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Old 08-29-06, 01:07 PM
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Toyota Motor Corp.'s Lexus, which took the U.S. market by storm, has conjured up little more than a cloudy future in Japan.

Sales of three Lexus models have been about 60 percent of the company's initial targets.

The automaker aims to catch up with German rivals with the top-of-the-line LS sedan, which is scheduled for release on Sept. 19.

In the U.S. luxury car market, the Lexus brand has been the top seller for six years in a row.

Analysts say the key to success will be how to strike a balance between expanding sales and maintaining the exclusive brand image.

Lexus dealerships started operations on Aug. 30, 2005. Cumulative sales of Lexus models in Japan were 21,000 units as of the end of June.

During the first six months of this year, Lexus sales in the U.S. market increased by 6 percent year on year to 150,000 units.

Despite the recovering Japanese economy, however, domestic sales were a disappointing 11,000 units during the same period.

The stagnant performance is partly attributed to a delay in introducing the flagship LS sedan, formerly sold as the Celsior in Japan.

The three Lexus models on sale are: the IS sporty sedan, the former Altezza; the GS luxury sedan, the former Aristo; and the SC convertible coupe, the former Soarer.

Toyota completely redesigned the models for Lexus introduction.

Sales have been hampered by a recall of about 10,000 GS and IS models for defective seat belts, announced in April.

In July, Toyota started to accept reservations for the LS sedan.

Some Lexus dealers, however, cannot afford to promote sales to existing or potential customers of luxury imported vehicles, which were the expected rivals for Lexus cars.

A senior official of a Lexus dealer in Nagoya, one of the most competitive markets for luxury vehicles, said that the best they can do is try to win buyers who otherwise would move up to a high-end Toyota brand model.

Part of the reason for the poor sales, industry officials say, is Toyota's policy of prohibiting individual Lexus dealers from placing advertisements independently.

Toyota wants to protect the Lexus' exclusive brand image by using standardized ads.

"(Toyota) has restricted promotions by Lexus dealers by prohibiting them from taking individual marketing strategies," a senior official of a sales company said.

While Lexus dealers compete among themselves to retain their customers, European brands are expanding their customer bases.

A typical example is BMW AG of Germany.

BMW Japan Corp. has staged a nationwide campaign twice since August 2005, shortly before the Lexus domestic debut.

BMW marked record sales of 23,000 units in Japan during the first half of this year.

The 3 Series, the automaker's volume model, expanded the customer base by attracting a large number of female owners, which now account for about 30 percent.

The figure compares with a little less than 10 percent among owners of the IS, the primary rival of the BMW 3 Series.

BMW Japan President Jesus Cordoba said the company will continue to invest to lure new customers.

In response to the LS's scheduled debut in September, Toyota has allowed Lexus dealerships to hold individual promotions at first-class hotels in an attempt to better appeal to women.

Toyota has also relaxed restrictions on after-sales services for Lexus vehicles.

Previously, the automaker banned Toyota dealerships, located within a 50-kilometer radius of a Lexus dealer, from providing repairs and inspections of Lexus vehicles. Toyota has decreased the geographical limitation to 30 kilometers.

Yasuhiko Yokoi, Toyota's managing officer in charge of Lexus domestic sales and marketing, said the automaker refrained from high-profile marketing during the past year.

For example, Lexus dealerships are uniformly designed to create a dignified atmosphere and offer sophisticated customer services.

The latest measures introduced by Toyota will change the marketing strategy which had focused on fostering an exclusive brand image.

Toyota plans to add new models to the Lexus line beginning in 2007.

In one example, Toyota plans to add a convertible version of the IS sports sedan as early as 2008 to attract younger customers.

Longer-term projects include a two-seater sports car that would feature a 5-liter engine based on a V-10 formerly used in Formula One race cars.(IHT/Asahi: August 26,2006)
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So, more "rumors" about an IS convertible by early 2008...

