Acrylic or Carnauba sealent?
05-24-12, 03:03 PM
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acrylic sealant... if you can try and choose another brand other than klasse. the acrylic sealant will protect your car better than a carnuba wax which usually is for a nice glossy shine not to much for protection. or you can apply the acrylic sealant then apply the carnba wax over the sealant which will add more shine and protection.
05-25-12, 01:22 AM
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actually +10
lol
ive had years of experience with collinute #476
amazing stuff, lasts almost forever and is carnauba based
for something that gives that sort of lust and shine, it is truely amazing how long it lasts
05-25-12, 05:06 AM
#6
Just a FYI... Meguiar's makes a carnauba wax based product and several sealants. For example, #26 High-Tech Yellow Wax is a pure carnauba wax while their Ultimate Wax and NXT 2.0 are sealants.
The choice of whether to go with a carnauba wax or a sealant is complicated. In general sealants last longer and protect better against most industrial contaminants. They are easy to apply and remove and leave a plasticky or highly reflective look, kind of like being wrapped in plastic wrap, due to the way they reflect light. Carnaubas, OTOH, offer better protection against acidic types of contamination, things like bird droppings, acid rain, etc. They are also easy to apply and remove and offer a deeper warmer gloss, often noticably darkening the color by a shade or two due to the way they refract light. Carnauba's offer stunning depth on darker colors, leaving a black car looking like you could fall into it.
You can also apply a pure carnauba wax over a cured sealant to get better protection, longer life and that warm glow. Keep in mind Carnaubas tend to evaporate in very hot temperatures while sealants do not.
To my eye, some colors look much better with a sealant and others with a carnauba. It's a personal preference.
There are also hybrid products which contain both carnauba and sealants. Meguiar's makes Gold Class Carnauba Plus wax which is such a hybrid.
An example of a pure carnauba wax from Meguiars is #26, High Tech Yellow Wax.
Some sealants from Meguiar's include:
NXT Tech Wax 2.0 and Ultimate Wax in their consumer line, #20 Polymer Sealant and #21 Synthetic Sealant in their professional line, and D157 Synthetic X-Press Wax in their detailer line
I point all this out as Meguiar's likes to call all their consumer line paint protection products a wax. They believe that "Joe consumer" will go to the auto store for a can or bottle of wax and doesn't care to know what's in the can. I believe they're right in that many of my relatives and even some friends are comfortable with waxing their car a couple times year but fear a sealant might be too technical or difficult for them. Their eyes glaze over if I try to explain the difference, LOL.
There is a third category of product called a coating. Some examples are A-Quartz, C-Quartz and Opti-Coat 2.0. Coatings are similar to sealants but provide a permanent coating that is many times thicker than a wax or sealant. They are like a second clear coat. The advantage here is much superior protection for paint. These coatings also can be applied to chrome and stainless trim. They are tough and must be polished off to remove them. Bottom line, better protection for your paint. They also offer this benefit. As your paint becomes marred and swirled, this coating can be polished off and redone. This leaves your paint and clear-coat completely intact. There is no loss of UV protection or gloss due to thinning of the clear coat as swirls are polished out.
The choice of whether to go with a carnauba wax or a sealant is complicated. In general sealants last longer and protect better against most industrial contaminants. They are easy to apply and remove and leave a plasticky or highly reflective look, kind of like being wrapped in plastic wrap, due to the way they reflect light. Carnaubas, OTOH, offer better protection against acidic types of contamination, things like bird droppings, acid rain, etc. They are also easy to apply and remove and offer a deeper warmer gloss, often noticably darkening the color by a shade or two due to the way they refract light. Carnauba's offer stunning depth on darker colors, leaving a black car looking like you could fall into it.
You can also apply a pure carnauba wax over a cured sealant to get better protection, longer life and that warm glow. Keep in mind Carnaubas tend to evaporate in very hot temperatures while sealants do not.
To my eye, some colors look much better with a sealant and others with a carnauba. It's a personal preference.
There are also hybrid products which contain both carnauba and sealants. Meguiar's makes Gold Class Carnauba Plus wax which is such a hybrid.
An example of a pure carnauba wax from Meguiars is #26, High Tech Yellow Wax.
