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Old 01-29-08, 07:01 AM
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Default EPA Asks Auto Makers to End Horsepower War

EPA Asks Auto Makers to End Horsepower War

By James M. Amend
WardsAuto.com, Jan 25, 2008 10:21 AM


600-hp ’08 Dodge Viper (top) and 620-hp ’09 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 examples of fuel gulpers at Detroit auto show.


DETROIT – A top-ranking Environmental Protection Agency official is urging the auto industry to call a truce over ongoing horsepower wars and refocus its efforts on a contest to determine the world’s greenest manufacturer.

The EPA recently received the go-ahead from Congress to regulate greenhouse-gas emissions from vehicles.

Margo Oge, EPA director-office of transportation and air quality, says in her appeal that auto makers have proven themselves technology leaders in the past and suggests they now should turn to a rising wave of young, green-thinking leaders to meet the challenge of higher corporate fuel economy standards.

“We must bring about an end to the horsepower arms race among auto makers and replace it with another different kind of a race, a race to produce the most affordable and desirable, low carbon-vehicle each year,” Oge says during an address to the Automotive News World Congress here, an annual gathering of auto industry leaders.

Auto makers likely would find it difficult to deny their ongoing horsepower rivalry. Despite the environmentally friendly theme of last week’s North American International Auto Show in Detroit, there was a plethora of passenger cars, pickups and SUVs boasting increased power.

For example, General Motors Corp. unveiled the Cadillac Provoq, an electrically driven concept vehicle that leverages an emissions-free hydrogen fuel cell to extend its range. Sharing the same stage was the ’09 Cadillac CTS-V production car, a sports sedan that boasts a 550-hp V-8 gasoline engine.

GM also showed the ’09 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1, a 620-hp fuel gulper that trumped the 600-hp ’08 Dodge Viper on display at Chrysler LLC’s exhibit.

Chrysler also unveiled the redesigned ’09 Dodge Ram fullsize pickup that includes an upgraded 380-hp Hemi V-8. Ford Motor Co. revealed its ’09 Ford F-150, which it promises will make more horsepower than its predecessor.

Nevertheless, both Ford and Chrysler pledge better fuel economy from their new pickups, and nearly every auto maker on the floor exhibited some form of fuel-saving technology.

That fact wasn’t lost on Oge, a native of Greece and an engineer by trade, who says she saw many examples of current and green powertrain technologies at the show.

“Smog-producing emissions from new vehicles are almost practically zero,” she admits. However, “I believe the one set of product plans automotive engineers must (include) with every new model is, ‘How can I make this produce fewer greenhouse-gas emissions?’”

Oge goes so far as to suggest a green race among auto makers could create another industrial revolution.

“Technological innovation has always led to the transformation and growth of our economy,” she says. “Go back to the second industrial revolution in the mid-19th Century, (which) brought forth clusters of innovation in the U.S. In those days, the mantle of innovation in startups in the U.S. was in the Great Lakes and Ohio River Valley.”

Innovations in power generation, such as the steam engine and internal combustion engine, sped development of the steel and chemical industries, which in turn spurred economic growth.

“These innovations helped transform the U.S. from a country where the per capita was only $600 in the 1900s to a country where by the 1950s the per capita increased to $8,000,” Oge says.

She cites a similar circumstance during the nation’s third industrial revolution, when Silicon Valley’s microchip boom helped transform and grow related industries such as telecommunications, biotechnology and clean-energy technology. It pushed annual per capita income to more than $35,000 annually.

“In each of these revolutions, our country’s brightest talent was drawn to those industries, and as result our nation’s economy grew significantly,” Oge says. “Transportation could reclaim the mantle of the country’s economic growth over the next decade if the right investments are made.”

That means investment in green-thinking leaders, Oge suggests. She sees an intense environmental movement under way among younger, college-educated Americans, and the auto industry should take advantage of their passion.

“(They) want to create an energy technology revolution,” Oge tells the conference. “But it’s up to you to make those investments and push the technologies to create this kind of revolution.

“If there’s any doubt in this fact, we only need to look at the direction the capital markets are taking and where they are placing their bets,” Oge adds, noting a recent study from the National Venture Capital Assn. that finds 20% of global investors plan to focus on environmental and green- energy sectors over the next five years.

“Today, the fastest growing area of venture capital in Silicon Valley is no longer in software,” she says. “It’s in clean-energy technology. So it can be done. We know a great deal of progress can be made in the near term.”

