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Old 05-09-06, 07:45 AM
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Nissan: Playing It Safe?
Date posted: 05-08-2006


Before: Standout styling set the 2006 Altima apart from the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.


After: Nissan bills the next-generation Altima as evolutionary on the outside and revolutionary underneath.


At the recently ended 2006 New York International Auto Show, Nissan, and its Infiniti luxury division, unveiled cars of extreme significance: the midsize 2007 Nissan Altima and the entry-luxury 2007 Infiniti G35 sedan. Both cars represented breakthrough design and were styling standouts when introduced in their current versions; the new ones are evolutionary, at least in appearance. Is the once-bold Nissan, basking in its newfound success, now playing it safe?

And, in a sense, who could blame Nissan for playing it safe and not tampering with success? Indeed, the Nissan turnaround story has the drama and so-far happy ending of a Broadway production. Nissan was down and nearly out in the late 1990s when Carlos Ghosn, now chief executive of both Renault and Nissan, stepped in with a revival plan. Keys to Ghosn's plan were setting precise sales and financial targets while demanding head-turning designs.

His plan was a phenomenal success. In the U.S., Nissan's sales soared 58 percent from 1999 to 2005, market share rose from 4 percent to 6.3 percent, and operating profit margin jumped from 1 percent to a best-in-industry 9 percent. In late April, Nissan reported its sixth consecutive year of higher profits. Two stars in the production were the Nissan Altima and Infiniti G35.

In 2001, Nissan was selling a mere 150,000 Altimas in the largest-volume car segment in the U.S. (about 4 million total sales annually). The dramatically redesigned 2002 Altima set itself apart from the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry by targeting the 20 percent of the segment that Nissan found was bored with existing offerings and wanted style and performance. The Altima was advertised as "the cure for the common sedan." As Ghosn pointed out in New York, the Altima cured a lot of Nissan's ills by stimulating sales and profits as well as drawing attention to the brand.

Named North American Car of the Year at the 2002 Detroit Auto Show, the Altima became Nissan's top-selling vehicle; 2005 sales surpassed 250,000 vehicles, making it the fourth best-selling car in the U.S., with some of the youngest buyers in the segment, Nissan claims.

"By every measure, the Altima is a resounding success, a power brand in our rejuvenated product lineup," said Ghosn.

At Infiniti, the eye-catching G35 is the most successful Infiniti in history and is the luxury marque's volume leader, representing one of every three Infinitis sold. As Ghosn further pointed out in New York, the G35 laid the foundation for Infiniti's recent success — four straight years of record profitable sales and a 55-percent increase in sales volume since 2002.

Now comes Act II, and the New York show saw the curtain rise on its opening.

With the Nissan and Infiniti vehicle lines completely overhauled, the next re-do is starting. Again, the Altima for Nissan and the G35 for Infiniti will be among the headliners. The 2007 Altima was unveiled at the New York show as a concept and goes on sale this fall with a hybrid version — Nissan's first hybrid in the U.S. — arriving in about a year. The G35 sedan hits showrooms in November.

When he introduced the Altima at the New York show, Ghosn said Nissan was "taking a very good car up to the next level." He described it as an evolution of the car's "iconic design" (iconic is definitely a stretch) but "a revolution in the interior and under the skin."

The new Altima's shape is leaner, more defined. The biggest change is inside, where it needed it most. On the concept at least, vastly higher grades of materials are used, fit and finish is improved, and the overall cabin, which is just as big as the current one, is taken up a notch. The new Altima is the first vehicle to use the new "D" platform developed cooperatively by Nissan and Renault. The new architecture is said to be more rigid and, paired with a redesigned suspension, promises even more spirited driving dynamics.

Similarly, the new G35 is more refined, much needed effort has been placed on interior craftsmanship, and technology has been cranked up a notch. The first of the second-generation G35 models — the sedan — was unveiled in New York and goes on sale in November. A coupe follows in 2007; a concept version was revealed at the Detroit show earlier this year.

In his speech to the International Motor Press Association at the show, Ghosn talked about Nissan's need to "go farther in embracing design and create better visual passion." He said, "Design has been a driver of our success, and we are pushing innovation farther than ever."

But one wonders if Nissan truly is pushing the envelope this second time around as it did in the first instance. Time will tell as Nissan and Infiniti kick off a second product blitz, which will include the Nissan GT-R and a new Z.

And one wonders if Ghosn, hailed as Nissan's savior, is another Lee Iacocca, who thrives on turnarounds more than everyday operations. If that's the case, we've got a couple of car companies here in Detroit that could use a turnaround specialist.
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They are wating for the 4GS to come out to figure out how they will design their sedans next

Well, I can see why they went evolutionary, as the article stated, they finally have some hits and they will stick to a good thing. Thing is the new Camry (Altima) is actually a looker too with a better interior and more power and features. I think people do buy Altima's for looks first and the new one looks fine.

