Online Petition (11k signatures!) to get Bangle out of BMW for ugly cars.
01-05-05, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Well, Mike.....is it serious or isn't it?
You said in the first post that it was NOT a joke. Now you're saying it is. Henry felt it should go to the major newspapers.
While clearly not everyone agrees, it is obvious that the majority of us are behind you on this one.
You said in the first post that it was NOT a joke. Now you're saying it is. Henry felt it should go to the major newspapers.
While clearly not everyone agrees, it is obvious that the majority of us are behind you on this one.
01-05-05, 07:16 PM
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[QUOTE=1SICKLEX] Some of us would like to one day own a BMW but it looks like we will be forced to buy the older, much better looking models.
Sorry sick but this is your opinion. SOme of us like the new designs. I like the old too but how long can you keep something bland but elegant and continue success. Sooner or later things had to change. I, for one am tired of seeing cookie cutter cars. The new BMW designs are bold statements of individuality and daring. I can't see how anyone can dislike the 645 but that's life, we're different. Your opinion doesn't bother me. I am slightly disappointed so many others here follow your lead because of the respect you carry. I respect your opinions too but that doesn't mean we have to agree on every topic. I may get flamed for this but it's my opinion...not meant to cause harm. Everytime you say how much you dislike Bangle....it's like the Pied Piper...people follow your lead and repeat what you say. It's all good, they're allowed to do that. It's a trip though.
For everyone else, if you disagree with me just say so. Don't get upset...I'm not. No biggee.
Sorry sick but this is your opinion. SOme of us like the new designs. I like the old too but how long can you keep something bland but elegant and continue success. Sooner or later things had to change. I, for one am tired of seeing cookie cutter cars. The new BMW designs are bold statements of individuality and daring. I can't see how anyone can dislike the 645 but that's life, we're different. Your opinion doesn't bother me. I am slightly disappointed so many others here follow your lead because of the respect you carry. I respect your opinions too but that doesn't mean we have to agree on every topic. I may get flamed for this but it's my opinion...not meant to cause harm. Everytime you say how much you dislike Bangle....it's like the Pied Piper...people follow your lead and repeat what you say. It's all good, they're allowed to do that. It's a trip though.
For everyone else, if you disagree with me just say so. Don't get upset...I'm not. No biggee.
01-05-05, 07:20 PM
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[QUOTE=reggiek]
Its cool. 
Its not like they have sold 0 cars, so people clearly do like them.
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Some of us would like to one day own a BMW but it looks like we will be forced to buy the older, much better looking models.
Sorry sick but this is your opinion. SOme of us like the new designs. I like the old too but how long can you keep something bland but elegant and continue success. Sooner or later things had to change. I, for one am tired of seeing cookie cutter cars. The new BMW designs are bold statements of individuality and daring. I can't see how anyone can dislike the 645 but that's life, we're different. Your opinion doesn't bother me. I am slightly disappointed so many others here follow your lead because of the respect you carry. I respect your opinions too but that doesn't mean we have to agree on every topic. I may get flamed for this but it's my opinion...not meant to cause harm. Everytime you say how much you dislike Bangle....it's like the Pied Piper...people follow your lead and repeat what you say. It's all good, they're allowed to do that. It's a trip though.
For everyone else, if you disagree with me just say so. Don't get upset...I'm not. No biggee.
Sorry sick but this is your opinion. SOme of us like the new designs. I like the old too but how long can you keep something bland but elegant and continue success. Sooner or later things had to change. I, for one am tired of seeing cookie cutter cars. The new BMW designs are bold statements of individuality and daring. I can't see how anyone can dislike the 645 but that's life, we're different. Your opinion doesn't bother me. I am slightly disappointed so many others here follow your lead because of the respect you carry. I respect your opinions too but that doesn't mean we have to agree on every topic. I may get flamed for this but it's my opinion...not meant to cause harm. Everytime you say how much you dislike Bangle....it's like the Pied Piper...people follow your lead and repeat what you say. It's all good, they're allowed to do that. It's a trip though.
For everyone else, if you disagree with me just say so. Don't get upset...I'm not. No biggee.
Its not like they have sold 0 cars, so people clearly do like them.
01-05-05, 07:21 PM
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"Instead, they put a gun to the designers head, held their ***** in a vice-grip and said "calm the hell down for christs sake". The new 3, now looks very evolutionary."
Chris Bangle did not design the new 3 series, he advised on it. If he wasn't advising at all it would look exactly like last year's car with jeweled headlights and 2 new color options
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Chris Bangle did not design the new 3 series, he advised on it. If he wasn't advising at all it would look exactly like last year's car with jeweled headlights and 2 new color options
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01-06-05, 02:31 AM
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The new Bimmers are butt ugly. I have yet to see a 6 series in person so I won't comment on this model.
I don't need anyone to remind me how ugly these things (I call them things because in my humblest opinion, they don't even constitute cars anymore) are because I see them with my eyes everyday when I drive to work.
Frankly, the more I see them, the more my eyes hurt.
Why is BMW changing in such drastic ways? I don't see Jaguars losing their signature circular quad. headlights in places of Japanese or other European brand designs. I don't see Mercedes doing away with its signature triangular shaped taillights. I don't see newer Corvettes having square taillights. I don't see 911s getting angular body lines.