However, I know that Lexus will have a hard time in Japan, where European brands have more prestige than the local brand. It's still widely accepted that Lexus is a "nicer Toyota," although a little bit of education to consumers will prove it otherwise. Too bad that this is one of the weak spots that most competitors are targeting and repeating over and over again, to slow down the rise of Lexus in Japan.
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Its going to take some time. Lexus in Japan needs that HALO and the SC just aint it. The LS is really going to bring people to showrooms and the trickle down affect will happen.

Lexus will not be allowed to fail in Japan, it would be a tremendous kick in the nuts!
 
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Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT
So, more "rumors" about an IS convertible by early 2008...

However, I know that Lexus will have a hard time in Japan, where European brands have more prestige than the local brand. It's still widely accepted that Lexus is a "nicer Toyota," although a little bit of education to consumers will prove it otherwise. Too bad that this is one of the weak spots that most competitors are targeting and repeating over and over again, to slow down the rise of Lexus in Japan.
another thing to realize is that:
a. it is only 3 model lineup
b. Toyota has many other luxury models in its lineup in Japan, based on Lexus platforms.

And of course, it takes time.
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There are 8,000 preorders for the LS in Japan, according to an article I read a few days ago...

Haven't found the link, but this Forbes article quotes them as saying advance orders are 'brisk' for the New LS in Japan.

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx...fx2966952.html

Plus the lineup will go from 4 to 8 vehicles---LS/IS/GS/SC to...?
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its only been a year, give it time
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If toyota would discontinue some of the luxury models they have in japan that would help to boost Lexus sales and image. They dont need three versions of the crown and they can get rid of the Brevis and maybe even the MarkX. Also what happened to the ES its not sold in japan as a Toyota or a Lexus thats weird.
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its going to take time...
at the moment though, lexus seems to be doing ok-
the is appears to be on target to hit their 40k units/yr goal..
the gs seems to be doing ok, although im sure they underestimated the effect of the infiniti m.
the ls should do pretty well also, although their conservative styling will hurt them a lot.

regarding the advertising, dealers need to be carefully controlled in the luxury marketplace..especially for a new company. i wouldnt say this is their biggest problem because its a two edged sword.. it also works for them. if anything, their biggest problem is that they arent aggressive enough. i dont understand why toyota is getting out of the coupe market and why they cant build a proper driver's car.
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Originally Posted by Tekknikal
its going to take time...
at the moment though, lexus seems to be doing ok-
the is appears to be on target to hit their 40k units/yr goal..
the gs seems to be doing ok, although im sure they underestimated the effect of the infiniti m.
the ls should do pretty well also, although their conservative styling will hurt them a lot.

regarding the advertising, dealers need to be carefully controlled in the luxury marketplace..especially for a new company. i wouldnt say this is their biggest problem because its a two edged sword.. it also works for them. if anything, their biggest problem is that they arent aggressive enough. i dont understand why toyota is getting out of the coupe market and why they cant build a proper driver's car.
In regards to your comment about the Infinitit M, there is no Infiniti is Japan or much anywhere outside the USA. Its the Nissan Fuga in Japan.

This thread is about Lexus sales in Japan.

What conservative styling on the LS? The new LS is the most styled LS ever. Even so, very conservative styling in the past has never hurt the LS. It always wins or comes close to winning comparos and is world regarded as one of the finest luxury automobiles you can buy.
 
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
In regards to your comment about the Infinitit M, there is no Infiniti is Japan or much anywhere outside the USA. Its the Nissan Fuga in Japan.

This thread is about Lexus sales in Japan.

