62mph, dropping the benchmark sprint time to 5.3 seconds. The S-tronic box has seamless shifts, without interruption to the torque delivery. It never ceases to amaze.
The only pity about enjoying all this performance is that after 300 miles, we returned the S4 with 17.7mpg on the trip computer, balding Bridgestones and 18-inch wheels caked in brake dust. Still, more sedate everyday driving might bring that claimed 30mpg average figure within reach.
Quattro, I presume, is standard on the new S4?
But of course, with the latest 40:60 front:rear torque split – just make sure you spec the optional sport differential to get the best out of the new S4. It works like the system in BMW's X6, distributing torque between the rear wheels.
But unlike BMW’s trick diff, Audi’s fancy system works under a trailing throttle. So, turn into a corner and torque is sent so the outside rear wheel, reducing understeer, or – if you’re reaching the limit of adhesion – twist action goes to the wheel nearest the apex.
Response times are less than 100 milliseconds and the result is not just more or less understeer, but a nose that turns in and a rear that tracks to match. You can even four-wheel drift if you want, but those who fancy the BMW 335i still might find the S4 a little boring. However, pick a section of twisting Tarmac and the Audi might well be faster than the BMW.
Are the S4's looks too understated?
Of course this is a subjective answer, but while the R8 or blistered-wheelarch RS6 shout money, the S4 is indeed understated, looking no more impressive than a regular A4 adorned with the S-line bodykit.
But the result is a socially acceptable super-saloon, even in the bright red of our test car. Somehow silver wing mirrors, quad exhaust pipes and 18-inch wheels just don't seem too aggressive while the interior is equally restrained, but always cosseting and classy.
Verdict
Match the S4 up against an M3 or C63 and it won’t come out on top. But then these cars aren’t rivals – better to face the S4 off against the 335i and C350. If you do, you’ll find an Audi that’s quicker point-to-point.
But the beauty of the new S4 is in its understated looks – this is a real Q-car, and a bloody quick one too. Some potential customers may actually find it too unassuming, but we rather like it.
Statistics
How much? £36,000
On sale in the UK: March 2009
Engine: 2995cc supercharged V6, 329bhp, 325lb ft @ 2900-5300rpm
Transmission: Six-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Performance: 5.1sec 0-62mph, 155mph, 29.1mpg
How heavy / made of? 1650kg/steel
How big (length/width/height in mm)? 4717/
Car Rating 4/5
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...ontent-block=0
By Georg Kacher
First drive
21 October 2008 12:30
The new Audi S4 is either Ingolstadt’s idea of a bad joke or a stroke of genius. If you follow the former line of thought, then you’re from the camp that thinks the economy has jumped off a cliff, gone into freefall and the last thing the world needs is a grunty super-saloon.
But if you side with the latter then Audi’s timing with the S4 couldn’t be more apt – the company has replaced its old 4.2-litre V8 with a new, smaller, supercharged V6. This car is potentially very in tune with these downsizing times.
And while the headline power figures might be down, they still surpass the equivalent Mercedes or BMW. The torque figure also bests both (and the old S4), while mpg figures are 26 percent better that before. The new S4 will even cost a few grand less than its predecessor. Time to find out if the drive is as good as the stats...
Start me off with the Audi S4’s new engine – any good?
The big V8 lump from the old car has been dumped, and in comes the direct-injection 2995cc supercharged V6 from the recently revised A6. Only here the 3.0-litre gets a tweak to lift power from 286 to 329bhp, while torque is up from 310 to 325lb ft.
Compared to the old S4’s 344bhp, you might be disappointed that the power figure is down, but then the new car has more torque (versus the old car's 302lb ft) spread across 2900-5300rpm, rather than peaking at 3500rpm. And the new S4 weighs 10kg less, too.