There are too many "I don't sees" to add to this list. Car manufacturers have traditionally changed their philosophical design only when it really SUCKS. Not when it's successful. Bangle is stupid even for giving a single advice on the design of any type of BMW produced since he joined.
I don't think things are going to change until Kia starts to outsell BMW.
Jon
I don't need anyone to remind me how ugly these things (I call them things because in my humblest opinion, they don't even constitute cars anymore) are because I see them with my eyes everyday when I drive to work.
Frankly, the more I see them, the more my eyes hurt.
Why is BMW changing in such drastic ways? I don't see Jaguars losing their signature circular quad. headlights in places of Japanese or other European brand designs. I don't see Mercedes doing away with its signature triangular shaped taillights. I don't see newer Corvettes having square taillights. I don't see 911s getting angular body lines.
There are too many "I don't sees" to add to this list. Car manufacturers have traditionally changed their philosophical design only when it really SUCKS. Not when it's successful. Bangle is stupid even for giving a single advice on the design of any type of BMW produced since he joined.
I don't think things are going to change until Kia starts to outsell BMW.
Jon
Last edited by Baby ///M3; 01-06-05 at 02:45 AM.
however..I guess the 6 series bimmer isnt so bad...but still I dont like how the styling of the new futuristic BMWs..
01-06-05, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by reggiek
I am slightly disappointed so many others here follow your lead because of the respect you carry. I respect your opinions too but that doesn't mean we have to agree on every topic. I may get flamed for this but it's my opinion...not meant to cause harm. Everytime you say how much you dislike Bangle....it's like the Pied Piper...people follow your lead and repeat what you say. It's all good, they're allowed to do that. It's a trip though.
For everyone else, if you disagree with me just say so. Don't get upset...I'm not. No biggee.
For everyone else, if you disagree with me just say so. Don't get upset...I'm not. No biggee.
Nah I don't think people is saying they don't like BMW just because of one respected persons opinion, I mean ya gotta give CL more credit then that, he just happen to express a very common opinion thats all. It would be like you saying all american cars are made cheap, how many people you think will disagree with you.
I personally don't like any of the latest BMW's the 6 series included and I see them everyday in fact the more I see them the more I try not to, they all are IMO out right ugly and I don't need anyone to tell me that. The 745i does look much better with a nice set of 22's though.
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01-06-05, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Count me on board, guys.......I was only too happy to sign it. 
Henry...if you want to forward the petition to the Washington Post it is http://www.washingtonpost.com. The Post's chief auto writer is a guy named Warren Brown.
Henry...if you want to forward the petition to the Washington Post it is http://www.washingtonpost.com. The Post's chief auto writer is a guy named Warren Brown.
I swear 1/4 of the male population in America ....
At any rate - I signed too.
M.(ichael)
01-06-05, 12:10 PM
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Question for you guys:
How many people have to approve the final design on a car? Not a specific number, but is it Bangle, or him plus other designers and execs? Sick mentioned 5 people, but are there other people they have to get approvals from?
Btw, it should make no difference if Kia outsells BMW. Two different purchase levels. More people are able afford a Kia than a Bimmer.
How many people have to approve the final design on a car? Not a specific number, but is it Bangle, or him plus other designers and execs? Sick mentioned 5 people, but are there other people they have to get approvals from?
Btw, it should make no difference if Kia outsells BMW. Two different purchase levels. More people are able afford a Kia than a Bimmer.
01-09-05, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SC300Es
Question for you guys:
How many people have to approve the final design on a car? Not a specific number, but is it Bangle, or him plus other designers and execs? Sick mentioned 5 people, but are there other people they have to get approvals from?
Btw, it should make no difference if Kia outsells BMW. Two different purchase levels. More people are able afford a Kia than a Bimmer.
How many people have to approve the final design on a car? Not a specific number, but is it Bangle, or him plus other designers and execs? Sick mentioned 5 people, but are there other people they have to get approvals from?
Btw, it should make no difference if Kia outsells BMW. Two different purchase levels. More people are able afford a Kia than a Bimmer.
01-09-05, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SC300Es
Btw, it should make no difference if Kia outsells BMW. Two different purchase levels. More people are able afford a Kia than a Bimmer.
01-09-05, 01:04 PM
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I think the new bimmers are something that you have to see in person to appreciate......althought the 7 just doesnt look right to me no matter what.
I hated the 6 series when it came out but as soon as I saw I silver coupe in person I couldnt believe how nice it actually was. Even the 5 series grew on me immediately after I saw it and that is coming from someone who would kill for a previous gen. m5.
His designs are extremely different and I understand why people hate what he does but in time they are going to be considered the best looking cars again as soon as the designs catch on a little bit
I hated the 6 series when it came out but as soon as I saw I silver coupe in person I couldnt believe how nice it actually was. Even the 5 series grew on me immediately after I saw it and that is coming from someone who would kill for a previous gen. m5.
His designs are extremely different and I understand why people hate what he does but in time they are going to be considered the best looking cars again as soon as the designs catch on a little bit
01-09-05, 01:30 PM
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Honestly, I would find the person responsible for the interiors and fire them. I've always like the new 7 and the 5 has finally grown on me - but when I sit in either of those vehicles, they seem so bland. I want buttons damnit, and lots of them. Seriously, as a "driver" I look at the interior of the car more than the exterior.