LexFather

Your thoughts? I am sure this will lower some with the futuristic looking new model.

whoster

the average age of Honda vehicles in Europe, and especially Britain has been terrifyingly high...

A Honda driver becomes labeled as someone who puts everything aside and puts reliability as the one and only trait they look for in a vehicle.

theoretically the new swanky European Civic could make a difference, but what the Civic is to the ricers here, Citroen's C1 plays that role in Europe.

Richie

LOL, honda's have been slow selling for years now.
Doesn't help when the car is most likely their last due to age.

spwolf

new civic hatch
is exactly that model...

Kermee

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There was a great episode of Top Gear when James brought a Honda Element to a "bowling club".

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Kermee

Lexmex

Are the prices any higher in Europe for the Civic compared to the U.S.?

South of the border, they are.

SilverLady

Keep in mind that the age of everybody in Europe (particulary non-immigrants) is getting to be about 58. They have pretty much forgotten how to have babies over there.

bitkahuna

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LOL, true! Italy has the lowest birth rate in the world. (Hmm... mostly Catholics? )

Stage3

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Sounds about right... The younger crowd in Europe are more into the hot hatches more so than things like Civics.

mmarshall

The way some Civic owners drive, especially the '" tuner " crowd, I would have guessed closer to an average age of 5.8 rather than 58.

spwolf

new civic is very expensive... but sales of civic were very low in general in europe that it might bring in more customers despite the pricing... (hatch is 5k more expensive than sedan, figure it out).

mmarshall

Sales of Civics in Europe are also hampered by two additional factors...One, that Honda itself markets even smaller and less-expensive models there ( like the Fit just now coming to the U.S. ), and, two, that Civics and other small Hondas have to compete with many European-nameplate mini-cars that are sold there but not in the U.S........primarily from VW, Fiat, and Renault. What's more, European countries sometimes subisidize their own home-market brands and do not exactly encourage the sale of Japanese-nameplate cars.

spwolf

kind of. Fit and Civic fall under two very different categories in Europe (like Civic or Accord do in USA). Also, Civics are produced in UK (same as Corolla's) and are customs free.

Old Civic sold 4x less than Corolla in 2005 in Europe. Now they are trying more premium approach and pricing is similar to A3. It seems like it is working so far...

Richie

Differs per country.
Over here in Holland they are pretty expensive, all cars are.

spwolf

yeah, it sux to live in netherlands if you like cars :-). What are your taxes on cars again?