Oge also reminds that the energy bill signed into law by President Bush late last year not only challenges the auto industry to improve fuel economy 40% over the next 12 years, but also makes available $25 billion in funding to retool plants for more fuel-efficient vehicles and to research diesel and hybrid technologies.

There is growing demand by car buyers seeking more-efficient vehicles, she adds, pointing to a recent Consumer Reports study that finds 70% of respondents would pay extra for a vehicle with greater fuel economy.

However, another CR survey from 2007 said that although American car buyers want more fuel-efficient vehicles, their desire waned when asked if they would sacrifice attributes such as performance and vehicle size for better fuel economy.

Oge believes the scene is set for the auto industry to recapture its former glory through the new fuel rules and perhaps even save the planet, which faces the darkest effects of climate change if CO2 emissions are not trimmed 50%-80% by 2050.

“The resolve has been that we Americans enjoy the greatest freedom of mobility in the world, and now the best science is telling us we humans must change,” she says, noting the transportation sector accounts for two-thirds of oil consumption and about one-third of greenhouse-gas emissions.

“Carbon emissions must be reduced, and we must begin now. It can be done, and this country and Detroit can become the epicenter for the next great industrial revolution and engine for economic growth.”

The veteran environmental advisor also reports the EPA recently completed the first draft of a plan to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions in the transportation industry.

Adhering to a request last year from Bush to find ways to improve fuel economy by 4% annually beginning in 2001, the EPA worked with the National Highway Traffic Safety Admin. and the U.S. Department of Energy to draw up a detailed technical and cost analysis of various emissions-reduction scenarios.

Using what Oge calls “the best and most recent data on technologies and cost,” the analysis found opportunities in the near and mid-term to save oil, as well as achieve CAFE of close to 35 mpg (6.7 L/100 km) by 2018, plus trim emissions without removing weight or performance from existing vehicles.

Oge concedes the EPA’s analysis allows for some modifications to vehicle air-conditioning systems and notes the study addresses low-carbon fuels in addition to transportation emissions.

Among automotive regulations, it proposes separate emissions standards for passenger cars and light trucks that would be averaged to achieve a single fleet number.

Oge declines to offer a timetable for the DOE to review the EPA findings, or when they might be released for public comment. She additionally characterizes ethanol biofuels as a “bridge” to hybrids and thinks diesel engines will compete “very well” in the U.S. in the future.
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hah.



right-o.
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But overall, aren't most auto companies making more fuel efficient models/engines in general?

I mean, aren't the 95% of "functional" vehicles out there (such as the F150 or Camry, not Corvettes or Vipers) more efficient than what they were, say 10-20 years ago?
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Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT
But overall, aren't most auto companies making more fuel efficient models/engines in general?

I mean, aren't the 95% of "functional" vehicles out there (such as the F150 or Camry, not Corvettes or Vipers) more efficient than what they were, say 10-20 years ago?

most definitely...


even the corvette gets like 25mpg on the freeway while giving us 400HP. i mean come on.
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if there is demand for High HP ( like from us ), there will be more high HP cars coming out.
Hell, Camry V6 and Accord V6 can make more power than 1UZFE and 2JZGE and liky smoke older V8 lexus and still achieve good MPG!!!
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Power alone is not the problem. It is the USE of that power by immature, reckless, and irresponsible drivers that wrecks vehicles and hurts or kills people. For example, I have been driving for 40 years and have driven everything from 40 HP air-cooled Beetles to 400 HP-plus sports and supercars. In that time, despite a couple of minor accidents, I have never seriously wrecked a car or hurt anyone....because I was, and am, a responsible driver.

While the EPA has a point that HP/torque levels in some vehicles, such as Mercedes AMGs, are getting simply absurd, the main problem is that too many drivers simply don't listen to warnings about speed and alcohol, and think they are invincible and that nothing will happen to them. It is not a power problem but an ATTITUDE problem......the idea that traffic laws don't apply to them, and the fact that judges don't pull enough licenses soon enough after multiple speeding and DWI infractions or lock up people caught driving with suspended or revoked licenses.
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they're assuming it's a huge problem which it isn't...

how many people actually buy those high end high horsepower cars? I can promise you it's a lot less than the people buying the gas guzzling SUVs.

those high horsepower cars are expensive and i dont think they'll sell so many as which to cause a major issue.
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perhaps the the EPA should give automakers like an award for being the greenest car company. maybe like 100 million to fund research for more fuel efficient vehicles. that should attract some automakers into doing what we need to do soon.
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Originally Posted by jracerlmn
they're assuming it's a huge problem which it isn't...

how many people actually buy those high end high horsepower cars? I can promise you it's a lot less than the people buying the gas guzzling SUVs.

those high horsepower cars are expensive and i dont think they'll sell so many as which to cause a major issue.
not to mention if a city has a terrible highway system, that just causes more pollution and wasted fuel that there needs to be vs a good hwy system, lot of factors.
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ban gas guzzling SUVs!!!
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Originally Posted by blacksc400
ban gas guzzling SUVs!!!
I don't think you can ever ban SUVs; they have a function.

