Hezbollah attacks UN Peacekeeprs; Where is the outrage?

[BlkGS3]

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L06845878.htm

What a great article to bring out the hierocracy around here...

Why is no one saying anything about the UN workers now? I mean they did get attacked just like Israel deliberately attacked the UN building before

You Hezbollah supporters sure do know how to ignore info that puts you on the spot...

[CVsIS250]

Originally Posted by BlkGS3

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L06845878.htm

What a great article to bring out the hierocracy around here...

Why is no one saying anything about the UN workers now? I mean they did get attacked just like Israel deliberately attacked the UN building before

You Hezbollah supporters sure do know how to ignore info that puts you on the spot...

First off, I don't know how anyone can support Hezbollah!

I was watching Fox news this afternoon whilest on the eliptical and saw the ambassador to Israel saying the same thing. Where is the outrage when innocent Israelies get killed.

CV

[GRAND_LS 4]

Hizbollah fire wounds 3 UN

The reason why everyone isn’t going all crazy is because there is a difference between KILLING 4 U.N. peacekeepers, and wounding 3.
Also, Israeli foces were told 10 times not to fire, and kept giving confirmation that they wont... but they still did.

HINT: No loss of life. however if it was on purpose on behalf of hizbollah, then it was a stupid move.

Btw, I’m not supporting Hizonothing. But I’m totally against the disproportionate Israeli aggression.

[BlkGS3]

Originally Posted by GRAND_LS 4

The reason why everyone isn’t going all crazy is because there is a difference between KILLING 4 U.N. peacekeepers, and wounding 3.
Also, Israeli foces were told 10 times not to fire, and kept giving confirmation that they wont... but they still did.

HINT: No loss of life. however if it was on purpose on behalf of hizbollah, then it was a stupid move.

Btw, I’m not supporting Hizonothing. But I’m totally against the disproportionate Israeli aggression.

So the Peacekeepers got lucky and survived.

Israel was told 10 times to stop, and Hezbollah knew exactly where the building stood.

No loss of life this time...

[mmarshall]

Originally Posted by GRAND_LS 4

The reason why everyone isn’t going all crazy is because there is a difference between KILLING 4 U.N. peacekeepers, and wounding 3.
Also, Israeli foces were told 10 times not to fire, and kept giving confirmation that they wont... but they still did.

HINT: No loss of life. however if it was on purpose on behalf of hizbollah, then it was a stupid move.

Btw, I’m not supporting Hizonothing. But I’m totally against the disproportionate Israeli aggression.

Perhaps it is time for the UN " Peacekeepers " to pack up and get out of there. IMO they should not even be there to start with......they represent one of the most worthless organizations on the planet. First of all their presence is NOT going to stop the fighting....you can see they themselves have already been fired on by both sides. Second, there will be more and better chances of a LASTING peace if the Israelis are allowed to get rid of Hezbollah once and for all, which will not be an easy feat, as bitkahuna has pointed out....Hezbollah deliberately hides their operations inside of civilian settlements. The more UN jackasses you have running around in this area, the harder it will be for the Israelis to put an end to this conflict once and for all. Like it or not, until Hamas and Hezbollah are gone, there will NEVER be a lasting peace in this area. That is why THIS time it cannot be buisness as usual...Condi Rice is correct....no more fake cease-fires, only to erupt again a few months. WIN the conflict this time and get a lasting peace. If Hezbollah is not wiped out this time, in the future the Iranians will only supply them with more, more powerful, and longer-range rockets that will do even more damage to Israeli cities....and don't forget the Iranians are desperately trying to get nukes.

[CVsIS250]

or check out this site!

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...286966,00.html

CV

[mmarshall]

Originally Posted by CVsGX470

I am not sure if you know this, but "innocent," people are getting killed in Lebanon because these familys are storing weapons for the fighters. Did you know that when a house gets blown up in Lebanon it is usually because that is where the missle came from. Typical puzzy azzed terrorists hiding behind human shields. IT IS ALL A PROPOGANDA MACHINE...check out this site:

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/200...ctors-cut.html

CV

Repost. This article is already the title of another new thread in the DEBATE section.
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/the-debate-forum/231867-the-real-hezbollah.html

[oohpapi44]

It's funny how some of you guys want to try to justify two situations that have absolutely nothing in common with each other to justify a 10:1 killing ratio.

You are more than intelligent enough to know the difference between the stiuations but I will point out a couple. And no I'm not in support of Hezbollah but I do find it funny that Israel is getting their arse handed to them militarily. Like I said above, it's around a 10:1 killing ratio overall in number of dead but in terms of solders, from the reports, there are more Israeli soldiers dying than Hezbollah. Isn't it somewhere around 97 Israeli's dead and over 50 of them are soldiers? I'm not celebrating any loss of life but it seems that to label Hezbollah as the terrorist organization isn't a fair argument, but I guess it depends on who's telling the story. I'm sure there are Lebanese Americans who say differently.

