View Poll Results: Which one do you want to see the new version the most?
Mazda RX-7
26
16.46%
Honda NSX
59
37.34%
Honda CRX
4
2.53%
Toyota Corolla Trueno/Levin
10
6.33%
Toyota Supra
98
62.03%
Mitsubishi 3000GT
12
7.59%
Nissan Silvia/240SX
18
11.39%
Toyota MR2
25
15.82%
Others, please specify
8
5.06%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 158. You may not vote on this poll
Which sports car do you want to see it resurrecting the most?
#46
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Hmm, I doubt it personally. My cousin, well, actually my cousins husband is a manager in the main parts department at the Torrance facility and he hasn't heard anything. He knows I used to own an NSX and I am a big fan of it and I ask him about it all the time. However, if it is true about the mid engine part, thank God and I say Honda should have just listened to us in the first place. Those idiots.
#47
Lexus Champion
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Hmm, I doubt it personally. My cousin, well, actually my cousins husband is a manager in the main parts department at the Torrance facility and he hasn't heard anything. He knows I used to own an NSX and I am a big fan of it and I ask him about it all the time. However, if it is true about the mid engine part, thank God and I say Honda should have just listened to us in the first place. Those idiots.
#49
not too interested in a nsx. it would be nice i guess but does the world need another r8 or lf-a? same for the supra. those cars are too much about ego. id rather see a new nsx than supra though; people love how the supra takes to mods but a new supra wouldnt be that way. the world could use a reasonably priced supercar though, but im not sure acura could pull it off. especially if nissan cant (based off gtr prices)
so i voted crx, mr2. those cars would be built to hit the market. the last mr2 had a sequential transmission. it would be good to see them pick it up from where they left off. maybe with the 2GR-FSE with DSG on it. rear drive, open top...
the crx would be a good addition too. it could compete with the scions. honda does 4cyl fwd sports compacts well
so i voted crx, mr2. those cars would be built to hit the market. the last mr2 had a sequential transmission. it would be good to see them pick it up from where they left off. maybe with the 2GR-FSE with DSG on it. rear drive, open top...
the crx would be a good addition too. it could compete with the scions. honda does 4cyl fwd sports compacts well
#50
I'd love to see a new Supra, rwd Corolla (Trueno/Levin) hatch, MR2 or a Celica close in style to the original early 70s model. Also wouldn't mind seeing a new 240SX hatch to replace my DD.
The less electronics, the better. For instance, no drive-by-wires. Just don't like how it feels when I'm driving my IS. No ESC, DSC or any type of driver aids besides ABS.
My ideal Corolla or 240SX as DD:
Hot engine with cable throttle, not dbw
Power steering, power locks
4 wheel disc brakes, ABS, LSD
Hard top (no sun/moonroof) <-- light weight
Manual windows <-- light weight, longer lasting
The less electronics, the better. For instance, no drive-by-wires. Just don't like how it feels when I'm driving my IS. No ESC, DSC or any type of driver aids besides ABS.
My ideal Corolla or 240SX as DD:
Hot engine with cable throttle, not dbw
Power steering, power locks
4 wheel disc brakes, ABS, LSD
Hard top (no sun/moonroof) <-- light weight
Manual windows <-- light weight, longer lasting
Last edited by dsp979; 02-08-08 at 09:25 PM.
#54
The TT Supra of old was a beast, but the NEW Supra Hybrid should be worth the wait. Hopefully, we'll see something by 2010
#55
Out of Warranty
The Supra, NSX, and RX* were modern interpretations of the sports car for three different market levels. For me, the rest are simply family sedans with a few go-fast parts hung on them. That is more like the '60's "muscle car" concept (minus of course the massive torque and noise). Most of today's cars that carry the sporting image are either overwrought boulevardiers, or stripped out sedans. Neither, IMHO, are worthy successors to the Alfas, Lotuses, Lancias, Morgans, even the TRs and MGs of the '50's and '60's that defined the genera.
I'm determinedly old-school on the definition of a sports car. The criteria are pretty simple:
But then at this point in my life, so am I.
I'm determinedly old-school on the definition of a sports car. The criteria are pretty simple:
- First and foremost, it is light weight. This single feature contributes to everything else. At minimal weight, it goes, stops, and changes direction crisply and quickly. Without power assisted everything, the tactile connection to the road is simple and direct. It seats two - er, rather intimately. Sports cars are not mommy vans, family trucksters, or by any measure, practical transportation. They are about romance.
- It is red, or blue, or yellow, or green, maybe silver - any of the traditional primary racing colors will do just fine. A good part of the sports car ethos has to do with tradition, breeding . . . and metallics or pastels are out of the question. Black is gauche, and white, insipid.
- It is quick, not just fast. Fast is a function of torque and the driver's willingness to kill himself, Quick means sharp responses to control inputs, the ability to flick from apex to apex effortlessly, without drama. It is responsive without being twitchy, earnest without being overpowering.
- It is relatively simple. Colin Chapman who was responsible for defining much of the breeding of the sports car, believed that if something didn't make it go faster on the track, it was eliminated. He once noted that the ideal racing car would fall apart as it crossed the finish line, because anything more was too conservative and excessively heavy, meaning it was not as quick as it could have been. While a bit extreme for a road-going car, he had the concept clearly in mind.
- It is a roadster (a hard top being heavy, adding mass well above the roll center). It is RWD only, AWD is interesting but excessively heavy. FWD - are you kidding? It is a free-breathing naturally aspirated inline 4 or 6, driving through a mechanical clutch and manual close-ration gearbox to a preferably independently-sprung rear end. Whether front or mid-engined, it achieves a near perfect 50-50 weight distribution. Brakes are massively capable and beautifully balanced.