What conservative styling on the LS? The new LS is the most styled LS ever. Even so, very conservative styling in the past has never hurt the LS. It always wins or comes close to winning comparos and is world regarded as one of the finest luxury automobiles you can buy.
infiniti does exist outside of the USA. it exists in korea, the middle east, taiwan, and is coming to other countries.
not sure why you're going so far to correct me on the branding of the m/fuga in a lexus japan sales thread though

in any case, its hard to comment on sales overseas because their market is completely different, with their culture having different values. having said that here are my thoughts-

the ls may be the most styled ls ever but the competition is even more styled. it definitely isnt good when people see the ls as a 7 series look alike...and winning comparisons is great, but what counts is sales #s. i do not doubt that the ls will do well- its the best true luxury car in its segment, at least imo... however customers often think differently...

another problem lexus faces is that their product range is pretty narrow and the japanese are always looking for new products. also, im not sure if it was mentioned in this article ( i read a similar article off of a japanese wire this morning) but if its true that toyota dealerships are getting the same treatment lexus dealers get, that can be problematic for creating brand value and identity in a brand thats already new.

i think they've done a good job in the US, but its understandable that things may be different in japan. lexus definitely didnt get to where they are overnight...

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^^^
He's commenting on the Fuga distinction because you posted about the M35/45 affecting the GS in sales. In Japan, since the M35/45 don't exist, that's a nonfactor.

This is, after all, a thread about Lexus sales in Japan.

Lexus didn't get to where they were overnight in the US as well either, we'll see about Japan.
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another article:

ANALYSIS: Dismal Lexus Debut Prompts Toyota To Rev Up Luxury Line

NAGOYA (Nikkei)--The Lexus luxury brand of Toyota Motor Corp. (7203) will celebrate its first year in Japan on Aug. 30. Although the line has stimulated interest among affluent people in high-end cars, only 10,000 units were sold in 2005, half Toyota's goal. While the brand seems to be having little impact here, Toyota will release a new flagship model, the LS(now Celsior), in September in a push toward a 2006 goal of 30,000 units.

Lexus "hasn't hurt our sales much," said Director Ikuo Kobayashi of Yanase & Co., a view shared by most other import dealers. The number of cars sold in Japan between August 2005 and July 2006 are 49,000 for Mercedes-Benz and 47,000 for BMWs, both up 10% year on year.

Contrary to the fear that Lexus would cut into import sales, it "appears to have stimulated consumer interest in cars with more powerful brands, like Mercedes-Benz and BMW," said Yanase President Hiroyuki Furuichi. Said one Toyota executive, "We wound up benefiting our competitors."

Toyota's biggest miscalculation about the first year for Lexus here was in not attracting enough new customers to it. Most Lexus buyers today are existing Toyota customers, and "only a little over 10%" switched from imports, said Managing Director Yasuhiko Yokoi.

One reason for this was the failure of the IS model, which industry designer Bob Sliwa calls the most Lexus-like design. Targeting younger people, Toyota priced it as low as less than 4 million yen, no longer in the same range as the luxury cars that customers like.

Another reason was Lexus dealers' priority on holding onto existing Toyota customers to the extent of leaving no room to seek out new ones.

So the release of the new LS will be Toyota's "first critical moment," said one executive. It began taking pre-orders two months before the auto's release instead of the usual one month, and by mid-August it had apparently accumulated over 8,000 orders.

Rather than wait for customers to show up, dealers are actively sending salespeople to Toyota customers with an enthusiastic pitch for upgrading from the Celsior to an LS. On Toyota's development floor, design improvements will continue up to the last minute.

By 2010, the line will double in size to eight models, including a sport utility vehicle. As for hybrids, about 30% of customers who bought the Lexus GS 450h, which hit the market in March, owned import cars, according to Yokoi. With its successor, the LS 600h, set for release in the spring of 2007, Toyota hopes for further differentiation from imports.

Import retailers say they will stay alert and do their best to compete with Toyota. The BMW Group began its BMW Individual program last year, allowing for over 2,000 possible combinations of body color, seat material and other components. Mercedes-Benz has begun offering custom interiors for its special-spec AMG line.

