A little how-to on chip repair.
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A little how-to on chip repair.
Hey guys - I posted this over at G35driver because I frequent it, but since I also enjoy this forum I thought I'd post here too. Nevermind that the car is an Infiniti, just pretend it says "L E X U S" 
In my experience Lexus paint is a lot like Infiniti paint - soft and easily marred, so the same principles and prodcut choices apply.
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Remember, everything in this post is my opinion only. There ARE other ways to do this and lots of different products you can use. Also, remember that trying this is at your own risk. Damaging a paint via PC is hard, but with sandpaper it's very easy. So let's start:
What you'll need:
1) Matched paint. A jar is best, a pen is ok. You can get it at a dealer or local automotive store.
2) A fine paint brush (medium bristles, fine tip), and/or a plastic toothpick.
3) Rubbing alcohol, some automotive wash soap, access to water.
4) Some sandpaper. I like Meg's unigrit 2000 and 3000. Non-unigrit and less than 2k at your own risk.
5) A sanding block. Both soft and hard work. I prefer soft as it is easier to manipulate and can go around curves.
6) Polishes. What kind of polishes will depend on if you're using a PC or not. I will be using a PC, but will include by-hand instructions.
Onward.
First make sure the car has been washed, what wash you use is up to you. How you wash it is also up to you but remember, two buckets and a quality mitt (or 3).
Second, make sure the area you're repairing is clean. By clean I mean no sealants, waxes, nothing. To do this you'll need to a) use a cleaner polish or b) (my choice), wipe with ISA:water. What's that? It's rubbing alcohol (the regular 70% kind) mixed 50:50 in a spray bottle with water. Spray the area thoroughly and wipe. Do this twice. You want *no* dirt, wax, anything in the chip.
Alright, so filling in the chip/scratch. Two ways to do this, first I will go with my choice for chips and that's using a plastic toothpick. Before I go on, there are good instructions on how to do this here: http://autopia-carcare.com/inf-paint-polish-clinic.html. I basically follow the same process. Dip the toothpick into the paint about half way up, then touch the tip of the pick to the center of the chip and capillary action will pull the paint into the chip. It will take a couple passes to level it out so let the paint dry at least 4 hours in between and be patient.
The other way is good too, but less accurate. It's good for scratches that are larger than chips and would take too long to fill in via the toothpick method. Put a little paint on to your brush (very little, immerse maybe 1/4 of the brushes tip), and touch the tip to the center of the scratch. You'll see the paint pull into the scratch. Depending on the size begin to move the brush in one direction through the scratch. Repeat this every 4 hours until you're level.
Whether or not you add a layer of clear is up to you. I normally do as I find it makes the paint match better after sanding/polishing.
Alright, so now you have a blob, sort of like this:
Or in the case of a scratch, like this:
No go have a beer and wait until tomorrow (or better yet, two days from now, then come back). This is important - let the paint dry or odds are you'll pop the chip right out when sanding.
The night before you said put the sandpaper in some water and let is soak overnight.
Alright so sanding time. This is the tricky part so go slow and be patient. Make sure the paper is right on the block (you'll probably have to cut it) and then spray the blob with a mixture of water and some soap (just mix some in a spray bottle), spray liberally and then start sanding. I like to sand against the blob, so the figure out which way the blob is longer and sand the opposite way. Sand very light, apply almost no pressure and try to keep the block flat. Also, sand in one direction, not back and forth. It's counter-intuitive but it helps. So swipe one way, lift, then repeat. Check your work often by wiping away with a mf towel. Before you do spray the area liberally again with the soapy water to lift up any particulates. You're done when the blob is level with the paint (as in, you can not feel it by running your finger over it gently). You'll have something that looks like this:
And you'll probably be really nervous, but you're ok. As long as you were patient and sanded lightly you will not have removed more than a fraction of your clear. Just be careful!
Now clean the area with your ISA:water and get ready to polish.
If you're polishing by hand I hope you used uni-grit and 2500+ paper, because otherwise you're going to be really sweaty when this is over. Assuming you did grab your polish of choice. Products I like by hand are:
Sonus SFX-2
Poorboys SSR2.5
Menzerna Intensive Polish
Meg's ScratchX
I'd start with something like Sonus SFX-2 or PB's 2.5 on a cotton applicator. Apply a dab about the size of a quarter then start to rub. You *will* need to apply pressure and move quickly. You're trying to generate heat. Repeat until the marring is gone, or 90% gone then use ScratchX to clean it up. You should have nice smooth paint, and the chip should be 100% gone. Remember, working by hand is tough - so you might not achieve the results you want. If that's the case I always recommend investing in a PC.