- It has above all else, a soul. You know that even before you squeeze inside, depress the delicate clutch pedal, wiggle the shifter and touch the starter button - this is not a machine, but a living creature. It is not an appliance to be wielded, but a partner in your adventure. It is an experience to be heard, felt, smelled, and savored, from the whirr and clatter of the timing chain and valve tappets, to the scent of Castrol, the sharp bark of the exhaust that rises to a wail up through the gears, and crackles on the overrun. Who needs a sound system? This is a symphony for pistons and camshafts playing all around you.
It is a soft autumn morning, or a brilliant spring day, it is a warm summer night that always ends at an out-of-the-way inn where the two of you enjoy a light dinner and a glass of fine wine. As a mindset, it is an adventure shared between you and your lady, and your mechanical companion, now quietly ticking away the heat of the day's journey out on the paddock. It is the memory of two lanes of winding blacktop, beautiful vistas, and a shared relationship.
But then at this point in my life, so am I.
Last edited by Lil4X; 06-25-08 at 08:28 AM.
#57
The TT Supra of old was a beast, but the NEW Supra Hybrid should be worth the wait. Hopefully, we'll see something by 2010
In 1988 my dad was thrilled by the Honda Prelude. He hasn't had a true sports car since then. However, with his back problems I wonder if a Supra would do him good.
#58
hmmmmm....wow, nothing on this list i care for. maaybe the NSX. yah, thats about it.
supra? go get a G37. those two are nearly identical cars. corolla? seriously? 240sx? the one replaced by the 300zx? yah...
supra? go get a G37. those two are nearly identical cars. corolla? seriously? 240sx? the one replaced by the 300zx? yah...
#59
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I'd like an RX-7 if you can get a LS9 in it If its got a rotary, you can hang it up.
Yes, we want to substitute a turbocharged behemoth in the Supra with a Nissan that can't even outrun it 15 years later. Thats EXACTLY what we had in mind. The G37 can't even outrun the IS350 and when the IS350 coupe comes out, you can hang it up.
The RWD Corollas were fun cars to drive, they weighed very little and had a great engine.
The 2nd gen 300zx (Z32) was in the running AT THE SAME TIME as the 240sx. In fact, when the Z32 was killed off in 1996, the 240sx was remodeled into a pretty sexy car and was sold until 1998. So which car replaced which again? The 240sx is a much better platform for a tuner car than the 300zx and 350z. It weighs less, its dirt cheap, is very fun to drive, has a huge parts bin, and has an ENORMOUS amount of engine swap options available.
I believe you're thinking of the 240Z or at least the old Datsun Zs. Which they too have a load of aftermarket potential and are fun cars to drive.
Yes, we want to substitute a turbocharged behemoth in the Supra with a Nissan that can't even outrun it 15 years later. Thats EXACTLY what we had in mind. The G37 can't even outrun the IS350 and when the IS350 coupe comes out, you can hang it up.
The RWD Corollas were fun cars to drive, they weighed very little and had a great engine.
The 2nd gen 300zx (Z32) was in the running AT THE SAME TIME as the 240sx. In fact, when the Z32 was killed off in 1996, the 240sx was remodeled into a pretty sexy car and was sold until 1998. So which car replaced which again? The 240sx is a much better platform for a tuner car than the 300zx and 350z. It weighs less, its dirt cheap, is very fun to drive, has a huge parts bin, and has an ENORMOUS amount of engine swap options available.
I believe you're thinking of the 240Z or at least the old Datsun Zs. Which they too have a load of aftermarket potential and are fun cars to drive.
Last edited by Bean; 06-25-08 at 11:41 AM.
#60
I'd like an RX-7 if you can get a LS9 in it If its got a rotary, you can hang it up.
Yes, we want to substitute a turbocharged behemoth in the Supra with a Nissan that can't even outrun it 15 years later. Thats EXACTLY what we had in mind. The G37 can't even outrun the IS350 and when the IS350 coupe comes out, you can hang it up.
The RWD Corollas were fun cars to drive, they weighed very little and had a great engine.
The 2nd gen 300zx (Z32) was in the running AT THE SAME TIME as the 240sx. In fact, when the Z32 was killed off in 1996, the 240sx was remodeled into a pretty sexy car and was sold until 1998. So which car replaced which again? The 240sx is a much better platform for a tuner car than the 300zx and 350z. It weighs less, its dirt cheap, is very fun to drive, has a huge parts bin, and has an ENORMOUS amount of engine swap options available.
I believe you're thinking of the 240Z or at least the old Datsun Zs. Which they too have a load of aftermarket potential and are fun cars to drive.
Yes, we want to substitute a turbocharged behemoth in the Supra with a Nissan that can't even outrun it 15 years later. Thats EXACTLY what we had in mind. The G37 can't even outrun the IS350 and when the IS350 coupe comes out, you can hang it up.
The RWD Corollas were fun cars to drive, they weighed very little and had a great engine.
The 2nd gen 300zx (Z32) was in the running AT THE SAME TIME as the 240sx. In fact, when the Z32 was killed off in 1996, the 240sx was remodeled into a pretty sexy car and was sold until 1998. So which car replaced which again? The 240sx is a much better platform for a tuner car than the 300zx and 350z. It weighs less, its dirt cheap, is very fun to drive, has a huge parts bin, and has an ENORMOUS amount of engine swap options available.
I believe you're thinking of the 240Z or at least the old Datsun Zs. Which they too have a load of aftermarket potential and are fun cars to drive.
so the question is, why would you resurrect a sports car only to do an engine swap on it? you waste all that time and money because you got the wrong car to begin with.
and let me know when the IS350 coupe comes out. also, let me know if it comes with a 6MT.