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Old 04-27-06, 08:16 PM
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DaimlerChrysler, BMW, and GM today announced a new full hybrid system that “represents a major automotive industry milestone due to the unprecedented fully integrated combination of electric motors with a fixed-gear transmission.” The technology is said to be ready for production beginning next year. As a result of its low- and high-speed electric continuously variable transmission (ECVT) modes, the system is commonly referred to as the 2-mode hybrid. However, the sophisticated fuel-saving system also incorporates four fixed gear ratios for high efficiency and power-handling capabilities in a broad variety of vehicle applications. During the two ECVT modes and four fixed gear operations, the hybrid system can use the electric motors for boosting and regenerative braking.
 
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
a major automotive industry milestone due to the unprecedented fully integrated combination of electric motors with a fixed-gear transmission.
"Unprecedented" eh?
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Now this really cool. Bout time they come up with something.
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GM, DaimlerChrysler, BMW Premiere Unprecedented Hybrid Technology









The state-of-the-art full hybrid system, whose components are being co-developed by General Motors Corp., DaimlerChrysler and the BMW Group for production beginning next year, represents a major automotive industry milestone due to the unprecedented fully integrated combination of electric motors with a fixed-gear transmission.

As a result of its low- and high-speed electric continuously variable transmission (ECVT) modes, the system is commonly referred to as the 2-mode hybrid. However, the sophisticated fuel-saving system also incorporates four fixed gear ratios for high efficiency and power-handling capabilities in a broad variety of vehicle applications. During the two ECVT modes and four fixed gear operations, the hybrid system can use the electric motors for boosting and regenerative braking.

In summary, the four fixed gears overlay two ECVT modes for a total of six operating functions:

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Input-split ECVT mode, or continuously variable Mode 1, operates from vehicle launch through the second fixed gear ratio.
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Compound-split ECVT mode, or continuously variable Mode 2, operates after the second fixed gear ratio.
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First fixed-gear ratio with both electric motors available to boost the internal combustion engine or capture and store energy from regenerative braking, deceleration and coasting.
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Second fixed-gear ratio with one electric motor available for boost/braking,
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Third fixed-gear ratio with two electric motors available for boost/braking.
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Fourth fixed-gear ratio with one electric motor available for boost/braking.

The result is trend-setting hybrid technology that provides superior fuel economy, performance and load carrying capability.

The full hybrid system being co-developed by General Motors, DaimlerChrysler and the BMW Group has an overall mechanical content and size similar to a conventional automatic transmission, yet this full hybrid transmission can operate in infinitely variable gear ratios or one of the four fixed-gear ratios.

A sophisticated electronic control module constantly optimizes the entire hybrid powertrain system to select the most efficient operation point for the power level demanded by the driver.
Key Advantages

When compared to conventional hybrid systems, this avant-garde hybrid technology, relying on both the ECVT modes and the four fixed gear ratios, provides advantages in combined (city and highway) fuel economy, dynamics and towing capability.

Traditional hybrid systems typically have only one torque-splitting arrangement and no fixed mechanical ratios. These systems are often called "one-mode" hybrids. Due to their less capable mechanical content, one-mode hybrids need to transmit a significant amount of power through an electrical path that is 20 percent less efficient than a mechanical path. This requires usually substantial compromise in vehicle capability or reliance on larger electrical motors, which can create cost, weight and packaging issues.

General Motors, DaimlerChrysler and the BMW Group have conceived a full hybrid system featuring four fixed mechanical ratios, within the two ECVT modes, to reduce power transmission through the less efficient electrical path. Consequently, the electric motors are more compact and less dependent on engine size.

This combination of two ECVT modes and four fixed gear ratios eliminates the drawbacks of one-mode hybrid systems to allow for efficient operation throughout a vehicle's operating range, at low and high speeds. It also allows for application across a broader variety of vehicles. It is particularly beneficial in demanding applications that require larger engines, such as towing, hill climbing or carrying heavy loads.

Existing internal combustion engines can be used with relatively minimal alteration because the full hybrid system imposes no significant limitation on the size or type of engine. It enables the three global automakers to package internal combustion engines with the full hybrid transmissions more cost-effectively and offer the fuel-saving technology across a wider range of vehicles.

Initial applications are suitable for front-engine, rear- and four-wheel-drive vehicle architectures, but the full hybrid system has the flexibility to be used in front-engine, front-wheel-drive architectures in the future as well.
Global Hybrid Cooperation

General Motors, DaimlerChrysler and the BMW Group have formed a cooperative effort called the Global Hybrid Cooperation, which is actively developing this next generation hybrid powertrain system. In an alliance of equals, all three partners are pooling expertise and resources to jointly and efficiently develop hybrid technology. Each company will individually integrate the full hybrid system into the design and manufacturing of vehicles in accordance with their brand specific requirements.

In Troy, Michigan, the "GM, DaimlerChrysler and BMW Hybrid Development Center" houses together engineers and specialists from all three companies to develop the complete hybrid system and the individual components -- electric motors, high-performance electronics, wiring, energy management, and hybrid system control units. In addition, the "GM, DaimlerChrysler and BMW Hybrid Development Center" will be responsible for system integration and project management.

A key factor in ensuring optimum development is the focus on a flexible system design that can be scaled to the size, mass and performance needs of the various vehicle concepts and brands. The extensive sharing of components and the collaborative relationship with suppliers will enable the alliance partners to achieve economies of scale and associated cost advantages that will also benefit customers. Currently full hybrid systems are under development for front- and rear-wheel-drive passenger cars, and light-duty truck and SUV applications.
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wow, Toyota system obviously sucks compared to this marvelous press release!

