View Poll Results: Should Lexus start offering 4 cylinder engines in their lineup?
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Should Lexus start offering 4 cylinders?
05-05-08, 05:00 PM
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while i think acura's BIGGER problem is not offering any v8 at all, them offering 4 cylinders rsx and tsx, that's a problem to begin with as well. it just cheapens the brand, period, especially with the rsx.
yrs ago, bmw wanted to get the crowd, they came up with the 318ti. a lot of my friends called owners of that car posers or wannabe. that was for a reason. and now you don't see that kind of cars from bmw.
at least in my mind, there is a "structure" for luxury vehicles, and none of the corners in that structure could be cut
yrs ago, bmw wanted to get the crowd, they came up with the 318ti. a lot of my friends called owners of that car posers or wannabe. that was for a reason. and now you don't see that kind of cars from bmw.
at least in my mind, there is a "structure" for luxury vehicles, and none of the corners in that structure could be cut
Kia
Toyota
Nissan
Honda
Acura
Hyundai
Mini
etc etc etc.
See the problem?
4 cylinder= economy, PERIOD. Can you make some stellar 4 cylinders? Hell yes you can.
05-05-08, 05:10 PM
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Think outside the box.
....Remember it used to be everything V8. That means performance and prestige. Look where that got us.
....Remember it used to be everything V8. That means performance and prestige. Look where that got us.
05-05-08, 05:17 PM
#33
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I think Lexus should offer IS200, GS250, LS350, etc. but only OUTSIDE the US market, not necessarily for fuel economy reasons but for tax reasons because people in most other markets are taxed by engine displacements. Most people buy luxury cars for status, safety and luxury amenities and need only adequate performance in acceleration. Lexus is at a serious disadvantage in those markets.Well it is still running on the road. The damage is already done really.
05-05-08, 05:40 PM
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I think Lexus should offer IS200, GS250, LS350, etc. but only OUTSIDE the US market, not necessarily for fuel economy reasons but for tax reasons because people in most other markets are taxed by engine displacements. Most people buy luxury cars for status, safety and luxury amenities and need only adequate performance in acceleration. Lexus is at a serious disadvantage in those markets.Well it is still running on the road. The damage is already done really.
As one that gets EVO/Top Gear/CAR and assorted Euro mags, its AMAZING the different versions of one car they sell in Europe.
05-05-08, 05:47 PM
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Audi A4 ~ 2.0L T with DI (Quattro)
200 hp, 207 trqs
6 MT - 20/31
6AT 19/27 (21/30 for the FWD)
0 - 60 in 7.3 seconds
Lexus IS250 ~ 2.5L with DI
204 hp, 184 trqs.
6 MT - 18/26 (0-60 in 7.9 seconds)
6 AT - 21/29 (0-60 in 7.9 seconds)
6 AT - 20/26 (AWD, 0-60 in 8.3 seconds)
But the A4 isn't luxury should be in the ranks of a Kia, Honda, or Nissan?
200 hp, 207 trqs
6 MT - 20/31
6AT 19/27 (21/30 for the FWD)
0 - 60 in 7.3 seconds
Lexus IS250 ~ 2.5L with DI
204 hp, 184 trqs.
6 MT - 18/26 (0-60 in 7.9 seconds)
6 AT - 21/29 (0-60 in 7.9 seconds)
6 AT - 20/26 (AWD, 0-60 in 8.3 seconds)
But the A4 isn't luxury should be in the ranks of a Kia, Honda, or Nissan?
05-05-08, 05:53 PM
#36
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from the posts i read above, some said LS should be available in 6 cylinders. ok, why not 4? some 4 cylinders (with FI by all means) can get up to 300 horses no problem and still being reliable. put that in the LS and the car will go just fine. so, are you saying the LS should be in 4 cylinders as well? do you find it sound somewhat funny? if yes, ask why. if no, then we agree to disagree
05-05-08, 05:54 PM
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You can get smaller engine economy with bigger engine performance. No one else can figure that out.