1) Israels munitions are LASER GUIDED, targets are 'painted' for the most part either by helicopter, drone planes or soldiers on the ground.

2) The Hezobollah rocket fell short of its intended target (Israel) and ACCIDENTLY hit the UN workers

3) It was ONE wayward missile, not a barrage like the Israeli attack.

And personally, I didn't see ANY one of you in here condemning the Israeli attack when it happened, nor do I remember reading any comments condemning the attack on Qata. And for the record, I don't think there is anyone among who's walking around wearing a Hezbollah recruiting button but it just happens that there are some people who are not fearful to criticize Israel when it's wrong. I for one support Israel in some of their causes but I do not support the United States blind loyalty to a nation that gives us nothing of equal value in return. This 'fight' / massacre started when Hezbollah kidnapped SOLDIERS, not a terrorist attack, it was military vs militia and for that you have 700 dead civilians? The soldiers were not murdered, haven't been reported to be harmed as yet and from everything I've read this is something that has been going on between Lebanon (Hezbollah) and Israel for some time in terms of prisoner exchanges. If you're only access to this conflict is through television or newspaper at least have some decency as human being to rationalize that there are TWO sides to this conflict. Israel has been painted as 'the chosen people' because they happen to be Jewish but some of the worse transgressions against humanity have been done in the name of religion and we are likely bearing witness.

So again I ask, where is the outrage for 700 dead Lebanese civilians because when I watch the news reports regarding the 250,000 Lebanese refugees, the only people I see doing anything for them now, is Hezbollah.

[mmarshall]

Originally Posted by oohpapi44

This 'fight' / massacre started when Hezbollah kidnapped SOLDIERS, not a terrorist attack, .

True, but by your very statement you are admitting that Hezbollah started it. Nobody ASKED them to kidnap Israeli soldiers. Your view of this situation seems to be....everybody just apologize, shake hands, stop firing, and all smoke the peace pipe like the American Indians used to.

No.....absolutely not. Not THIS time. That scenario has been proven by history, time and time again to be a fiasco and just NOT work. All it does is set the stage for another conflict a few more months down the road. Condi Rice is absolutely correct on this...100%. The moment Hezbollah gets a break, Iran will start shipping them even larger, more powerful rockets to hit Tel Aviv and Jerusalem with instead of just along the border....and we all know that Iran is desperately working on nukes.

Fortunately, Israel now recognizes its past mistakes in not wiping Hezbollah out, even if the UN and some others don't. And unlike the past, Hezbollah is in deep, DEEP s * * t this time........they are going to find that they really grabbed a tiger by the tail when they decided to mess with the Israelis this time. Israel is going to do the job this time, but unfortunately, because of Hezbollah's tendency to hide behind civilians, some of those civilians are going to get hurt or killed. I honestly feel sorry for them........they probably didn't ask the Hezbollah scumbags to operate out of their settlements...but that may be the price to a final and lasting peace in the area, just like German and Japanese civilians died in the efforts to defeat those two corrupt regimes

If you guys want to accuse me of an unreasonable pro-Israeli bias.....fine, this is a debate thread and that is your prerogative...but I honestly and objectively don't see any other way to ever have a lasting peace in that region. Israel is going to have to defeat the terrorists once and for all....we've see too much of what happens when they don't.

[oohpapi44]

Tyre hit, cut off & hunkering down


CORRESPONDENT TAMER EL-GHOBASHY
PHOTOGRAPHER MICHAEL APPLETON

TYRE, Lebanon - Despite the war, this city has remained active and vibrant - until today.
Israeli commandos battled Hezbollah fighters yesterday for a hilltop overlooking the city. It was a battle people could hear and sometimes feel as Israeli artillery pounded the hills, shaking buildings in Tyre.

Jets swooped down, and in two quick bombing runs flattened four apartment buildings.

Even with the bridges bombed, people could slip north through a banana grove, but the Israelis smashed a causeway along the river yesterday and flooded the grove, trapping everyone in the city.

The Israelis then warned everyone south of the Litani River, including Tyre, to stay indoors or risk being killed by a jet fighter, helicopter or drone.

This noisy, busy city is now quiet and despondent as the menace of war has shut it down.

The first hammer blows yesterday came about 4 p.m. when four apartment buildings were reduced to rubble.

Lebanese civil defense workers said an initial investigation revealed that five people had died, but were unsure how many had been buried under the debris.

One of the leveled structures was the site of an Israeli raid Saturday.

"Most of the people had left after the raid," said a man who identified himself only as Owen.

The first wave of bombing destroyed two buildings. Lebanese rescuers rushed to the scene, narrowly escaping death when a second wave of blasts finished off two other towers about 10 minutes later.

