60MPG Hydraulic Hybrid F-150 for 2008 (is it to good to be true??)
02-14-06, 04:48 PM
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60MPG Hydraulic Hybrid F-150 for 2008 (is it to good to be true??)
Ford Invents Hybrid that is *300% more efficient* than Toyota Prius
2.13.06
http://www.newtechspy.com/articles06...lichybrid.html
2.13.06
---Ford is developing a new form of automotive propulsion, and the implications for the American Auto Industry are huge. The Hydraulic Hybrid could be the greatest innovation since the internal combustion engine itself, and Ford is on the inside track with its F-150 Hybrid. New Tech Spy Has learned details about the system that are simply amazing and could put Ford in a commanding position in the fiercely competitive full size pickup market.
---The Idea behind the current crop of Hybrid cars is well known; the cars main energy comes from gasoline which recharges batteries that move the car at low speeds. Hydraulic Hybrids work in the same manner, only instead of batteries, excess energy is stored in hydraulic cylinders.That in itself is not revolutionary, except for the fact that Nickel Metal Hydride batteries used today are not an efficient way to store energy, and hydraulic storage blows them away with 3X the efficiency. Even next generation Lithium Ion batteries do not come close to Hydraulic Energy Storage.
---The standard F-150 has a curb weight of about 4800 lbs., which is 65% greater than theToyota Prius, yet incredibly the Hydraulic F-150 with a continuously variable transmission matches the Prius with 60mpg city rating, that’s an amazing 400% increase over its gasoline version.
---The F-150 makes for a perfect host for Hydraulic Hybrid technology because of its height and body on frame construction, adding this system to smaller vehicles will be challenging, but with those kind of numbers small vehicles as we know them may become obsolete...The Hydraulic F-150 is currently scheduled for launch in August of 2008, can Ford work out all the bugs by then? The people are waiting for Ford to come through in the clutch.
---The Idea behind the current crop of Hybrid cars is well known; the cars main energy comes from gasoline which recharges batteries that move the car at low speeds. Hydraulic Hybrids work in the same manner, only instead of batteries, excess energy is stored in hydraulic cylinders.That in itself is not revolutionary, except for the fact that Nickel Metal Hydride batteries used today are not an efficient way to store energy, and hydraulic storage blows them away with 3X the efficiency. Even next generation Lithium Ion batteries do not come close to Hydraulic Energy Storage.
---The standard F-150 has a curb weight of about 4800 lbs., which is 65% greater than theToyota Prius, yet incredibly the Hydraulic F-150 with a continuously variable transmission matches the Prius with 60mpg city rating, that’s an amazing 400% increase over its gasoline version.
---The F-150 makes for a perfect host for Hydraulic Hybrid technology because of its height and body on frame construction, adding this system to smaller vehicles will be challenging, but with those kind of numbers small vehicles as we know them may become obsolete...The Hydraulic F-150 is currently scheduled for launch in August of 2008, can Ford work out all the bugs by then? The people are waiting for Ford to come through in the clutch.
http://www.newtechspy.com/articles06...lichybrid.html
02-14-06, 07:12 PM
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If it's really true, that's an awesome innovation!
02-15-06, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
lol, Toyota has 225 mpg technology for their Tundra, thats gonna blow F150 out of water. It is going to appear in 2 years from now (perpetual of course).
I'm glad to see Ford lead the next wave of revolution in automotive technologies. American companies need to earn more respect from people by making innovations like this instead of chasing other companies' successes.
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02-15-06, 12:15 PM
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Really...where did you read that 225mpg Tundra concept? I must have missed it.
I'm glad to see Ford lead the next wave of revolution in automotive technologies. American companies need to earn more respect from people by making innovations like this instead of chasing other companies' successes.
I'm glad to see Ford lead the next wave of revolution in automotive technologies. American companies need to earn more respect from people by making innovations like this instead of chasing other companies' successes.
02-15-06, 12:39 PM
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^ I think spywolf was joking and being sarcastic 
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It's impossible to see a 60mpg F150, at least in the near future.
Hydraulic hybrids are very heavy ... heavier than electric hybrid systems, and they only show an improvement in large heavy duty vehicles. Plus, hydraulic hybrids offer almost no advantage to highway economy.
A vehicle the size of the F150, with it's boxy shape and weight, will not get 60mpg, hydraulic hybrid or not. The laws of physics will stop it from doing so.
Putting a hydraulic hybrid system on anything smaller than a truck will see almost no efficiency gains. I also doubt they can match the low emissions of an electric hybrid system.
Plus, a hydraulic hybrid system is mechanical, and has greater chance of breaking, or problems arising. An electrical hybrid system, due to less moving parts, therefore has more efficiency and less potential problems that may occur.