However, this engine doesn’t scream and shout about its power – even Audi’s own PR team admit the S4 is a bit of a whisperer. Personally we’d prefer a more exciting base tune, some more supercharged whine and something to tell us about the top-end fury. Because unlike other blown engines, this S4’s 3.0-litre keeps on going right up the rev range.
That muted sound actually serves to make the S4 seem even quicker than it already is. Tickle the throttle and you’re away – speed is effortless, responses are immediate. The benchmark 0-62mph sprint is dismissed in 5.1 seconds, half a second quicker than the old car, while 50-75mph in fourth gear takes a mere 4.4 seconds.
Is there some trick gearbox to go with the new Audi S4's fancy engine?
A six-speed manual 'box is standard, but some extra cash will buy you the seven-speed dual-clutch S-tronic. The latter offers two modes (Drive and Sport), paddles behind the wheel to change gear, and a fuel economy improvement, upping the figure from 29.1 to 30mpg – that’s 27 percent better than the old S4.
However, the extra gear in the seven-speed ‘box means an extra change is needed to reach 62mph, dropping the benchmark sprint time to 5.3 seconds. The S-tronic box has seamless shifts, without interruption to the torque delivery. It never ceases to amaze.
The only pity about enjoying all this performance is that after 300 miles, we returned the S4 with 17.7mpg on the trip computer, balding Bridgestones and 18-inch wheels caked in brake dust. Still, more sedate everyday driving might bring that claimed 30mpg average figure within reach.
Quattro, I presume, is standard on the new S4?
But of course, with the latest 40:60 front:rear torque split – just make sure you spec the optional sport differential to get the best out of the new S4. It works like the system in BMW's X6, distributing torque between the rear wheels.
But unlike BMW’s trick diff, Audi’s fancy system works under a trailing throttle. So, turn into a corner and torque is sent so the outside rear wheel, reducing understeer, or – if you’re reaching the limit of adhesion – twist action goes to the wheel nearest the apex.
Response times are less than 100 milliseconds and the result is not just more or less understeer, but a nose that turns in and a rear that tracks to match. You can even four-wheel drift if you want, but those who fancy the BMW 335i still might find the S4 a little boring. However, pick a section of twisting Tarmac and the Audi might well be faster than the BMW.
Are the S4's looks too understated?
Of course this is a subjective answer, but while the R8 or blistered-wheelarch RS6 shout money, the S4 is indeed understated, looking no more impressive than a regular A4 adorned with the S-line bodykit.
But the result is a socially acceptable super-saloon, even in the bright red of our test car. Somehow silver wing mirrors, quad exhaust pipes and 18-inch wheels just don't seem too aggressive while the interior is equally restrained, but always cosseting and classy.
Verdict
Match the S4 up against an M3 or C63 and it won’t come out on top. But then these cars aren’t rivals – better to face the S4 off against the 335i and C350. If you do, you’ll find an Audi that’s quicker point-to-point.
But the beauty of the new S4 is in its understated looks – this is a real Q-car, and a bloody quick one too. Some potential customers may actually find it too unassuming, but we rather like it.
Statistics
How much? £36,000
On sale in the UK: March 2009
Engine: 2995cc supercharged V6, 329bhp, 325lb ft @ 2900-5300rpm
Transmission: Six-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Performance: 5.1sec 0-62mph, 155mph, 29.1mpg
How heavy / made of? 1650kg/steel
How big (length/width/height in mm)? 4717/
Car Rating 4/5
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...ontent-block=0
10-22-08, 09:41 AM
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1SickLex thanks for posting this up!! 
I think this car is 'spot on' for the times. Yes the engine is smaller than the previous car, but it’s quicker and gets better MPG, aka a win/win in 2008.
I agree the S4 (manual or seven-speed dual-clutch S-tronic) will be a worthy adversary for the 335 and c350.
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I think this car is 'spot on' for the times. Yes the engine is smaller than the previous car, but it’s quicker and gets better MPG, aka a win/win in 2008.
