New Crazy Car Soap from Japan
09-17-14, 12:11 PM
#16
Correct me if I'm wrong. I thought we can have one "strong" protection such as Opticoat and top it off with some "temporary" protection such as wax/sealant or even quick detailer would be double protection. I know the paint on my car is so slick that nothing really can stick to it with this double protection. I thought you do this on your car too in one of your posts?? Am i missing something, Zack? 
Traditional waxes and sealants will most likely not do well on top of a coated vehicle because they simply won't adhere to the coating. Products like CarPro Reload and 22ple VS1 Final Coat are formulated to be used on top of paint coatings to provide additional protection and gloss that lasts for months and can be reapplied as much as you'd like, but is not 'needed' (they can also be used on non-coated vehicles).
These products contain silica (like the coatings), so they have similar great dirt repelling, glossy, slick, hydrophobic properties of the paint coating... therefore you are not loosing any of those great properties by adding this additional layer of product on top of your coating.
If you apply a wax on top of a coating, you will notice that it most likely does not repel dirt as well (and typically attracts dust quicker), and it may also have different appearance characteristics.
Hope that helps explain the difference.
-Zach
09-23-14, 11:18 AM
#17
Yep - there are certain products that are meant to work well on top of coatings, while most do not.
Traditional waxes and sealants will most likely not do well on top of a coated vehicle because they simply won't adhere to the coating. Products like CarPro Reload and 22ple VS1 Final Coat are formulated to be used on top of paint coatings to provide additional protection and gloss that lasts for months and can be reapplied as much as you'd like, but is not 'needed' (they can also be used on non-coated vehicles).
These products contain silica (like the coatings), so they have similar great dirt repelling, glossy, slick, hydrophobic properties of the paint coating... therefore you are not loosing any of those great properties by adding this additional layer of product on top of your coating.
If you apply a wax on top of a coating, you will notice that it most likely does not repel dirt as well (and typically attracts dust quicker), and it may also have different appearance characteristics.
Hope that helps explain the difference.
-Zach
Traditional waxes and sealants will most likely not do well on top of a coated vehicle because they simply won't adhere to the coating. Products like CarPro Reload and 22ple VS1 Final Coat are formulated to be used on top of paint coatings to provide additional protection and gloss that lasts for months and can be reapplied as much as you'd like, but is not 'needed' (they can also be used on non-coated vehicles).
These products contain silica (like the coatings), so they have similar great dirt repelling, glossy, slick, hydrophobic properties of the paint coating... therefore you are not loosing any of those great properties by adding this additional layer of product on top of your coating.
If you apply a wax on top of a coating, you will notice that it most likely does not repel dirt as well (and typically attracts dust quicker), and it may also have different appearance characteristics.
Hope that helps explain the difference.
-Zach
One interesting thing i find out about Opticoat is that it shows water stain (not water spot) so easily if not dry quick enough. They are not permanent and can be washed off with detailer and such but by applying the detailer such as one above on top of the Opticoat seems to solve this problem.
10-06-14, 11:46 AM
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I imagine a product like this contains plenty of fillers that are used to hide defects similar to a glaze?
When most professionals describe the 'polishing process' we are referring to the use of a product which contains micro abrasives that are used in combination with a machine (or sometimes by hand) and polishing pad to remove a fine layer of paint in order to level the surface, thus eliminating defects such as swirls and scratches (not hiding them) as shown in the 50/50 shot below.... there is no way a product like this could produce these types of correction results, therefore it is best to acknowledge that the term "polish" is loosely defined with certain types of products like this.
EDIT: just watched the video in which it specifically states it fills in defects and does not remove them... as I expected. Buyer beware... the results that this product creates are temporary at best as the defects still remain and will reappear once the product wears away. This is a typical trick used by dealership detailers and body shops to make vehicles look fantastic at first, but they will look awful again after several washes. Do it right and correct the paint properly... Just my $.02 on the matter.
When most professionals describe the 'polishing process' we are referring to the use of a product which contains micro abrasives that are used in combination with a machine (or sometimes by hand) and polishing pad to remove a fine layer of paint in order to level the surface, thus eliminating defects such as swirls and scratches (not hiding them) as shown in the 50/50 shot below.... there is no way a product like this could produce these types of correction results, therefore it is best to acknowledge that the term "polish" is loosely defined with certain types of products like this.
EDIT: just watched the video in which it specifically states it fills in defects and does not remove them... as I expected. Buyer beware... the results that this product creates are temporary at best as the defects still remain and will reappear once the product wears away. This is a typical trick used by dealership detailers and body shops to make vehicles look fantastic at first, but they will look awful again after several washes. Do it right and correct the paint properly... Just my $.02 on the matter.
I think the product is high quality car soup with filler effect that temporarily hide the swirl marks. However, the guy who show the washing method can do some damaging to the car paint.
I'm no expert detailer but washing a car with that sponge and in a circular motion. Not to mention he did not even use the 2 water bucket system. This will likely creates more swirl marks for your car than eliminating it.
My suggestion is this: Have a professional apply a coating to your car such as Opticoat and then use this high quality car soup product on a weekly/biweekly basis with a 2 bucket water system. Then you will rarely have a swirl mark. Both my car (12 IS250, 06 IS350) have little to no swirl mark in so many years and they look BETTER than new after every wash.
I'm no expert detailer but washing a car with that sponge and in a circular motion. Not to mention he did not even use the 2 water bucket system. This will likely creates more swirl marks for your car than eliminating it.
My suggestion is this: Have a professional apply a coating to your car such as Opticoat and then use this high quality car soup product on a weekly/biweekly basis with a 2 bucket water system. Then you will rarely have a swirl mark. Both my car (12 IS250, 06 IS350) have little to no swirl mark in so many years and they look BETTER than new after every wash.
http://www.jdmchemicals.com/body-car...ium-cloth.html
Sorry that we got all of the expert detailers all riled up.
Last edited by RobrosCustoms; 10-06-14 at 02:48 PM.
10-06-14, 08:30 PM
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[QUOTE=zmcgovern4;8707146]I imagine a product like this contains plenty of fillers that are used to hide defects similar to a glaze?
When most professionals describe the 'polishing process' we are referring to the use of a product which contains micro abrasives that are used in combination with a machine (or sometimes by hand) and polishing pad to remove a fine layer of paint in order to level the surface, thus eliminating defects such as swirls and scratches (not hiding them) as shown in the 50/50 shot below.... there is no way a product like this could produce these types of correction results, therefore it is best to acknowledge that the term "polish" is loosely defined with certain types of products like this.
to this post, with Zach here. Might be some good stuff for a car that already is clean and not in need of repair.
When most professionals describe the 'polishing process' we are referring to the use of a product which contains micro abrasives that are used in combination with a machine (or sometimes by hand) and polishing pad to remove a fine layer of paint in order to level the surface, thus eliminating defects such as swirls and scratches (not hiding them) as shown in the 50/50 shot below.... there is no way a product like this could produce these types of correction results, therefore it is best to acknowledge that the term "polish" is loosely defined with certain types of products like this.
to this post, with Zach here. Might be some good stuff for a car that already is clean and not in need of repair.
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