New Road & Track magazine: 2008 Toyota Supra??
10-03-06, 10:54 AM
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That car is ugly and looks like it has an identity crisis. It looks like a wannabe SL/G/Z/'Vette/AstonMartin to me. However, the way the grill and lights look, make the car look like its smiling... If rumors are true and a new Supra will be produced, I sure as hell hope it doesn't look like this! lol
10-03-06, 01:20 PM
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Its not a hard stretch for someone to postulate that an IS chassis with the GR engine series in a more sports-oriented vehicle would make a great 350z killer. It'd create some revenue for Toyota; and Toyota is all about maximizing profit, increasing efficiency, and maintaining or improving reliability. This one thing makes total sense for them to do it, eventually.
Which is why I don't find that article very enlightening; nothing but heresay rumour that a random enthusiast with his/her head screwed on right can come up with just by thinking a little bit. The 4.3L engine mention shows me that the author is pretty far behind the times.
The 2GR could be tuned far in excess of 350hp if Toyota wanted to... the current IS350 variant already makes quite a bit more than 306hp. Dynos indicate more like 320-330 (250whp on a mustang dyno through an auto tranny? come on! 306bhp my ****!). I'd venture to say 375hp would be easily doable (or even more) if VVTL-I were included in the package
Too bad no american-sold Toyotas have it.
10-03-06, 02:09 PM
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They are. Thats why this article is kind of dumb.
Its not a hard stretch for someone to postulate that an IS chassis with the GR engine series in a more sports-oriented vehicle would make a great 350z killer. It'd create some revenue for Toyota; and Toyota is all about maximizing profit, increasing efficiency, and maintaining or improving reliability. This one thing makes total sense for them to do it, eventually.
Which is why I don't find that article very enlightening; nothing but heresay rumour that a random enthusiast with his/her head screwed on right can come up with just by thinking a little bit. The 4.3L engine mention shows me that the author is pretty far behind the times.
The 2GR could be tuned far in excess of 350hp if Toyota wanted to... the current IS350 variant already makes quite a bit more than 306hp. Dynos indicate more like 320-330 (250whp on a mustang dyno through an auto tranny? come on! 306bhp my ****!). I'd venture to say 375hp would be easily doable (or even more) if VVTL-I were included in the package Too bad no american-sold Toyotas have it.
Its not a hard stretch for someone to postulate that an IS chassis with the GR engine series in a more sports-oriented vehicle would make a great 350z killer. It'd create some revenue for Toyota; and Toyota is all about maximizing profit, increasing efficiency, and maintaining or improving reliability. This one thing makes total sense for them to do it, eventually.
Which is why I don't find that article very enlightening; nothing but heresay rumour that a random enthusiast with his/her head screwed on right can come up with just by thinking a little bit. The 4.3L engine mention shows me that the author is pretty far behind the times.
The 2GR could be tuned far in excess of 350hp if Toyota wanted to... the current IS350 variant already makes quite a bit more than 306hp. Dynos indicate more like 320-330 (250whp on a mustang dyno through an auto tranny? come on! 306bhp my ****!). I'd venture to say 375hp would be easily doable (or even more) if VVTL-I were included in the package
Too bad no american-sold Toyotas have it.
10-03-06, 04:10 PM
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It will be kind of ridiculous if Toyota doesn't produce a Supra by 2010.
Why?
- Because Toyota is the most successful and richest automaker in the world and yet has NO sports car. Solara certainly doesn't count. Celica, MR2, already gone.
- Because Toyota could easily sell it for no profit and everything would be just fine for them.
- Because Toyota needs an image boosting car (in the eyes of younger consumers) for more success in future sales.
- Because everyone wants a Supra!
Why?
- Because Toyota is the most successful and richest automaker in the world and yet has NO sports car. Solara certainly doesn't count. Celica, MR2, already gone.
- Because Toyota could easily sell it for no profit and everything would be just fine for them.
- Because Toyota needs an image boosting car (in the eyes of younger consumers) for more success in future sales.
- Because everyone wants a Supra!
10-03-06, 04:29 PM
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I really wonder what direction Toyota would go with the new Supra. A 350 HP V6 doesn't really sound that appealing since the IS350 is already making 306, and within a couple of years when this supposed Supra will be release will surely be making more (Maybe around 320HP). What I personally would like to see is Toyota make use of the outgoing GS300 3.0L V6 engine and add twin turboes to it for 380+ HP. Part of the whole appeal with the Supra is it is a great tuner car. Tuners don't care too much how good a car is out of the box stock. They care about the potential.
