BMW 135i test drive
03-27-08, 09:58 PM
#46
The true facts are Lexus in general is more reliable than BMW. BMW itself is less reliable, but in no way unreliable. BMW's are not breaking down and leaving you stranded on the road every week. In fact, that chance is low. It will have issues, but mostly little annoying issues.
(no need to explain
03-27-08, 10:50 PM
#48
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Mike, Let's be clear here,
1. I am a BMW fan (yes, I like their cars a lot)
2. I am not oblivious to their issues (my 550 has had several)
3. I sure hope that I have never portrayed their cars as totally reliable. But they are not the POS that many members of this board make them out to be. The fact is they are above average and the people here on CL tend to think they are worse than a Land Rover.
Every high tech car has issues - yes even Lexus now. You can't get away from it, the more technology a car has, the more issues it will have. Now that Lexus cars have serious technology, they are having serious issues. Welcome to the BMW/MB club
Agreed - they purchase them for other reasons. But people who shy away from them because "BMWs are not reliable" are misinformed.
60%+ I believe is the number. Anybody know what the Lexus# is?
Please don't confuse maintenance with reliability.....
A big part of owning a luxury car is the scary maintenance bills (trust me I know, I owned two Lexus vehicles at one time). With a BMW this is not a worry. But seriously, if you wanted to combine Maintenance with reliability, the worst thing BMW did was include their maintenance as they increased service intervals with the introduction of free maintenance and we all know that that does NOT help reliability...
Once again, I think we know each other pretty well, so I'm going to assume that you are not talking about me here - cause I know you would call me out on this if I ever did it.
No, but my BMW vehicles have never stranded me - as opposed to my wife's RX300 that left her stranded
No way, my 1977 Pontiac LeMans was worse than my GS430....
Very true.
Let's be real here, B is the more probable answer - very few of us here would argue that a BMW will be less troublesome in the long run. But I can purchase an extended warranty OR maintenance on my BMW at the 3.5 year mark through BMW as a current owner. I'm not sure Lexus offers that (and maybe they don't need to).
Agreed.
In the end here, my comment was about the people on this board who continually bash BMWs because of their horrible reliability e.g. " my roommate had a 3-series and it was always in the shop"......
The fact is, they are more reliable than most people here give them credit for.
Another fact is that a similar Lexus vehicle will be more reliable. I don't argue this - but what I do argue is when someone claims that "Lexus has no issues and will run forever." As mentioned, Lexus vehicles are getting more and more technology and therefore have more and more issues. They are FAR from perfect although probably one of the better attempts at making a car bulletproof (my experiences notwithstanding).
1. I am a BMW fan (yes, I like their cars a lot)
2. I am not oblivious to their issues (my 550 has had several)
3. I sure hope that I have never portrayed their cars as totally reliable. But they are not the POS that many members of this board make them out to be. The fact is they are above average and the people here on CL tend to think they are worse than a Land Rover.
Every high tech car has issues - yes even Lexus now. You can't get away from it, the more technology a car has, the more issues it will have. Now that Lexus cars have serious technology, they are having serious issues. Welcome to the BMW/MB club
Agreed - they purchase them for other reasons. But people who shy away from them because "BMWs are not reliable" are misinformed.
60%+ I believe is the number. Anybody know what the Lexus# is?
Please don't confuse maintenance with reliability.....
A big part of owning a luxury car is the scary maintenance bills (trust me I know, I owned two Lexus vehicles at one time). With a BMW this is not a worry. But seriously, if you wanted to combine Maintenance with reliability, the worst thing BMW did was include their maintenance as they increased service intervals with the introduction of free maintenance and we all know that that does NOT help reliability...
Once again, I think we know each other pretty well, so I'm going to assume that you are not talking about me here - cause I know you would call me out on this if I ever did it.
No, but my BMW vehicles have never stranded me - as opposed to my wife's RX300 that left her stranded
No way, my 1977 Pontiac LeMans was worse than my GS430....
Very true.