"We didn't have a moment to check for survivors," said Khidr Delbani, a civil defense worker.

"We couldn't see if there were injuries, all we saw was five bodies in the street in front of the first collapsed building," said Shadi Jradi, Delbani's partner.

Surrounding buildings were heavily damaged. In one tower, still barely standing, fire raged in several apartments.

Elegant oriental living room sets were wedged in the piles of concrete slabs, and ornate curtains flapped in the breeze.

Shoes, stuffed animals and books were covered in dust in the airy courtyards. One sign pointed toward a day care center called "Children's House."

"This is a real crime. There are children who live here," said Ahmed Dabouk.

Dabouk, 68, said there were no fighters who operated out of the area.

In one of the undamaged buildings, a cache of four AK-47 rifles, a few camouflaged helmets and ammunition belts were spotted in the lobby. A local resident said the stash was left behind by Lebanese soldiers who fled.

"I'm searching for a shelter to hide, but no place is safe," said a 20-year-old engineering student who refused to give his name. He had sent his family to Beirut after the raid and stuck around with his brother.

So lets examine just this article.....

Israel battled fighters for an overlook position, we don't know who one
Israel knows there are civilians still living there
Israel bombs the bridges but civilians still have a means to escape
Israel bombs the means to escape
Israel imposes constant martial law, no movement of any kind is allowed
Israel then blows up apartment buildings Including a building it cleared three days prior

For the mind staggering arms cache of FOUR AK-47's.

[oohpapi44]

True, but by your very statement you are admitting that Hezbollah started it. Nobody ASKED them to kidnap Israeli soldiers. Your view of this situation seems to be....everybody just apologize, shake hands, stop firing, and all smoke the peace pipe like the American Indians used to.

No.....absolutely not. Not THIS time. That scenario has been proven by history, time and time again to be a fiasco and just NOT work. All it does is set the stage for another conflict a few more months down the road. Condi Rice is absolutely correct on this...100%. The moment Hezbollah gets a break, Iran will start shipping them even larger, more powerful rockets to hit Tel Aviv and Jerusalem with instead of just along the border....and we all know that Iran is desperately working on nukes.

Fortunately, Israel now recognizes its past mistakes in not wiping Hezbollah out, even if the UN and some others don't. And unlike the past, Hezbollah is in deep, DEEP s * * t this time........they are going to find that they really grabbed a tiger by the tail when they decided to mess with the Israelis this time. Israel is going to do the job this time, but unfortunately, because of Hezbollah's tendency to hide behind civilians, some of those civilians are going to get hurt or killed. I honestly feel sorry for thsm....but there is no ther way to have any long-term peace in the region.

If you guys want to accuse me of an unreasonable pro-Israeli bias.....fine, this is a debate thread and that is your prerogative...but I honestly and objectively don't see any other way to ever have a lasting peace in that region. Israel is going to have to defeat the terrorists once and for all....we've see too much of what happens when they don't.

So let me see if I understand your position:

700 Lebanese deserved to die (your 'some civilians are going to get hurt) [And by the way, hurt and dead are two different medical status']
Israel is not committing crimes against humanity
Israel does not have to recognize the borders that limit part of the West Bank which is the real part of the cause of the hostilities

I just want to be clear on your position. And FYI, I don't think Israel is winning, I'm not sure what type of military experience you have but Hezbollah has killed 97 people and over 50 of them are soldiers, and Hezbollah is averaging now 200 missile strikes a day, that's not a win. Israel is destroying a country that you and I will have to pay to rebuild. And if Israel donates to the clean up, then we'll be paying twice considering the amount the US sends to Israel annually. From what I read, this is another stupid mistake just like the US invasion of Iraq and is just creating a recruiting binge for Hezbollah by elevating their status within the Arab world. Israel is destroying everything in its path except the militia and the propaganda machine is trying to spin it into a 'win' Hezbollah giving up because it knows it can't win, is victory for the Israeli's. Unfortunately you are fighting an army who has; already one once, been preparing for this day for years, fighting on their home soil, and willing to die for a cause. You don't 'win' those types of battles because Israel is not ready to sacrifice its soldiers. Their strategy is "Blow everything up and shoot anything remaining', that's not a win.

[mmarshall]

Originally Posted by oohpapi44

So let me see if I understand your position:

700 Lebanese deserved to die (your 'some civilians are going to get hurt) [And by the way, hurt and dead are two different medical status']
Israel is not committing crimes against humanity
Israel does not have to recognize the borders that limit part of the West Bank which is the real part of the cause of the hostilities

.

Wrong on both counts.

