History: Public Auction (racial topic)

[oohpapi44]

No need for Comments/Replies, I'm just putting this out there for your own personal thoughts or reflections. I wanted to put the picture big enough so you could read it yourself but I'll scan the words and post them below the picture. 173 years isn't that long ago (3 generations) and to realize this is talking about human beings is still shocking.

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Public Sale of Negroes
By Richard Clagett.

On Tuesday, March 5th, 1833 t 1:00 P.M. the following Slaves will be sold at Potters Mart, in Charleston, S.C.

Miscellaneous Lots of Negroes, mostly house servants, some for field work.

Conditions: 1/2 cash, balance by bond, bearing interest from date of sale. Payable in one to two years to be secured by a mortgage of the Negroes, and appraised personal security. Auctioneer will pay for the papers.

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A valuable Negro woman, accustomed to all kinds of house work. Is a good plain cook, and excellent dairy maid, washes and irons. She has four children, on a girl about 13 years of age, another 7, a boy about 5, and an infant 11 months old. 2 of the children will be sold with mother, the others separately, if it best suits the purchaser.

A very valuable Blacksmith, wife and daughters; the Smith is in the prime of life, nd perfect master at his trade. His wife bout 27 years old, and his daughters 12 and 10 years old have been taught and accustomed to the duties of house servants. The 16 year old wench has one eye.

A likely yellow girl about 17 or 18 years old, has been accustomed to all kinds of house and garden work. She is sold for no fault. Sound as a dollar.

House servants: The owner of a family described herein, would sell them for aa good pricce only, they are offered for no fault whatever, but because they can be done without, and money is needed. He has been offered $1250. They consist of a man 30 to 33 years old, who has been raided in a genteel Virginia family as house servant. Carriage driver etc., in all which he excels. His wife a likely wench of 25 to 30 raised in like manner, as chamber maid, seamstress, nurse etc., their two children, girls of 12 and 4 or 5. They are bright mulattoes, of mild tractable dispositions, unassuming manners, and of genteel appearance and well worthy the notice of a gentlemen of fortune need such.

Also 14 Negro Wenches ranging from 16 to 25 yearfs of age, all sound and capable of doing a good days work in the house or field.

[PhilipMSPT]

We learn a lot from history.

But what I hope is that we prevent it from happening again. Sometimes, we see signs, and tend to ignore it. I see similar things "for sale" online: there are people out there willing to pay for the exploitation of women and children alike from malicious people out there.

Make sure that such exploitation does not occur in the present, as we cannot forgive ourselves for such exploitation in the past.

[oohpapi44]

Very true Philip, you see dignity and self respect sold daily on MTV and BET.

[DriftNsc3]

Originally Posted by oohpapi44

Very true Philip, you see dignity and self respect sold daily on MTV and BET.

Yeah, but thats people selling them selves, not being sold by others.

[O. L. T.]

What is so shocking? It is history, as has been taught since the days it began. There is more ownership of people in corporate america than there ever was in slavery.

One line from history that I find interesting.....

"Slavery has been abolished aside of the convicted felon"

[WhiteTiger]

Sadly, in a number of foreign countries around the world there is still a significant amount of slavery. (Far East, Africa, etc.) Hundreds of people are sold into slavery every day.

[morris]

Originally Posted by O. L. T.

What is so shocking? It is history, as has been taught since the days it began. There is more ownership of people in corporate america than there ever was in slavery.

One line from history that I find interesting.....

"Slavery has been abolished aside of the convicted felon"

I have to disagree with part of what you said here. To equate slavery with a corporate setting is a disservice.

I cannot imagine the horror of living as a slave but I am pretty sure that the worst job in America is worlds better than being someones slave and watching your wife and daughters being bought sold and raped while you are forced to watch

[Max707]

Originally Posted by oohpapi44

No need for Comments/Replies, I'm just putting this out there for your own personal thoughts or reflections. I wanted to put the picture big enough so you could read it yourself but I'll scan the words and post them below the picture. 173 years isn't that long ago (3 generations) and to realize this is talking about human beings is still shocking.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL133.../182918205.jpg

Public Sale of Negroes
By Richard Clagett.

On Tuesday, March 5th, 1833 t 1:00 P.M. the following Slaves will be sold at Potters Mart, in Charleston, S.C.

Miscellaneous Lots of Negroes, mostly house servants, some for field work.

Conditions: 1/2 cash, balance by bond, bearing interest from date of sale. Payable in one to two years to be secured by a mortgage of the Negroes, and appraised personal security. Auctioneer will pay for the papers.

____________________________________________
A valuable Negro woman, accustomed to all kinds of house work. Is a good plain cook, and excellent dairy maid, washes and irons. She has four children, on a girl about 13 years of age, another 7, a boy about 5, and an infant 11 months old. 2 of the children will be sold with mother, the others separately, if it best suits the purchaser.

A very valuable Blacksmith, wife and daughters; the Smith is in the prime of life, nd perfect master at his trade. His wife bout 27 years old, and his daughters 12 and 10 years old have been taught and accustomed to the duties of house servants. The 16 year old wench has one eye.

A likely yellow girl about 17 or 18 years old, has been accustomed to all kinds of house and garden work. She is sold for no fault. Sound as a dollar.