However, a single person using an SUV as a daily driver with no intent of ever hauling anything is a pure waste. I think that the movement from SUVs to crossovers is an "awakening" for most people...
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Originally Posted by blacksc400
ban gas guzzling SUVs!!!
Another stereotype. Not all SUV's are "gas-guzzlers" by any means. Some, like the Forester, RAV4, Outlander and CR-V, are small, car-based, and have low-powered four-cylinder engines. And plenty of non-SUV's use their share of gas as well....ask any owner of a high-line Mercedes or BMW, especially the V12's.
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I am all for making SUVs and Pickups lighter and more fuel efficient. If that means they get smaller with less power then that is a good thing. I am even for making popular family sedans lighter and more fuel efficient, if that means making them a little smaller and either keeping the horsepower where it is or lowering it a little bit then that is fine as Honda Acords, Toyota Camries, Avalons, Nissan Altimas, Chevy Malibus, Ford Taurus, Mazda 6 do not need 270hp+ engines, 250hp is more then enough for these cars. They are all getting too big and heavy which means they need more power and are limited for fuel economy. If auto companies focused more on lightning up the cars and making them a little smaller then there would be no need for the big bumps in horsepower. A new smaller Accord weighing 3100-3200lbs with a 3 liter engine putting out 250hp would be just as fast and more fuel efficient then the bigger one out now. There is no real reason these cars need to do 0-60 in under 6.5 seconds. SUVs, Pickups, and family sedans make up the majority of vehicles bought and driven in the US, if these vehicles get a little smaller, lighter, and more fuel efficient then it would make a pretty noticeable difference in gas usage and I am all for lower gas usage and less polution.

When it comes to sports cars, sports/luxury coupes and sedans I don't see any real point in needing for them to be more fuel efficient with lower hp engines. They simply don't sell in high enough numbers to put any kind of real dent in gas consumption and these type of vehicles are often not driven nearly as much as lower priced more fuel efficient vehicles. AMG, M, V, and S cars maybe getting a bunch of horsepower but they are so expensive that they are rare and they just don't need to be regulated. Sports cars like Ferraris, Lambos, Aston Martins, Veyrons may get poor gas mileage but again they are so rare and rarely driven that there is no reason for lower hp better fuel economy. Even more popular sports cars like Corvettes, Vipers, 350Zs, S2000, etc don't get terrible gas mileage and are still nowhere near as popular then pickups, SUVs, family sedans.

I say I would like to see Pickups, SUVs, family sedans getting smaller, lighter, and more fuel efficient. That combined with small economy cars, hybrids, and more deisels combined in automakers lineups would make the biggest difference in fuel consumption. Those cars make up like 95-99% of all the cars on the road. Really expensive performance/luxury cars like AMG, M cars, Bently, Rolls Royce, Ferraris, Lambos, Aston Martins, Veyrons, Vipers, Masseratis, Audi S/RS, etc just don't need to be effected by new mpg and cafe standards because they are very rare and not driven much. They make up maybe 1% or less at most of the total cars on the road. Even sports cars/luxury cars below the super high hp cars like Corvettes, 350Zs, S2000, regular BMW, Merc, Audi, Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, Jag, etc are still not nearly as common as SUV, pickups, and family sedans and most get decent gas mileage. I would like to see high to mid end sports cars and luxury cars get lighter and more fuel efficient but I don't think it is needed at this point. People buy those cars for the performance not how green/fuel efficient they are, they have fairly small niche market. The problem is predominately huge popular SUVs and Pickups that depending how large they are do not need to abide by fuel economy standards.
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LOL is all I can come up with.
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Well honestly, ZR1s and exotics/AMG cars make up for a very small percentage of sales.
This really started with family cars and pedestrian cars. They jumped from abuot 150hp to 200. Then when Nissan put the 3.5 VQ in everything and marketed HP HP HP, well everyone then followed with bigger engines as well. Not sure why we need 270hp Altimas/Camrys/Accords..etc...they were FINE with 200hp....

Its just easier to sell and easier for engineers to crank more power out a car. Until fuel efficiency becomes "sexy" or marketable, people will avoid.
 


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