First of all, I did not say that civilians HAD to die......you can thank Hezbollah's infiltration policies for the fact that they ARE dying. Hezbollah, if anyone, is guilty of anti-humanity crimes by hiding their rockets among the houses of innocent people, knowing that those houses may be hit if Israel strikes back. The Israelis have a responsibility to their own people.....to defend them from those rockets. Yes....by all means, do it with a few Lebanese casualties as possible, but their first responsibility is to protect their own citizens. If Ohlmert does not do this the Israelis will fine someone who will.

Second, the real cause of the hostilties is not the borders of the West Bank but the continued refusal of Palestinians and some Arabs to recognize Israel's right to exist. These Arabs and Palestinians have NEVER recognized Israel's right to exist no matter WHERE the borders have been...pre-1967 or today. Israel, however, WILL continue to exist, recognition or not.

Look at the Egyptians. They were SERIOUS about making peace with Israel ..........and the two countries have not fired a single shot against each other for almost 30 years now.

[BlkGS3]

Originally Posted by oohpapi44

So let me see if I understand your position:

700 Lebanese deserved to die (your 'some civilians are going to get hurt) [And by the way, hurt and dead are two different medical status']
Israel is not committing crimes against humanity
Israel does not have to recognize the borders that limit part of the West Bank which is the real part of the cause of the hostilities

I just want to be clear on your position. And FYI, I don't think Israel is winning, I'm not sure what type of military experience you have but Hezbollah has killed 97 people and over 50 of them are soldiers, and Hezbollah is averaging now 200 missile strikes a day, that's not a win. Israel is destroying a country that you and I will have to pay to rebuild. And if Israel donates to the clean up, then we'll be paying twice considering the amount the US sends to Israel annually. From what I read, this is another stupid mistake just like the US invasion of Iraq and is just creating a recruiting binge for Hezbollah by elevating their status within the Arab world. Israel is destroying everything in its path except the militia and the propaganda machine is trying to spin it into a 'win' Hezbollah giving up because it knows it can't win, is victory for the Israeli's. Unfortunately you are fighting an army who has; already one once, been preparing for this day for years, fighting on their home soil, and willing to die for a cause. You don't 'win' those types of battles because Israel is not ready to sacrifice its soldiers. Their strategy is "Blow everything up and shoot anything remaining', that's not a win.

700 Lebanese deserved to die (your 'some civilians are going to get hurt) [And by the way, hurt and dead are two different medical status]

700 Civilians die because Hezbollah is hiding in their neighborhoods. Israel told those people to get up and leave, but they remain defiant and now pay with their lives. The only reason those Chinese peacekeepers survived the Hezbollah attacks is luck. They might as well be dead because that’s what Hezbollah was intending to do when they fired the rockets at them.

Israel is not committing crimes against humanity

Kidnapping soldiers and firing rockets at towns and villages by Hezbollah and suicide bombings by Hammas is not crimes against Humanity?

Israel does not have to recognize the borders that limit part of the West Bank which is the real part of the cause of the hostilities

Israel was recognizing all boarders including that of Palestine and Lebanon until all the kidnappings began. Stop ignoring the fact that this is what sparked the latest conflict.

'm not sure what type of military experience you have but Hezbollah has killed 97 people and over 50 of them are soldiers, and Hezbollah is averaging now 200 missile strikes a day, that's not a win.

Hezbollah killed 50 soldiers only after the IDF went inside Israel to eliminate Hezbollah. There are going to be casualties, and as of right now the ratio between Israel's soldiers killed and Hezbollah's looks to be in favor of Israel. You don’t know about Hezbollah's casualty rate because they will never tell you the truth (im not saying that Israel will, but at least Israel is talking about realistic numbers). All they have to do after a Hezbollah fighter is killed, is to take away his AK and now he looks like an "innocent" civilian....
Also, Hezbollah is averaging 200 rockets per day because they shot a lot more at the beginning of the conflict than they do now. Its an AVERAGE.

heir strategy is "Blow everything up and shoot anything remaining', that's not a win

Isn't that what the US did in Afghanistan and Iraq? Isn’t that what Russia did/doing in Chechnya? Isn’t it what any normal nation would do when facing a terrorist org.?

[AJ]

Originally Posted by BlkGS3

700 Civilians die because Hezbollah is hiding in their neighborhoods. Israel told those people to get up and leave, but they remain defiant and now pay with their lives. The only reason those Chinese peacekeepers survived the Hezbollah attacks is luck. They might as well be dead because that’s what Hezbollah was intending to do when they fired the rockets at them.

Would you leave your own home if some country said so ? i know i wouldn't .

Isn't that what the US did in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Iraq wasn't about terrorists and just because there ARE terrorists among other people doesnt give you the green light to kill everyone just to be sure .

[mmarshall]

Good points, BlkGS3.

I fully agree that the Chinese peacekeepers are still alive only by luck., but I highly question their need to even be there to start with. They represent an organization that is just about worthless and does little else but suck up money and take up space.