Some sealants from Meguiar's include:
NXT Tech Wax 2.0 and Ultimate Wax in their consumer line, #20 Polymer Sealant and #21 Synthetic Sealant in their professional line, and D157 Synthetic X-Press Wax in their detailer line
I point all this out as Meguiar's likes to call all their consumer line paint protection products a wax. They believe that "Joe consumer" will go to the auto store for a can or bottle of wax and doesn't care to know what's in the can. I believe they're right in that many of my relatives and even some friends are comfortable with waxing their car a couple times year but fear a sealant might be too technical or difficult for them. Their eyes glaze over if I try to explain the difference, LOL.
There is a third category of product called a coating. Some examples are A-Quartz, C-Quartz and Opti-Coat 2.0. Coatings are similar to sealants but provide a permanent coating that is many times thicker than a wax or sealant. They are like a second clear coat. The advantage here is much superior protection for paint. These coatings also can be applied to chrome and stainless trim. They are tough and must be polished off to remove them. Bottom line, better protection for your paint. They also offer this benefit. As your paint becomes marred and swirled, this coating can be polished off and redone. This leaves your paint and clear-coat completely intact. There is no loss of UV protection or gloss due to thinning of the clear coat as swirls are polished out.
Last edited by jfelbab; 05-25-12 at 05:17 AM.
05-25-12, 03:16 PM
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acrylic sealant... if you can try and choose another brand other than klasse. the acrylic sealant will protect your car better than a carnuba wax which usually is for a nice glossy shine not to much for protection. or you can apply the acrylic sealant then apply the carnba wax over the sealant which will add more shine and protection.
In most cases a sealant will provide much longer protection and will stay on your finish much longer then a carnuba. The exception is Colonite carnubas like 476S which stays on your finish longer and offers better protection then pretty much all sealants. It is excellent and does not cost much. Blackfire is an excellent sealant and easy to work with. Zaino makes an excellent long lasting sealant too.
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05-26-12, 07:44 AM
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Have you had a bad experience with Klass? They make a very good product, unfortunately the current version is not as good/potent as what they had in the past I believe due to environmental regulations/cost. There is a pretty rare product called Jeff Werkstatt that is said to be just like the original Klass AIO, I have JW and it is very good but the sealant is difficult to remove especially if you use too much.
In most cases a sealant will provide much longer protection and will stay on your finish much longer then a carnuba. The exception is Colonite carnubas like 476S which stays on your finish longer and offers better protection then pretty much all sealants. It is excellent and does not cost much. Blackfire is an excellent sealant and easy to work with. Zaino makes an excellent long lasting sealant too.
In most cases a sealant will provide much longer protection and will stay on your finish much longer then a carnuba. The exception is Colonite carnubas like 476S which stays on your finish longer and offers better protection then pretty much all sealants. It is excellent and does not cost much. Blackfire is an excellent sealant and easy to work with. Zaino makes an excellent long lasting sealant too.
05-29-12, 10:28 AM
#9
I also use Prima products, for the same reasons. I would point out that they have recently come out with a new sealer called "Hydro Seal" that is even easier to apply, and seems to last even longer. They have another product called "Banana Gloss" that's sort of an "in between sealer applications" type of product, that actually has carnuba in it. I personally like the deeper, warmer feel carnuba brings to darker paint, but I would NEVER give up the durability and ease of use that synthetics provide.
05-29-12, 09:27 PM
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Having used Collinite 845 and Super Double coat, I don't get what the hype is. I'm not saying it is a bad product, it's not it is a good product and gives a nice shine. I just don't find it to be any better than many other products I've used. Also the longevity claims, my usage doesn't back them up either, I found that Collinite lasts about the same as others. BTW Collinite Double coat can be very difficult to remove if you let it dry too long.
As for the look of a synthetics, I personally don't like them that much the plastic like effect turns me off but I do like the ease of applying them.
As for the look of a synthetics, I personally don't like them that much the plastic like effect turns me off but I do like the ease of applying them.
06-06-12, 06:37 AM
#11
Having used Collinite 845 and Super Double coat, I don't get what the hype is. I'm not saying it is a bad product, it's not it is a good product and gives a nice shine. I just don't find it to be any better than many other products I've used. Also the longevity claims, my usage doesn't back them up either, I found that Collinite lasts about the same as others. BTW Collinite Double coat can be very difficult to remove if you let it dry too long.
As for the look of a synthetics, I personally don't like them that much the plastic like effect turns me off but I do like the ease of applying them.
As for the look of a synthetics, I personally don't like them that much the plastic like effect turns me off but I do like the ease of applying them.
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