One surprising Lexus effect has been the upgrade of Toyota dealer offices, service areas and other aspects this year, many of them to the level of Lexus dealers. "Customers are becoming more demanding," said an Aichi dealer, as they learn how Lexus customers are treated. Many dealers are retraining employees, and Nagoya Toyopet Co. made efforts to dramatically improve the skills of sales staff in giving technical explanations.

Hoshigaoka Driving School, adjacent to an affluent neighborhood in Nagoya, replaced its highway practice fleet of BMWs with Lexus IS 250s in February, bought radio ads commenting on the change, and reportedly increased student traffic. About 70% of its students are young women, many from rich families, who could become Lexus buyers.

On Sept. 19, Toyota will unveil the new Lexus LS at the New National Theater in Tokyo. "With the LS we want to solidify our brand image," said President Katsuaki Watanabe. For the same reason, it will open a new dealership in Tokyo's fashionable Aoyama district around 2008.

It remains to be seen whether the LS will become the major step up needed to spread the Lexus marque in Japan.
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Originally Posted by enigma888
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He's commenting on the Fuga distinction because you posted about the M35/45 affecting the GS in sales. In Japan, since the M35/45 don't exist, that's a nonfactor.

This is, after all, a thread about Lexus sales in Japan.

Lexus didn't get to where they were overnight in the US as well either, we'll see about Japan.
i accidently referred to it as the m instead of the fuga, but my point stands and is valid nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by Tekknikal
infiniti does exist outside of the USA. it exists in korea, the middle east, taiwan, and is coming to other countries.
not sure why you're going so far to correct me on the branding of the m/fuga in a lexus japan sales thread though

in any case, its hard to comment on sales overseas because their market is completely different, with their culture having different values. having said that here are my thoughts-

the ls may be the most styled ls ever but the competition is even more styled. it definitely isnt good when people see the ls as a 7 series look alike...and winning comparisons is great, but what counts is sales #s. i do not doubt that the ls will do well- its the best true luxury car in its segment, at least imo... however customers often think differently...

another problem lexus faces is that their product range is pretty narrow and the japanese are always looking for new products. also, im not sure if it was mentioned in this article ( i read a similar article off of a japanese wire this morning) but if its true that toyota dealerships are getting the same treatment lexus dealers get, that can be problematic for creating brand value and identity in a brand thats already new.

i think they've done a good job in the US, but its understandable that things may be different in japan. lexus definitely didnt get to where they are overnight...
I am going to strongly suggest you learn to crawl here because your running at neck breaking speed and your leading people nowhere and into confusion and non-lexus propoganda.

1. You never answered the main part of your post. There is no Infiniti in Japan, thus no M35/45 in Japan, thus no Lexus understimation. It is the Nissan Fuga there.
2. I didn't say Infiniti doesn't exist outside of the USA ( I said much elsewhere) and the countries you list, proves this. I am talking Europe, America, Japan, hell even Russia has a growing middle class.
3. So what counts is sales numbers? Until the last 2 years, the LS was the best selling in class in America. It gets great reviews in Europe for being true to itself, an all out luxury car. So what you think, means nothings, since;
a. The LS conservatively styled, sells and is highly respected
b. The new LS with more style, will sell as well is extend that respect
c. How about that failure for 16 years now discontinued Q45?
4. You just joined here. For 2 years now we knew Lexus was being launched in Japan and with a 3 car lineup, thus we are not surprised with the low sale numbers. You maybe startled but we knew this was going to happen. Their sales range will expand.

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Originally Posted by Tekknikal
i accidently referred to it as the m instead of the fuga, but my point stands and is valid nonetheless.
How old are you? You cannot say your point is valid when there is no mention of Nissan Fuga sales in Japan, thus how can you say Lexus underestimated it. The articles state BMW, Benz, Audi. Your whole POINT is now dismissed. Don't go to court making such a mistake bub.

Your point is 100% invalid and baseless and pointless and I am going to ask you refrain from making such posts as it can lead to mass confusion to those that read in Car Chat.
 


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