By PC I like the same products (minus the ScratchX and add Optimum Compound), or if you're in a hurry SFX-1, Menzerna PG, or PB's SSR3. I usually use SFX-2 via or Optimum Compound an orange LC pad (medium abrasive), and just polish as normal. Apply a couple dabs to the pad, work in at speed 3 for 20-30 seconds and apply enough pressure than the PC almost bogs down, then kick it to 6 and apply the same pressure until the polish flashes. One or two passes will take out 2500-3000 grit marks easily.
Now, if you have some marring that isn't coming out you can do one of two things. One, use a stronger combo of pad+polish, or two, sand again with a higher grit then polish.
When you're done clean again with isa:water then apply the wax/sealant on your choice and call it a day. Here are the afters of the chips/scratches I posted above.
The blob was in the circle.
Scratch was in the circle.
Questions, comments? You know where to find me.
In my experience Lexus paint is a lot like Infiniti paint - soft and easily marred, so the same principles and prodcut choices apply.
================================================
Remember, everything in this post is my opinion only. There ARE other ways to do this and lots of different products you can use. Also, remember that trying this is at your own risk. Damaging a paint via PC is hard, but with sandpaper it's very easy. So let's start:
What you'll need:
1) Matched paint. A jar is best, a pen is ok. You can get it at a dealer or local automotive store.
2) A fine paint brush (medium bristles, fine tip), and/or a plastic toothpick.
3) Rubbing alcohol, some automotive wash soap, access to water.
4) Some sandpaper. I like Meg's unigrit 2000 and 3000. Non-unigrit and less than 2k at your own risk.
5) A sanding block. Both soft and hard work. I prefer soft as it is easier to manipulate and can go around curves.
6) Polishes. What kind of polishes will depend on if you're using a PC or not. I will be using a PC, but will include by-hand instructions.
Onward.
First make sure the car has been washed, what wash you use is up to you. How you wash it is also up to you but remember, two buckets and a quality mitt (or 3).
Second, make sure the area you're repairing is clean. By clean I mean no sealants, waxes, nothing. To do this you'll need to a) use a cleaner polish or b) (my choice), wipe with ISA:water. What's that? It's rubbing alcohol (the regular 70% kind) mixed 50:50 in a spray bottle with water. Spray the area thoroughly and wipe. Do this twice. You want *no* dirt, wax, anything in the chip.
Alright, so filling in the chip/scratch. Two ways to do this, first I will go with my choice for chips and that's using a plastic toothpick. Before I go on, there are good instructions on how to do this here: http://autopia-carcare.com/inf-paint-polish-clinic.html. I basically follow the same process. Dip the toothpick into the paint about half way up, then touch the tip of the pick to the center of the chip and capillary action will pull the paint into the chip. It will take a couple passes to level it out so let the paint dry at least 4 hours in between and be patient.
The other way is good too, but less accurate. It's good for scratches that are larger than chips and would take too long to fill in via the toothpick method. Put a little paint on to your brush (very little, immerse maybe 1/4 of the brushes tip), and touch the tip to the center of the scratch. You'll see the paint pull into the scratch. Depending on the size begin to move the brush in one direction through the scratch. Repeat this every 4 hours until you're level.
Whether or not you add a layer of clear is up to you. I normally do as I find it makes the paint match better after sanding/polishing.
Alright, so now you have a blob, sort of like this:
Or in the case of a scratch, like this:
No go have a beer and wait until tomorrow (or better yet, two days from now, then come back). This is important - let the paint dry or odds are you'll pop the chip right out when sanding.
The night before you said put the sandpaper in some water and let is soak overnight.
Alright so sanding time. This is the tricky part so go slow and be patient. Make sure the paper is right on the block (you'll probably have to cut it) and then spray the blob with a mixture of water and some soap (just mix some in a spray bottle), spray liberally and then start sanding. I like to sand against the blob, so the figure out which way the blob is longer and sand the opposite way. Sand very light, apply almost no pressure and try to keep the block flat. Also, sand in one direction, not back and forth. It's counter-intuitive but it helps. So swipe one way, lift, then repeat. Check your work often by wiping away with a mf towel. Before you do spray the area liberally again with the soapy water to lift up any particulates. You're done when the blob is level with the paint (as in, you can not feel it by running your finger over it gently). You'll have something that looks like this:
And you'll probably be really nervous, but you're ok. As long as you were patient and sanded lightly you will not have removed more than a fraction of your clear. Just be careful!
Now clean the area with your ISA:water and get ready to polish.