10-04-06, 08:26 AM
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The 2GR engine has been out on the market for how long?
The 2JZ-GTE's potential was realised after quite some time after the car was released. Hell a stroker came out not long ago...after some 12 years after the cars release.
Give the 2GR a chance
...trust me there will be ALOT of people in the land of the rising sun demanding parts/modifications for this engine.
The 2JZ-GTE's potential was realised after quite some time after the car was released. Hell a stroker came out not long ago...after some 12 years after the cars release.
Give the 2GR a chance
...trust me there will be ALOT of people in the land of the rising sun demanding parts/modifications for this engine.
10-04-06, 09:43 AM
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It will be kind of ridiculous if Toyota doesn't produce a Supra by 2010.
Why?
- Because Toyota is the most successful and richest automaker in the world and yet has NO sports car. Solara certainly doesn't count. Celica, MR2, already gone.
- Because Toyota could easily sell it for no profit and everything would be just fine for them.
- Because Toyota needs an image boosting car (in the eyes of younger consumers) for more success in future sales.
- Because everyone wants a Supra!
Why?
- Because Toyota is the most successful and richest automaker in the world and yet has NO sports car. Solara certainly doesn't count. Celica, MR2, already gone.
- Because Toyota could easily sell it for no profit and everything would be just fine for them.
- Because Toyota needs an image boosting car (in the eyes of younger consumers) for more success in future sales.
- Because everyone wants a Supra!
10-04-06, 10:07 AM
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isnt that what the scion line is for? i think the scion needs a boost right now. they need to transfer over the mr2 and supra heritage into that line. they already have the celica (TC) and matrix (xA). imagine an affordable convert and sports coupe with a v6 engine, teens will flock to it.
10-04-06, 10:29 AM
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if i were toyota i would create the supra with the same engine as the IS350/GS350. to keep the price down just make the interior very similar to the TC in terms of what's standard and what's optional. 25k-30k seems to be the right price which will be a 350z, rx-8 competitor. and of course throw a scion badge on it and rename it. i think they should kill the supra line permanently just like they did the celica. but everybody knows the TC is the celica.
10-04-06, 01:20 PM
#29
The 2GR engine has been out on the market for how long?
The 2JZ-GTE's potential was realised after quite some time after the car was released. Hell a stroker came out not long ago...after some 12 years after the cars release.
Give the 2GR a chance...trust me there will be ALOT of people in the land of the rising sun demanding parts/modifications for this engine.
The 2JZ-GTE's potential was realised after quite some time after the car was released. Hell a stroker came out not long ago...after some 12 years after the cars release.
Give the 2GR a chance
...trust me there will be ALOT of people in the land of the rising sun demanding parts/modifications for this engine.Which on a 2jz motor, its simply a turbo + accessories, fuel upgrade, and AEM swap away. Doesnt involve anything more major than pulling the front bumper off for a nicely-sized front mount.
I'd bet the GR in IS and GS form isnt as brittle as the VQ motor from Nissan.... the biggest problem now, is the lack of transmission options...
10-04-06, 09:19 PM
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just came back from Japanese bookstore.
The latest issue of the scoops type of magazine stated that the Supra will have 2 engines, but not the V8 as we suspected. It said that the base Supra will use the 3.5 V6 with 350hp (expected)..
but get this, the high-end model will be a 3.5 V6 HYBRID, using 3rd generation Hybrid Synergy Drive, and producing over 450hp.
I think that's pretty logical. The GTR already has that type of power. Instead of going V8, V6-hybrid could possibly produce as much, but with much better fuel economy.
But instead of turbo kits for the Supra, the aftermarket will be developing battery kits
The latest issue of the scoops type of magazine stated that the Supra will have 2 engines, but not the V8 as we suspected. It said that the base Supra will use the 3.5 V6 with 350hp (expected)..
but get this, the high-end model will be a 3.5 V6 HYBRID, using 3rd generation Hybrid Synergy Drive, and producing over 450hp.
I think that's pretty logical. The GTR already has that type of power. Instead of going V8, V6-hybrid could possibly produce as much, but with much better fuel economy.
But instead of turbo kits for the Supra, the aftermarket will be developing battery kits