Every magazine out in newstands has said the same thing about the G35 "Nissan says all new but we can't tell from the outside". I think they went a little too evolutionary but again, can't blame them as the car has done well for them, though I think pricing, not styling on the sedan, had most to do with that.

I expect both to continue to do well but I will say again, the G35 sedan will have a tougher time. I think the Atlima will continue to sell well but I am not sure they will continue to gain market share.

Honda I have no idea what they are thinking, the Altima AND Camry are all new and they gave that old car just a refreshning!
 
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On the 5 year redesign cycle, Nissan and Toyota are on 2002-2006 schedules, with new models coming out for 2007. Honda's 5 yr cycle just happens to be 2003-2007 for the Accord, so it comes out one year after the new Altima and Camry. So for 2006 the Accord got the normal 4th yr refresh treatment, and an all-new model will be out for 2008.
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so that's a redesign not a facelift? if it's a redesign, i guess they are following porsche 911. hey, the 997 looks pretty alike the 997 right?
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It appears Nissan wants to leave well enough alone. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Better safe than sorry...
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if it works why change, just like the PS3 controller
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
if it works why change, just like the PS3 controller
You can't compare pretty much a monopoly (PS2/X-box) with cars, where there are 36 car makers, some with more than 1 car in the same segment.
 
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One mistake Nissan made, IMO, with the last Altima ( besides the cheesy interior in the early models ) was restricting the V6 to the more stiffly-sprung and aggressively-tired SE and SE-R models. Toyota and Honda both offer V6 Camrys and Accords with V6's and normal, comfort-oriented suspensions for people who want some power but don't like a stiff ride....Nissan should seriously consider this on the new Altima.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
One mistake Nissan made, IMO, with the last Altima ( besides the cheesy interior in the early models ) was restricting the V6 to the more stiffly-sprung and aggressively-tired SE and SE-R models. Toyota and Honda both offer V6 Camrys and Accords with V6's and normal, comfort-oriented suspensions for people who want some power but don't like a stiff ride....Nissan should seriously consider this on the new Altima.
How about the 2006 Altima 3.5 SL? This is the V6 XLE equivalent.
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Originally Posted by jrock65
How about the 2006 Altima 3.5 SL? This is the V6 XLE equivalent.
Close...maybe half a cigar. But Altimas in general have stiffer underpinnings than Camrys do.
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RE: the G35, they've said that though it's a re-design they wanted it to be evolutionary. I'm not sure I agree, but only time will tell. I personally think the car will sell based more on what's inside than outside. The current sedan isn't exactly a barn-burner on the outside, but it sells well based on price and it's guts.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Close...maybe half a cigar. But Altimas in general have stiffer underpinnings than Camrys do.
So you think the Altima in general should become cushy mobiles like the Camry?
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So you think the Altima in general should become cushy mobiles like the Camry?
Jrock have you driven an Altima? The ride with the 16s aint' horrible, I think its not really the supsension but the cheap seats/interior etc, that makes you feel every bump.

Wiht the 17s, the ride is horrible. Then on top of that, its not sporty! So you have a harsh riding car, for basically no reason.

And every magazine review has the same sentiments, thus the ALtima never finishing anywhere close to the top 3 in any comparison.

It "looks" sporty, "sounds" sporty with SE or SE-R badge but it ain't sporty at all.

This is a car that has sold based on its looks, b/c IMO, it is a good looking car.
 
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Jrock have you driven an Altima? The ride with the 16s aint' horrible, I think its not really the supsension but the cheap seats/interior etc, that makes you feel every bump.

Wiht the 17s, the ride is horrible. Then on top of that, its not sporty! So you have a harsh riding car, for basically no reason.

And every magazine review has the same sentiments, thus the ALtima never finishing anywhere close to the top 3 in any comparison.

It "looks" sporty, "sounds" sporty with SE or SE-R badge but it ain't sporty at all.

This is a car that has sold based on its looks, b/c IMO, it is a good looking car.
I've driven it many times.

It may not be sporty enough given its harsh ride, but it's still sportier than the Camry. Main issue is torque steer, which, based on the recent Motortrend review of the 2007 model, is totally absent due to the new platform.

I would never get the SE over the SL, bu I disagree with you about the SE-R. It is one of the sportiest sedans in the segment.

The Altima has to stay sporty. No one can out-cush the Camry.

I used to think the Altima looked good, but now I just think it's like any other sedan in the segment - generic. Personally, the only car that interests me visually in this segment is the Fusion.
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