Let's be real here, B is the more probable answer - very few of us here would argue that a BMW will be less troublesome in the long run. But I can purchase an extended warranty OR maintenance on my BMW at the 3.5 year mark through BMW as a current owner. I'm not sure Lexus offers that (and maybe they don't need to).
Agreed.
In the end here, my comment was about the people on this board who continually bash BMWs because of their horrible reliability e.g. " my roommate had a 3-series and it was always in the shop"......
The fact is, they are more reliable than most people here give them credit for.
Another fact is that a similar Lexus vehicle will be more reliable. I don't argue this - but what I do argue is when someone claims that "Lexus has no issues and will run forever." As mentioned, Lexus vehicles are getting more and more technology and therefore have more and more issues. They are FAR from perfect although probably one of the better attempts at making a car bulletproof (my experiences notwithstanding).
I read over on FerrariChat and its amazing the amount of people that have owned or own a Lexus. While 99% of them see them as appliances, they agree they were the most trouble free cars they owned/own.
03-27-08, 10:58 PM
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Honestly your logic just doesn't make sense to me here. You're saying because BMW includes free maintenance for the first 50k miles that's a bad indication of their reliability. I say it's just a nice perk of ownership. If Lexus did that too I think it'd be great, though it would hurt their dealer profits pretty badly since the dealers make a killing on maintenance.
Similarly, if Lexus bumped their bumper to bumper warranty to 8 years 100k miles would you say that is in indication that they have poor reliability? I'd say exactly the opposite... they're so confident in their cars that they're willing to vouch for them and cover the cost of repairs up until that point. Similarly BMW covering maintenance makes me feel similarly.
Another tactic brands with unreliable cars or even PERCEPTIONS use is now the 100k warrenty. Hyundai I believe was first, then I think Chrsyler and maybe a couple other followed suit.
They had to do something to CONVINCE customers that we MAYBE unreliable compared to the quality leaders but hey, look at that warrenty or free maintenance.
I believe many of us here agree, if you are interested in leasing, its just hard to beat a BMW. Best lease rates and free maintenance.
What year did they start free maintenance?
Lexus doesn't HAVE to offer a longer warrenty or maintenance perk b/c historically they are the most reliable brand and people buy a Lexus for this fact/perception. Lexus could have a 1 year 10k warrenty and people would buy them b/c they feel it won't break down anyway.
I am not saying free maintenance is not a WONDERFUL perk of ownership, however why offer it when its costly to you and your dealers and your profits keep dipping?
What year did Audi quit free maintenance?
03-28-08, 02:53 AM
#51
Ok, so last weekend I went to a local BMW dealer and they had a 135 demo there, I sat in it and looked it over and it was ok. I had seen it back in January at a car show and thought nothing of it and still dont think much of it now. The rear leg room isn't THAT bad for a car that size; I mean it doesnt seem much smaller than an IS's rear seat... BTW the sticker on this car was a little over $40k with no iDrive; didnt pay attention too closely to the options though so not sure exactly what it had.
The dealer did have two nice M3s, however, black E90 and white E92; love the E90 but still can't say I like the E92, though it is better looking than the standard E92.
03-28-08, 06:36 AM
#52
The 135 is very close in size to the E46 3 series. Pictures make it appear smaller than it is... Here are both cars side by side
More here..
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...ht=bmw+135+e46
More here..
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...ht=bmw+135+e46
03-28-08, 07:09 AM
#53
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03-29-08, 09:35 AM
#59
Very LOL, particularly when the N54 is getting the nickname of "The Oil Cooker" over at BITOG:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...&Number=981162
03-30-08, 04:13 AM
#60
I finally got to see and sit in the 135 at the NYIAS. Very impressed!This car is suprisingly bigger than I thought.
It is as big inside as an E46 M3 and the legroom is more than enough for my 6'4 frame. This no is no Mini Cooper exterior wise. Check it out for yourselves for sure.
It is as big inside as an E46 M3 and the legroom is more than enough for my 6'4 frame. This no is no Mini Cooper exterior wise. Check it out for yourselves for sure.
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