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p.s. you know what is really funny? Toyota already has first "two mode" gearing in GS450h :-).
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As Gene would say, this thread is already suffering from the "If it wasn't created by Toyota it must be crap" stigma.

Give some credit here guys, the system sounds pretty sweet.

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p.s. you know what is really funny? Toyota already has first "two mode" gearing in GS450h :-).
Really spwolf? That sounds cool. I can't find anything on it compared to the GM/DCX/BMW system. Can you get us some links to more info?

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damn, that is one complicated tranny..
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Originally Posted by doug_999
As Gene would say, this thread is already suffering from the "If it wasn't created by Toyota it must be crap" stigma.

Give some credit here guys, the system sounds pretty sweet.



Really spwolf? That sounds cool. I can't find anything on it compared to the GM/DCX/BMW system. Can you get us some links to more info?
How do you mean you cant find anything on it? Simply read GS450h press release. It has two different planetary gearset gearings, low and high, what GM is calling "two mode". Car is already on sale and people are driving it.

My initial comment is that this is an superb press release, not technology. It becomes technology when it is produced and when you can buy it. Us hybrid followers have been reading GM press releases about best hybrid systems they have for the past 4 years and yet they still have to produce one.

Do you ever see Toyota or Honda, or Ford for that matter writing new press releses about hybrids, 2-3 years before they even have the product on the market? Nope. Its all about issuing press releases so your shareholders feel confident about technology you are lagging behind everyone else.
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Originally Posted by spwolf
How do you mean you cant find anything on it? Simply read GS450h press release. It has two different planetary gearset gearings, low and high, what GM is calling "two mode". Car is already on sale and people are driving it.

My initial comment is that this is an superb press release, not technology. It becomes technology when it is produced and when you can buy it. Us hybrid followers have been reading GM press releases about best hybrid systems they have for the past 4 years and yet they still have to produce one.

Do you ever see Toyota or Honda, or Ford for that matter writing new press releses about hybrids, 2-3 years before they even have the product on the market? Nope. Its all about issuing press releases so your shareholders feel confident about technology you are lagging behind everyone else.
I don't think you read either press release very carefully. I see that the GS450h has a 2-stage torque multiplication, but it does not have the technology of the GM/DC/BMW system. Seriously, point it out to us if it is the same?
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Originally Posted by doug_999
I don't think you read either press release very carefully. I see that the GS450h has a 2-stage torque multiplication, but it does not have the technology of the GM/DC/BMW system. Seriously, point it out to us if it is the same?
dude, two mode is what GS450h has. Rest of it is not the same (Toyota doesnt have mechanical gear points like GM, rather relies on variable planetary gearset).

From article above:
"As a result of its low- and high-speed electric continuously variable transmission (ECVT) modes, the system is commonly referred to as the 2-mode hybrid."

So yes, GS450h has what GM calls 2-mode hybrid, and it has been done, again, years before GM will come out to market with it...

what else do you need? Rest of my response comes from the fact it is vaporware, it doesnt exist until you can purchase it. Can you?

I think Bill Ford told it correctly during his speech at NY show - something to the tune of "we need to talk with products and not press releases".
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Originally Posted by spwolf
dude, two mode is what GS450h has. Rest of it is not the same (Toyota doesnt have mechanical gear points like GM, rather relies on variable planetary gearset).

From article above:
"As a result of its low- and high-speed electric continuously variable transmission (ECVT) modes, the system is commonly referred to as the 2-mode hybrid."

So yes, GS450h has what GM calls 2-mode hybrid, and it has been done, again, years before GM will come out to market with it...

what else do you need? Rest of my response comes from the fact it is vaporware, it doesnt exist until you can purchase it. Can you?

I think Bill Ford told it correctly during his speech at NY show - something to the tune of "we need to talk with products and not press releases".
You are quoting the GM/DC/BMW press release there buddy. Can you at least do me the favor of pointing to the GS450h press release that says this exact same sentence?
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That's good news and great for MB,BMW and GM to come up with something so advanced. I think the system is pretty similar to the GS4450h,but Lexus just doesn't show it in the press release.










Both company used the same set up with MG1 and MG2 generator and at the end of the transmission they used the set up just like regular auto transmission,but only low and high gear.



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Originally Posted by doug_999
You are quoting the GM/DC/BMW press release there buddy. Can you at least do me the favor of pointing to the GS450h press release that says this exact same sentence?
you want me to tell you that GS450h has two different gearings? low and high? Its well known fact.
It has to be exactly the same sentence? lol. Someone is defensive here.

How about:
The transmission utilizes an advanced two-stage motor torque multiplication device for the Electronic Continuously Variable Transmission (ECVT) motor, delivering responsive and seamless acceleration with no power loss.
http://www.lexus.com/about/press_rel...r_02_28_a.html

Yep, that should be it. Is your sole problem with my problem of GM issuing PR's about products that they dont sell yet the fact that BMW is part of the alliance?
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Originally Posted by spwolf
you want me to tell you that GS450h has two different gearings? low and high? Its well known fact.
It has to be exactly the same sentence? lol. Someone is defensive here.

How about:


http://www.lexus.com/about/press_rel...r_02_28_a.html

Yep, that should be it. Is your sole problem with my problem of GM issuing PR's about products that they dont sell yet the fact that BMW is part of the alliance?
Well first off, I didn't quote it - you did. And you quoted the GM/DC/BMW press release. I'm really not getting defensive here, but it is clear that you don't understand the technologies behind this. The GM/DC/BMW is not the same as the GS - you just pointed that out in the press release and transmission diagram.
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