I agree the S4 (manual or seven-speed dual-clutch S-tronic) will be a worthy adversary for the 335 and c350.
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10-22-08, 11:22 AM
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the new 3.2 isn't bad, its better than the previous generation, its got good hp and tq, also has the new audi valve lift system. i got to drive a few of them last month, the dynamic steering is sweet along with the dynamic suspension. however the dynamic suspension is different from what the tt and r8 have, the system is different along with the over all feel of the suspension when its in comfort or sport. i'm looking forward to seeing the new s4!
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1SickLex thanks for posting this up!!
I think this car is 'spot on' for the times. Yes the engine is smaller than the previous car, but it’s quicker and gets better MPG, aka a win/win in 2008.
I agree the S4 (manual or seven-speed dual-clutch S-tronic) will be a worthy adversary for the 335 and c350.
TripleL
I think this car is 'spot on' for the times. Yes the engine is smaller than the previous car, but it’s quicker and gets better MPG, aka a win/win in 2008.
I agree the S4 (manual or seven-speed dual-clutch S-tronic) will be a worthy adversary for the 335 and c350.
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10-22-08, 09:31 PM
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10-23-08, 07:14 AM
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In regards to styling, that car looks like every Audi the past 15 years. THing is, its a good design to stay with and "touch up" and not stray far away from like BMW/Benz have done. The interior also looks like most Audi interiors.
I am sure guys are going to modify this S/C like the old B5.
Overall, great job Audi. My 2nd fav luxury brand behind Lexus!
I am sure guys are going to modify this S/C like the old B5.
Overall, great job Audi. My 2nd fav luxury brand behind Lexus!
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I don't understand why some of you hold 0-60 times and the number of gears in the gearbox as some sort of all-end means to quantifying if a car is great or not. The driving experience is more than just a 0.2-0.3 neglible difference in the sprint to 60. Get out behind your computer screens and go drive the beasts!
As far as Audi styling looking like every Audi in the last 15 years, Audi styling has taken an evolutionary step ever since the TT/R8, and the new A4/A5 are clearly indicitive of that. These cars look better than a comparable IS/TL yet still have interior quality that is among the world's best. Nothing wrong with sticking to your design core and not going off the deep-end (Acura).
As far as Audi styling looking like every Audi in the last 15 years, Audi styling has taken an evolutionary step ever since the TT/R8, and the new A4/A5 are clearly indicitive of that. These cars look better than a comparable IS/TL yet still have interior quality that is among the world's best. Nothing wrong with sticking to your design core and not going off the deep-end (Acura).
10-23-08, 01:57 PM
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As far as Audi styling looking like every Audi in the last 15 years, Audi styling has taken an evolutionary step ever since the TT/R8, and the new A4/A5 are clearly indicitive of that. These cars look better than a comparable IS/TL yet still have interior quality that is among the world's best. Nothing wrong with sticking to your design core and not going off the deep-end (Acura).
As for the A4 looks better than IS and TL, sorry, IMO the IS and previous gen TL are still the best looking entry level lux sedans on the street today. A4 is a distant second though tied with C-class with G and 3er round up the list.
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But of course, with the latest 40:60 front:rear torque split – just make sure you spec the optional sport differential to get the best out of the new S4. It works like the system in BMW's X6, distributing torque between the rear wheels.
But unlike BMW’s trick diff, Audi’s fancy system works under a trailing throttle. So, turn into a corner and torque is sent so the outside rear wheel, reducing understeer, or – if you’re reaching the limit of adhesion – twist action goes to the wheel nearest the apex.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEegeeAKiPc
This is an article on torque vectoring in the X6
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._/ai_n26679014
Lastly this shows how hard it is to flip an X6.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ-VWTdYU0w
Acura's SH-AWD works like you describe.
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SH-AWD is nowhere near as advanced as this latest generation of Quattro (found in the S4). To be fair though, Audi doesn't offer torque-vectoring on their similarly priced (To the TL) A4 models.