TO me THAT is luxury. Not dumbing down your luxury lineup with tons of 4 cylinders.
You want 35MPG, you can get a Camry Hybrid. You want 25 MPG, RWD, top luxury and sport, you can get the GS 450h.
Its just a matter of time ES/GX/LX etc hybrids come along.
05-05-08, 05:54 PM
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for those saying that fuel efficiency is just an afterthought in this class or brand, explain why lexus offers hybrids.
05-05-08, 05:57 PM
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Audi A4 ~ 2.0L T with DI (Quattro)
200 hp, 207 trqs
6 MT - 20/31
6AT 19/27 (21/30 for the FWD)
0 - 60 in 7.3 seconds
Lexus IS250 ~ 2.5L with DI
204 hp, 184 trqs.
6 MT - 18/26 (0-60 in 7.9 seconds)
6 AT - 21/29 (0-60 in 7.9 seconds)
6 AT - 20/26 (AWD, 0-60 in 8.3 seconds)
But the A4 isn't luxury should be in the ranks of a Kia, Honda, or Nissan?
200 hp, 207 trqs
6 MT - 20/31
6AT 19/27 (21/30 for the FWD)
0 - 60 in 7.3 seconds
Lexus IS250 ~ 2.5L with DI
204 hp, 184 trqs.
6 MT - 18/26 (0-60 in 7.9 seconds)
6 AT - 21/29 (0-60 in 7.9 seconds)
6 AT - 20/26 (AWD, 0-60 in 8.3 seconds)
But the A4 isn't luxury should be in the ranks of a Kia, Honda, or Nissan?
You can get AWD, a V-6, AWD and a 340hp V-8, and RWD biased AWD and a 420hp V-8.
05-05-08, 05:58 PM
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Lexus has, more than ANYONE with HYBRIDS.
You can get smaller engine economy with bigger engine performance. No one else can figure that out.
TO me THAT is luxury. Not dumbing down your luxury lineup with tons of 4 cylinders.
You want 35MPG, you can get a Camry Hybrid. You want 25 MPG, RWD, top luxury and sport, you can get the GS 450h.
Its just a matter of time ES/GX/LX etc hybrids come along.
You can get smaller engine economy with bigger engine performance. No one else can figure that out.
TO me THAT is luxury. Not dumbing down your luxury lineup with tons of 4 cylinders.
You want 35MPG, you can get a Camry Hybrid. You want 25 MPG, RWD, top luxury and sport, you can get the GS 450h.
Its just a matter of time ES/GX/LX etc hybrids come along.
What if I want more luxury than Camry hybrid, but I don't need the speed of a GSh, nor do I want to pay for it and perhaps I wanna to minimize the amount of oil I consume? Then what?
05-05-08, 05:58 PM
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Because it is part of the Toyota corporate structure, that's why. Toyota, long ago, chose hybrids over diesels as a way of getting better mileage, although the Lexus hybrids emphasize performance more so than straight mileage.
05-05-08, 05:59 PM
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Look again, I included AWD. I was doing a comparison of the 4 cylinder model with the base IS. I don't care about a V6 or V8 in this comparison.
05-05-08, 06:00 PM
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If Lexus is to compete in emerging markets like in Asia it would serve them well if they offered 4 cylinder cars. Benz and BMW here in PI offer 4 bangers for their C-Classes and 3 Series, even the S-Class here is only an S350.
05-05-08, 06:01 PM
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Well today both brands are much heavier. Lexus has hybrid technology showing they are at the FOREFRONT with automotive tech. It shows you can both have fun (Performance) and responsibility (higher MPG/cleaner emissions). So some of it is to help with having cars with higher MPG, the other part is to show Lexus is a technology leader.
They still sell in very small numbers though. For the average luxury car buyer, MPG is NOT the main reason to purchase the car. Prestige, luxury, looks, performance, sport, quality are the usual reasons.
05-05-08, 06:03 PM
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I see your argument
but you cannot forget that the A4 offers multiple drivetrains and engines, whereas say the TSX is a Euro Accord with only FWD and only an I-4.