Don't expect anything too great from this system, especially when Toyota, Ford, and GM all have their newest hybrid tech coming out in 2008. Toyota with their 3rd gen tech, Ford with their 2nd gen, and GM with their two-mode system.
If this system was of any value, Ford would not be the only automaker currently interested in it.
.It's impossible to see a 60mpg F150, at least in the near future.
Hydraulic hybrids are very heavy ... heavier than electric hybrid systems, and they only show an improvement in large heavy duty vehicles. Plus, hydraulic hybrids offer almost no advantage to highway economy.
A vehicle the size of the F150, with it's boxy shape and weight, will not get 60mpg, hydraulic hybrid or not. The laws of physics will stop it from doing so.
Putting a hydraulic hybrid system on anything smaller than a truck will see almost no efficiency gains. I also doubt they can match the low emissions of an electric hybrid system.
Plus, a hydraulic hybrid system is mechanical, and has greater chance of breaking, or problems arising. An electrical hybrid system, due to less moving parts, therefore has more efficiency and less potential problems that may occur.
Don't expect anything too great from this system, especially when Toyota, Ford, and GM all have their newest hybrid tech coming out in 2008. Toyota with their 3rd gen tech, Ford with their 2nd gen, and GM with their two-mode system.
If this system was of any value, Ford would not be the only automaker currently interested in it.
02-15-06, 12:57 PM
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Haha true, the site bearing the news is quite questionable, and 60mpg does sound quite far fetched.
A quick search with Google, however, shows that Ford is indeed currently developing prototypes of hydraulic hybrid vehicles with EPA, and that the technology promises significantly better efficiency than gas-electric hybrids. Expect something soon, according to the articles, but just don't expect a "60mpg F-150" in the near future I guess.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...512180348/1148
http://www.allbusiness.com/periodica.../817501-1.html
http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=1178
http://www.iags.org/n033104t3.htm
A quick search with Google, however, shows that Ford is indeed currently developing prototypes of hydraulic hybrid vehicles with EPA, and that the technology promises significantly better efficiency than gas-electric hybrids. Expect something soon, according to the articles, but just don't expect a "60mpg F-150" in the near future I guess.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...512180348/1148
http://www.allbusiness.com/periodica.../817501-1.html
http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=1178
http://www.iags.org/n033104t3.htm
02-15-06, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
Haha true, the site bearing the news is quite questionable, and 60mpg does sound quite far fetched.
A quick search with Google, however, shows that Ford is indeed currently developing prototypes of hydraulic hybrid vehicles with EPA, and that the technology promises significantly better efficiency than gas-electric hybrids. Expect something soon, according to the articles, but just don't expect a "60mpg F-150" in the near future I guess.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...512180348/1148
http://www.allbusiness.com/periodica.../817501-1.html
http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=1178
http://www.iags.org/n033104t3.htm
A quick search with Google, however, shows that Ford is indeed currently developing prototypes of hydraulic hybrid vehicles with EPA, and that the technology promises significantly better efficiency than gas-electric hybrids. Expect something soon, according to the articles, but just don't expect a "60mpg F-150" in the near future I guess.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...512180348/1148
http://www.allbusiness.com/periodica.../817501-1.html
http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=1178
http://www.iags.org/n033104t3.htm
The EPA has a prototype Ford Expedition outfitted with a hydraulic hybrid. EPA estimates it will get 32mpg city and 22 mpg highway, although they don't know for sure. That's compared to a regular Expedition that gets 13mpg city/20 mpg highway. There's nothing "significant" about those figures, other than the city mileage. Plus, with highway mileage so low, average economy in mixed driving will be dramatically lower than the city figure.
And as mentioned, the benefits of hydraulic hybrids become lower once you start to get smaller than vehicles like an Expedition or F150.
Don't expect a 4 cyl hydraulic hybrid Ford Fusion to be matching the Camry hybrid's economy.
It's simple physics: a mechanical system will be less efficient, and more of a burden on fuel economy than any electrical system.
02-15-06, 03:38 PM
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With just about any car, they should be able to get better MPG. All a matter of shooting for it. Granted, Toyota kill kick butt when the new trucks come out.
02-15-06, 08:09 PM
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TRDfantasy and spwolf - you guys have to doubt or dismiss anything that's not done by Toyota and are obsequious (look it up 
) at anything Toyota does. 
) at anything Toyota does.
02-15-06, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
. . .are obsequious (look it up ) . . .
) . . .adj.
Full of or exhibiting servile compliance; fawning.
adj
1: attempting to win favor from influential people by flattery [syn: bootlicking, fawning, sycophantic, toadyish]
2: attentive in an ingratiating or servile manner; "obsequious shop assistants"