California to regulate what bulbs consumers must use?

[bitkahuna]

(Well I'm already using CF bulbs everywhere in my home that I can!)


Bid to ban common light bulb
31/01/2007 - 18:26:19

A Californian politician wants the state to be the first in the US to ban the common light bulb.

Assemblyman Lloyd Levine said compact fluorescent light bulbs are so efficient that consumers should be forced to use them.

The bulbs use a quarter the energy of a conventional light, and some electric utilities give them away to customers.

Levine wants common bulbs banned by 2012.

“Incandescent light bulbs were first developed almost 125 years ago, and since that time they have undergone no major modifications,” Levine said. “It is time to take a step forward.”

Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is known for pushing laws that favour the environment, has not yet taken a position on the Bill.

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/stor...981&p=8z567z6x

[CK6Speed]

I use CF bulbs myself in almost everything that it can fit. However, I do not agree with forcing people to use it. What if people just like the warm glow of the incandescent bulb and prefer it to the white light of the CF bulb? Is California then going to ban the use of night lights since it waste electricity? Anyway, I'd be surprised if this actually passes.

[mmarshall]

Flourescent lights can be a pain in the a**. They constantly flicker, especially as they age a little, are often difficult to put in and out, sometimes don't light up for the full length of the bulb, and can be dangerous if the gas in them explodes.

This legislation, IMO, is pure garbage, and if passed, will probably stir up the CA voters and cause a rebellion just like with Gray Davis several years ago.

[cpone]

Latest report:

Peoples Republic of San Francisco has now seized the rest of its surrounding areas. Is in the process of naming the state : The Peoples Republic of California.

More with Brit Humme after the break.

[mmarshall]

Originally Posted by cpone

Latest report:

Peoples Republic of San Francisco has now seized the rest of its surrounding areas. Is in the process of naming the state : The Peoples Republic of California.

Yes...Nancy Pelosi can quit her job as Speaker to go back to San Francisco and and be PRC's first President.

[bmgs400]

...and then the cost of CF bulbs will quadruple. There already 500% more (that's 5x) than plain incandescent bulbs.

This is so rediculous! Might as well ban automobiles that get less than 20 mpg.

[1SICKLEX]

Originally Posted by cpone

Latest report:

Peoples Republic of San Francisco has now seized the rest of its surrounding areas. Is in the process of naming the state : The Peoples Republic of California.

More with Brit Humme after the break.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DASHOCKER]

Originally Posted by bmgs400

...and then the cost of CF bulbs will quadruple. There already 500% more (that's 5x) than plain incandescent bulbs.

This is so rediculous! Might as well ban automobiles that get less than 20 mpg.

It pays for itself over time. I have them in my home. Brighter and cooler than standard.. Home Depot has the 7 pack for a good price

[EmeraldLexuSC3]

Nevermind the lack of evidence behind "Man made global warming" for starters, but I’m guessing California has solved all of its major problems to tackle an issue like this
The people of California have the right to buy and use whatever light bulb they choose, not a light bulb that is “efficient” enough for a politician’s liking.
Next they are going to tell us that it should be against the law to spank our kids!......

[bmgs400]

Originally Posted by EmeraldLexuSC3

Next they are going to tell us that it should be against the law to spank our kids!......

You know I read they want to do exactly that...http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/16496806.htm

Governor receptive to no-spanking bill
By Kate Folmar and Mike Zapler
MediaNews Sacramento Bureau

* Previous coverage: No-spank bill on way
* Vote: Should California ban spanking of young kids?

SACRAMENTO - Growing up in Austria, Arnold Schwarzenegger said he ``got smacked about everything.'' But when it comes to disciplining his four children, Schwarzenegger said he and his wife ``never'' resort to spanking.

As governor, Schwarzenegger on Thursday expressed an open mind to a controversial proposal that would ban parents from spanking a child under the age of 3.

He hinted that he has concerns about how the bill could be enforced -- ``Is it that when you see someone spank a kid, you go and say, `Can I see the birth certificate of the kid?' '' But he didn't smack down the idea either, saying he understands the desire to ``get rid of the physical, the brutal behavior that some parents have.''

The proposal, from Assemblywoman Sally Lieber of Mountain View, has stirred considerable controversy since the Mercury News first publicized it in Thursday's paper. In an online forum, Mercury News reader sentiment was overwhelmingly against such a bill.

It's ``nanny-politics,'' one reader said. ``Fine,'' opined a reader calling himself ``Big Poppa,'' ``then a bill should be passed to allow other parents to smack the parents of undisciplined children.'' Others took personal swipes at Lieber, who is married and has a cat named Snoop, but no children.

Sipping espresso during a 30-minute interview with the Mercury News Thursday, Schwarzenegger was more circumspect.