If you're polishing by hand I hope you used uni-grit and 2500+ paper, because otherwise you're going to be really sweaty when this is over. Assuming you did grab your polish of choice. Products I like by hand are:
Sonus SFX-2
Poorboys SSR2.5
Menzerna Intensive Polish
Meg's ScratchX
I'd start with something like Sonus SFX-2 or PB's 2.5 on a cotton applicator. Apply a dab about the size of a quarter then start to rub. You *will* need to apply pressure and move quickly. You're trying to generate heat. Repeat until the marring is gone, or 90% gone then use ScratchX to clean it up. You should have nice smooth paint, and the chip should be 100% gone. Remember, working by hand is tough - so you might not achieve the results you want. If that's the case I always recommend investing in a PC.
By PC I like the same products (minus the ScratchX and add Optimum Compound), or if you're in a hurry SFX-1, Menzerna PG, or PB's SSR3. I usually use SFX-2 via or Optimum Compound an orange LC pad (medium abrasive), and just polish as normal. Apply a couple dabs to the pad, work in at speed 3 for 20-30 seconds and apply enough pressure than the PC almost bogs down, then kick it to 6 and apply the same pressure until the polish flashes. One or two passes will take out 2500-3000 grit marks easily.
Now, if you have some marring that isn't coming out you can do one of two things. One, use a stronger combo of pad+polish, or two, sand again with a higher grit then polish.
When you're done clean again with isa:water then apply the wax/sealant on your choice and call it a day. Here are the afters of the chips/scratches I posted above.
The blob was in the circle.
Scratch was in the circle.
Questions, comments? You know where to find me.
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04-18-06, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TexasGS
Great write up 
. I think this is some very useful information and very detailed "how to". I can't believe you marked on your car with red Sharpie 
. LOL.
. I think this is some very useful information and very detailed "how to". I can't believe you marked on your car with red Sharpie . LOL.
04-18-06, 08:32 AM
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I should have supplied alternatives to sanding but sanding is just what I do. If you're interested in alternatives try out Langka (www.langka.com) or top of the line's touch up repair kit (http://www.topoftheline.com/scuff-remover-touch-up.html), either will work if you're patient. I don't think the results with them are as good as sanding, but it's pretty close and a lot less stressful.
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If you're just filling in rock chips I'd say it's ok to drive it within 4 hours. Odds are you won't get a rock chip in the same location. Before 4 hours and you might get dust in the paint. If it's a scratch, or you're using a spray can to repair the scratch/chip I would definitely wait till the next day to drive. Parking outside overnight should be ok provided the paint has a few hours to dry before you put it outside. Basically you're just trying to keep dust and dirt off of it while it's wet.
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wow.. great write up. i can't see the scratch at all in the pics... but in person are you able to tell if there was a scratch there? some AWSOME information!!!
BUT i'm too scared to attempt to this on my car.
BUT i'm too scared to attempt to this on my car.
04-23-06, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ShaneC
wow.. great write up. i can't see the scratch at all in the pics... but in person are you able to tell if there was a scratch there? some AWSOME information!!!
BUT i'm too scared to attempt to this on my car.
BUT i'm too scared to attempt to this on my car.
04-24-06, 01:14 AM
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That is amazing! Do you get the same results on all colors? Where did you get that black obsidian touch up paint at? My g/fs g35, black obsidian, has a few minor chips on the hood and bumper; she refused clear bra as she hated the look of that line it creates when dusty, but now feeling the consqeuences.
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Originally Posted by Alexus_300
Where can you find the sand paper and the sanding block if you don't mind me asking...
Originally Posted by 92 SC400
That is amazing! Do you get the same results on all colors? Where did you get that black obsidian touch up paint at? My g/fs g35, black obsidian, has a few minor chips on the hood and bumper; she refused clear bra as she hated the look of that line it creates when dusty, but now feeling the consqeuences.
04-24-06, 06:48 AM
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aside from the dent, do you think there is anything i could do to try and help this thing? Its a dent a down to metal chip and a scratch. I covered everything up with touch up paint back two years ago but i really want to try and get this thing looking better as its the only major blemish to my paint.
Do you think your process would help this? If so then im going to go out and buy everything and try to help this thing.
Do you think your process would help this? If so then im going to go out and buy everything and try to help this thing.
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Well the first thing I would do is have the dent popped out and/or filled in. It'll be much easier to fix the paint and I find peoples eyes focus more on dents than scratches anyway.
Regarding the scratches I think wetsanding is a good option for a touchup like that. After the dent is popped I'd make sure the touchup paint is still in good shape (it should be), then I'd do exactly what I mentioned in the first post - clean, sand, polish. If you do attempt it and have any questions I'll be happy to help.
Regarding the scratches I think wetsanding is a good option for a touchup like that. After the dent is popped I'd make sure the touchup paint is still in good shape (it should be), then I'd do exactly what I mentioned in the first post - clean, sand, polish. If you do attempt it and have any questions I'll be happy to help.