House servants: The owner of a family described herein, would sell them for aa good pricce only, they are offered for no fault whatever, but because they can be done without, and money is needed. He has been offered $1250. They consist of a man 30 to 33 years old, who has been raided in a genteel Virginia family as house servant. Carriage driver etc., in all which he excels. His wife a likely wench of 25 to 30 raised in like manner, as chamber maid, seamstress, nurse etc., their two children, girls of 12 and 4 or 5. They are bright mulattoes, of mild tractable dispositions, unassuming manners, and of genteel appearance and well worthy the notice of a gentlemen of fortune need such.

Also 14 Negro Wenches ranging from 16 to 25 yearfs of age, all sound and capable of doing a good days work in the house or field.

This makes me sick to my stomach. Today the crap happening in Darfur is even more sickening, I would reather see our troops in Darfur saving innocent people from being butchered then in Iraq. Even today people of color are not valued, we as a people need to realize that we are all human beings and are of equal value in this world. I hope that happens during my life time.

[mmarshall]

Originally Posted by morris

I cannot imagine the horror of living as a slave but I am pretty sure that the worst job in America is worlds better than being someones slave and watching your wife and daughters being bought sold and raped while you are forced to watch

In the old South, like with corporate jobs today, conditions for slaves varied enormously. Some masters were relatively benevolent...others were quite cruel. No matter how you look at it, though, working outside in fields all day long in the 100 degree heat and humidity of a Southern summer was certainly no piece of cake. As far as rape goes, there were strict laws in the South about white-nonwhite sex. Sometimes these were enforced and sometimes the authorities just looked the other way.
( I'm certainly not defending slavery, though.......like most people, I feel it was a shameful institution that should have been dealt with long before the Civil War ). The main ( but not only ) reason it lasted as long as it did was because of the profitability of the cotton gin....before this machine was invented, most of the Southern states were on the verge of abolishing slavery.

Something unknown by a lot of people who don't study history closely......slavery was not just a white-black issue either. Some Native American Indian tribes also owned slaves...both black and from other Indian tribes as well. Chinese and Korean railroad workers also worked under conditions that were, for all intents and purposes, virtual slavery.

[morris]

Originally Posted by mmarshall

In the old South, like with corporate jobs today, conditions for slaves varied enormously. Some masters were relatively benevolent...others were quite cruel. No matter how you look at it, though, working outside in fields all day long in the 100 degree heat and humidity of a Southern summer was certainly no piece of cake. As far as rape goes, there were strict laws in the South about white-nonwhite sex. Sometimes these were enforced and sometimes the authorities just looked the other way.
( I'm certainly not defending slavery, though.......like most people, I feel it was a shameful institution that should have been dealt with long before the Civil War ). The main ( but not only ) reason it lasted as long as it did was because of the profitability of the cotton gin....before this machine was invented, most of the Southern states were on the verge of abolishing slavery.

Something unknown by a lot of people who don't study history closely......slavery was not just a white-black issue either. Some Native American Indian tribes also owned slaves...both black and from other Indian tribes as well. Chinese and Korean railroad workers also worked under conditions that were, for all intents and purposes, virtual slavery.

I understand what you are saying and that you are trying to provide a picture of the differing experiences of slaves, in America. But with that said, from where I sit it doesnt matter if you were beaten every day or if you slept on clean white sheets and enjoyed afternoon tea with the Master. The bottom line is that a slave was owned and did not have any autonomy or the power of self determination. That in it self is enough to render the comparison to life in corporate America as rediculous imho

[mmarshall]

Originally Posted by morris

I understand what you are saying and that you are trying to provide a picture of the differing experiences of slaves, in America. But with that said, from where I sit it doesnt matter if you were beaten every day or if you slept on clean white sheets and enjoyed afternoon tea with the Master. The bottom line is that a slave was owned and did not have any autonomy or the power of self determination. That in it self is enough to render the comparison to life in corporate America as rediculous imho

No arguments there. And worse was that families were sometimes split up against their will.

[morris]

Sorry this didnt read well, I realize that you are just giving information and I didnt want to come across as if I were debating the issue with u.

Thanks.

[O. L. T.]

Evidently you have not seen what some people live like. Their entire lively hood tied to their jobs, completely enslaved to their work. Not having a life is not having a life.......

[NAZTY97]

Evidently you have not seen what some people live like. Their entire lively hood tied to their jobs, completely enslaved to their work. Not having a life is not having a life.......

that's bullshytt.... a free employee can leave a dead end job to pursue a better job, or do like myself and create their own business, to which by your definition, everyone is a slave, because you are endebted by default to live. You must work to eat,... PERIOD.

To be owned is hardly a comparison to CHOOSING TO STAY or LEAVE a job.

I think even with a high degree of intellegence, sometimes we as people can be very overly general, which is only a hair away from just plain dumb.

[mmarshall]

There's truth on both sides here. The kind of slavery in the Old South was legal, institutionalized slavery from which there was little hope of escape short of the Underground Railroad system run by the Northern Abolitionists....and even then you had Fugitive Slave laws that sometimes forced the return of runaway slaves..

However, after the war, in the North, a system of tremendously powerful industries like coal, iron/steel, railroads, etc......developed that were almost as slave-like as the Southern plantation system. Insanely wealthy and powerful " barons " as they were called, owned these industries and had a virtual stranglehold on many of the poor workers who toiled day and night in dangerous and deplorable conditions.......often being killed in the very plants they worked in....simply because even though they could LEGALLY quit, in reality they were slaves because there was no place else to go. The companies owned their jobs, their homes, the stores they bought food and supples in...literally almost everything. In addition, cities like Pittsburgh were so filthy that you literally couldn't breathe the air. Those conditions gave rise to the first labor unions....well-justified at the time.