Presidential Speech Last Night...

TXSTYLE · 09-12-06, 08:18 AM

Uhhhmmm... Was this a videotape of one of his previous speeches about 3 years ago?

"Stay the course."

That's about all I heard... same ol' stubborn BS.

cherplex · 09-12-06, 10:02 AM

Yup nothing new to say but kept pushing his Iraq agenda in memory of 911 why. He himself said Iraq had nothing to do with 911. This administration is full of it Iraq had WMD...boohoo Iran is gonna have one soon yea ok but what about North Korea who is far ahead of Iran...um..silence....exactly. Oh yea don't forget about our porous borders.

mmarshall · 09-12-06, 10:29 AM

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"Stay the course."

That's about all I heard... same ol' stubborn BS.

There's a difference between stubbornness and being persistant when you are confronted with a difficult issue. Freedom doesn't come cheap....never did. I'm glad that we have a President, at least, who understands that even if many other people don't.

Lexmex · 09-12-06, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mmarshall

There's a difference between stubbornness and being persistant when you are confronted with a difficult issue. Freedom doesn't come cheap....never did. I'm glad that we have a President, at least, who understands that even if many other people don't.

Amen, that makes two of us.

mikeloc24 · 09-12-06, 01:16 PM

I'm tired of this hunkering, stuttering president thinking he can consistently put one over on the American public. We were all shocked and deeply hurt y the events on 9/11...we were fine with the war in Afghanistan...okay, cool...they had training grounds there for terriorists. Okay. Fine. But to try to consistently shove Iraq down our throats as if that has something to do with 9/11 is very disrespectful. Bush will go to his grave swearing we did the right thing in Iraq when everyone in existence can clearly see it was a huge strategical error.

Now the war on terror must be fought in Iraq because it's the biggest terrorist breeding ground that exists! Extremists can go there and get real life training fighting against our American forces. It has turned and entire region against us, and for what? We still don't have Bin Laden or Al Zwahiri...we never found any WMD's...countless Iraqi citizens (women, children, and elderly) have been killed senselessly along with thousands of American and coalition troops who believed they were doing the right thing.

It just pisses me off that he won't come clean and admit it was a mistake...but then again what difference would it make now, he's already done what he's done.

GS wanted · 09-12-06, 01:36 PM

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Bush will go to his grave swearing we did the right thing in Iraq when everyone in existence can clearly see it was a huge strategical error.

Not everybody. That would be too much like right.

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Now the war on terror must be fought in Iraq because it's the biggest terrorist breeding ground that exists!

... and let's not forget, "the toughest part of my job is to link Iraq to the war on terror."

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It just pisses me off that he won't come clean and admit it was a mistake...but then again what difference would it make now, he's already done what he's done.

Again, that would be too much like right. But, while it's easy to point out his obvious flaws let's hope (actually pray) that whoever is next in line has a better plan and can rectify this situation. Otherwise, all the Bush backlash will probably come back two-fold... or more.

MikeFD3S · 09-12-06, 01:45 PM

I'm going to have to give a thumbs down to the president's speech.

Naysayers can call it spin as much as they want, but bringing up Iraq is unecessary and completely unrelated to 9/11.

Bush's Freedom/Iraq mantra is so ubiquitous to all of his speeches that counting the references has become a common drinking game. Each time he mentions "They hate us for our freedom" or "war in Iraq", drink a beer. I guarantee by the time the speech is over, you'll be drunk enough to agree with him.

Iraq had no relation to 9/11, no WMDs, and Saddam Hussein's tyrant regime had absolutely no relationship with Al Qaida. Iraq war created Al Zawahri (now dead) and an extremely violent insurgency that at the moment, has no hope of dying. Iraq did not create 9/11.

The only thing tying 9/11 to the Iraq war is the American death toll.

I feel sorry for how history will regard Bush.

bitkahuna · 09-12-06, 01:46 PM

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But, while it's easy to point out his obvious flaws let's hope (actually pray) that whoever is next in line has a better plan and can rectify this situation.

Hope is not a strategy.

MikeFD3S · 09-12-06, 01:48 PM

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Hope is not a strategy.

..and strategy is not something we had in Iraq.

bitkahuna · 09-12-06, 01:52 PM

Everyone on here has already made up their mind.

GS wanted · 09-12-06, 01:56 PM

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Hope is not a strategy.

Agreed. But I'm not a strategist or running for office so the best I can do is listen to what the alternatives have to offer and make the best voting decision possible hoping they aren't blowing smoke. I could go there with "pray" but I won't.

bitkahuna · 09-12-06, 02:35 PM

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..and strategy is not something we had in Iraq.

Well the strategy seems to have been to get in and get out relatively quick, which obviously didn't work. Just because a strategy doesn't execute as defined doesn't mean there wasn't one.

SC400DAVE · 09-12-06, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeloc24

I'm tired of this hunkering, stuttering president thinking he can consistently put one over on the American public. We were all shocked and deeply hurt y the events on 9/11...we were fine with the war in Afghanistan...okay, cool...they had training grounds there for terriorists. Okay. Fine. But to try to consistently shove Iraq down our throats as if that has something to do with 9/11 is very disrespectful. Bush will go to his grave swearing we did the right thing in Iraq when everyone in existence can clearly see it was a huge strategical error.

Now the war on terror must be fought in Iraq because it's the biggest terrorist breeding ground that exists! Extremists can go there and get real life training fighting against our American forces. It has turned and entire region against us, and for what? We still don't have Bin Laden or Al Zwahiri...we never found any WMD's...countless Iraqi citizens (women, children, and elderly) have been killed senselessly along with thousands of American and coalition troops who believed they were doing the right thing.

It just pisses me off that he won't come clean and admit it was a mistake...but then again what difference would it make now, he's already done what he's done.

Clinton actually started the bombing:

Conflict between Iraq and the UN developed during 1998, however, which led to the withdrawal of the UN and the authorization of a bombing campaign by the Clinton administration to "degrade Saddam's capacity to develop and deliver weapons of mass destruction, and to degrade his ability to threaten his neighbors".

Furthermore, in November 1998, at the urging of President Bill Clinton, the U.S. House of Representatives and the US Senate passed the "Iraq Liberation Act of 1998," which "declared that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government." This bill was signed into law by President Clinton.

mmarshall · 09-12-06, 04:06 PM

Good points, SC400DAVE

. As usual, you are correct.

1SICKLEX · 09-12-06, 04:10 PM

Yeah, Clinton marched right into Congress and declared war without them in 2001...That is exactly what happened. (not disputing your facts but damn, Bush and his club declared war)

What has happened is over 2,000 US solidiers dead, thousands of Iraqis dead and they can't even get Sadaam to ENTER A PLEA in a court HE DOES NOT RECOGNIZE.

We look like FOOLS. The greatest nation in the world totally underestimated the insurgants. We literally thought we were gonna go in, get Saddam, set up our flag, set up a government and leave.

Our prez and his goons had NO IDEA or more thank likely REFUSED TO LISTEN