``I just want to find out from her exactly the way she envisions it and to enforce it and what the whole thing is about,'' the governor said. ``But I think any time we try to pass laws that say you've got to protect the kids, it's, in general, always good. So we have to find out more about it.''

Schwarzenegger described a childhood in Austria where cultural mores were very different than in current day America.

``I grew up, I got smacked about everything. That was the way Austria worked. You know, I think it maybe had something to do with after the war. People were maybe more angry and more frustrated, you know, having lost the war or whatever else. So there was a lot of other things, a lot of drinking when I grew up.''

``Here,'' he added, ``I feel like the parenting is quite different. And the communication between parent and children is quite different, which is very pleasing.''

The governor spoke of his childhood with no discernible bitterness. It didn't occur to him to question his father's disciplinary methods. Everyone else's parents did the same thing.

Schwarzenegger recalled parent-teacher conferences in the 1950s and '60s. All the students would sit in a classroom studying as their parents took turns talking to the teacher about class behavior and grades.

At one conference, Schwarzenegger recalled, his father, after conferring with the teacher, walked over to him and smacked him in front of the other kids. Afterward, his father walked back to the teacher to shake hands. ``They would exchange cigarettes or something like that and then walk out.

``I didn't feel terrible about it because then the farm lady came in with the cane,'' walked up to her son and ``whacked him with the stick,'' Schwarzenegger added. ``It was . . . wild -- not wild then, but wild looking back now. It's just two different worlds.''

The governor was exposed to different child-rearing strategies by the family of first lady Maria Shriver, which relied on ``no physicality at all, just communication.'' Now, when the four Schwarzenegger kids misbehave, they are talked to or barred from social outings.

As for spanking them, he said, ``Never. None of our kids ever was touched. Absolutely not.''

Lieber, who is promoting the anti-spanking proposal, said her ``heart goes out to him to hear he was beaten; that's just not right.''

But, the Democrat said, she is ``very pleased he's going to give it a fair hearing.''

Lieber said she didn't mind the barrage of criticism her idea has sparked, saying that she believes her proposal has triggered a needed debate. Her office was inundated Thursday with calls from media outlets and people who read about her idea. She said she plans to introduce her bill next week.

``You can't in one breath say you value children,'' she said, ``and then in the other breath say we're going to tolerate beatings that are sanctioned by law.''
Contact Kate Folmar at kfolmar@mercurynews.com or (916) 441-4602 and read her at the www.mercextra. com/politics blog.

[SoCalSC4]

Flourescent bulbs are great... for the shop or the garage.

They have no warmth, and I can't dim them. My house is all about ambient lighting, not direct light; everything is on dimmers, and I use quite a bit of accent light sources and focused overhead cans. I dislike the "coldness" and glare of CFs in the house.

If this happens, I'll just buy bulbs out of state.

[GS wanted]

California legislators just think everyone else isn't enlightened enough. Or, maybe that others are still in the dark. Ba-dum-ping...

[EmeraldLexuSC3]

Originally Posted by bmgs400

You know I read they want to do exactly that...http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/16496806.htm

I know...........I was seeing if someonew out there was paying attention, to just how screwed up our state is in it's way of thinking.
Mind you, this is coming from one (Lieber) who has not raised nor given birth to a child!
"Abortion is okay for these looney libs, but no spanking."
Besides, there is a difference between discipline and child abuse! We already have laws in regrads to abuse.
And now if this stupid law passes, and the parent(s) are fined and imprisoned for the alledged "abuse", what happens to the child???...sent to a already broken "Foster care" system....give me a break! Talk about scared for life!

[bitkahuna]

Originally Posted by mmarshall

Flourescent lights can be a pain in the a**. They constantly flicker, especially as they age a little, are often difficult to put in and out, sometimes don't light up for the full length of the bulb, and can be dangerous if the gas in them explodes.

Er sorry Mike, you're a bit out of touch on this one.

http://www.1000bulbs.com/images/tcp_9w_10709_600x.jpg

Yes, that's a fluorescent bulb. I use ones like this and others which consume 7-15W of power, produce almost no heat, which is where MOST of the electricity is consumed with incandescent bulbs. I've put them in my table lamps, front gate lights, outside carriage/sconce lights and my ceiling fans have ring fluorescent fixtures. I still have can lights in a lot of places, all with dimmers, so I almost never run them full tilt. Like SoCalSC4, I like ambient, dimmed lighting.

The only down side to them is that they take a minute or so to achieve full brightness, but that's not an issue. I tend not to turn on a table lamp for just a minute, and my outside lights go on at dusk and off at dawn automatically (for security, primarily).

[1SICKLEX]

Boston check
Cali check...

lol