GM/Nissan/Renault calling it off
10-04-06, 10:46 PM
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yup, I think GM is the one who is still screwed no matter what. Carlos probably saw all the crap underneat the GM firm and he thinks he can't save GM. And that's probably the reson why he backed off.
10-05-06, 04:05 AM
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I know GM still is in trouble... that's old news, it was in trouble, still is today and that won't change in the near future.
But the reason I said that about Carlos is because he's in trouble in the long run with his main concern, his worst nightmare; TOYOTA!
Carlos was warning GM that they should take Toyota as a more serious threat. When he said that, he didn't say it because he likes GM and cares about it... No, he said that because he wants to save his own a$$.
The way I see it; this wasn't about GM
, it was about Nissan.
Toyota really is unstopable now, and with new models on the way (like the Tundra
) Nissan won't be able to touch Toyota.
But the reason I said that about Carlos is because he's in trouble in the long run with his main concern, his worst nightmare; TOYOTA!
Carlos was warning GM that they should take Toyota as a more serious threat. When he said that, he didn't say it because he likes GM and cares about it... No, he said that because he wants to save his own a$$.
The way I see it; this wasn't about GM
, it was about Nissan. Toyota really is unstopable now, and with new models on the way (like the Tundra
) Nissan won't be able to touch Toyota.
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10-05-06, 01:37 PM
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Financial statements…
The bigger you are the more you can share platforms, engines and car components + The more you share the more cost cutting = The more you sell the more money you make. Yes Nissan is interested in that. Nissan, like Toyota “says
” it’s not about increasing sales numbers… but of course that’s not true (IMO). Nissan wishes it can keep up with Toyota and it is in its interest to do so, otherwise when Toyota is far ahead it will be able to offer even more competitive cars with better features at lower costs (higher profits, especially if they maintain their profit margins 7-8% or increase them)
Let me ask you this, who did you think was going to benefit more from all this, Nissan or GM?
My answer: Very very obvious, mostly Nissan! They don’t want to pay GM money, basically they just want to use GMs’ unused production capacity and share development cost etc. So I feel like Nissan is just helping themselves.
It’s true GM needs a partner (like Nissan) to survive.
But Nissan needs a partner like GM to catch up to Toyota and stop it from being an unstoppable threat.
Im not saying GM is better than Nissan, it’s not! In any way! Not in cars, not in managment, efficiency, profits, NOTHING! But what's GM getting out of this, managment advice from Carlos G???
10-05-06, 01:58 PM
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Sorry but GM would have benefit greatly from this not Nissan. Nissan is doing fine right now and GM is going down. Nissan didn't try to help until GM was about to go and still is under.
10-05-06, 05:37 PM
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Have you seen any sales figures the last two years? Toyota just last month is up 20%, Nissan down 9%. They are not doing fine. They are still very profitable but you have to keep improving or you will fall back fast.
Nissan needed GM as much as Nissan (its RENAULT) needed GM. GM had tons of factories that Nissan could use to produce more models. GM has tons of dealer networds and suppliers. GM is the largest car company still.
Toyota owns 40% of the Japanese market! More than NIssan and Honda COMBINED!
Nissan needed GM as much as Nissan (its RENAULT) needed GM. GM had tons of factories that Nissan could use to produce more models. GM has tons of dealer networds and suppliers. GM is the largest car company still.
Toyota owns 40% of the Japanese market! More than NIssan and Honda COMBINED!
10-06-06, 05:58 AM
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Have you seen any sales figures the last two years? Toyota just last month is up 20%, Nissan down 9%. They are not doing fine. They are still very profitable but you have to keep improving or you will fall back fast.
Nissan needed GM as much as Nissan (its RENAULT) needed GM. GM had tons of factories that Nissan could use to produce more models. GM has tons of dealer networds and suppliers. GM is the largest car company still.
Toyota owns 40% of the Japanese market! More than NIssan and Honda COMBINED!
Nissan needed GM as much as Nissan (its RENAULT) needed GM. GM had tons of factories that Nissan could use to produce more models. GM has tons of dealer networds and suppliers. GM is the largest car company still.
Toyota owns 40% of the Japanese market! More than NIssan and Honda COMBINED!
Exactly what I've been trying to say.
G35tx when you said "Nissan is doing fine right now" did you check their sales for the past 11 months??? Let me sum it up for you,
It went pretty much like this:
Down
Down
Down
Down
Down
Down
Down
Down
Down
Down
Down
DOWN = Really bad year!
And Nissan's sales-decrease are not exclusive to the US, no, the same trend follows in Japan and Europe! In other words Nissan World Wide Sales are SIGNIFICANTLY DOWN! They are definitely hurting.
All that, while Toyota sales went up up and up. Last month Toyota sales UP 20.2% in the US alone
) <== quite significant when you consider that Toyota sales are already 2.2 times more than Nissan. What's even scarier for Carlos Ghosn is that Toyota is spending around $1billion every month this year building new factories, to be able to produce more cars, tailored cars for major markets. Just imagine!!! Toyota is no joke, Carlos' got that right! It's his worst nightmare and a company that makes him shake in his boots.(I got articles to support my facts
, I'm sure you've seen most of them since they've been posted on CL previously)
10-06-06, 06:04 AM
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That's not what I was saying. Nissan is doing FINE. They are still making money. They aren't in the hole like GM is. Both would benefit from the merger of course. But at this moment in time, GM would benefit the most since they are in the hole and Nissan isn't.
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