This Forum is Sponsored By:

Go Back   Club Lexus Forums > Lexus Model Forums > IS Models > IS - Second Generation > Performance

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-02-06, 11:16 AM   #1
S54toIS350
Lexus Champion
 
S54toIS350's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: California
Posts: 1,613
Default Exhaust Idea, what do you guys think?

In a few days I am going to drop by my friend who runs an exhaust shop.

We are going to chop the exhaust from the cats on back. Yes, there is no flange so we don't have a choice. I could change it out with high flow cats but I don't want problems with emissions on this car, especially when concerned that it might set off some error code.

We are probably going to go true duals all the way back to a set of Borla Mufflers with 2 1/2 " pipeing connected with an H- Pipe.

My question is how much horsepower can I expect from this modification? Any dyno graphs?
S54toIS350 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-06, 11:43 AM   #2
onihc
I heart Honda
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 560
Default

looks good on paper. LMS gained 20 horse power without cats, but with silencers on each pipe. my estimate would be 10-15 horse power.
onihc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-06, 11:56 AM   #3
Hameed
CF fanatic
 
Hameed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Lake Ontario
Posts: 6,874
Send a message via MSN to Hameed Send a message via Yahoo to Hameed
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by S54toIS350
In a few days I am going to drop by my friend who runs an exhaust shop.

We are going to chop the exhaust from the cats on back. Yes, there is no flange so we don't have a choice. I could change it out with high flow cats but I don't want problems with emissions on this car, especially when concerned that it might set off some error code.

We are probably going to go true duals all the way back to a set of Borla Mufflers with 2 1/2 " pipeing connected with an H- Pipe.

My question is how much horsepower can I expect from this modification? Any dyno graphs?
If you are not going the FI route (which is doubtful since the IS is still so new), 2 1/2 " pipes might be a tad too big and you may end up losing power due to lack of sufficient backpressure.

Why the choice of H-pipe instead of an X-pipe?

Here is a very interesting article regarding the merits of an X-pipe: http://www.vetteweb.com/tech/0307vet_xpipe/index.html

I just did a custom setup on my car - you may find this interesting based on the questions you are asking - http://www.clublexus.com/forums/show...6&page=1&pp=15
__________________

Badass Silver 1999 Lexus GS400 - My Modding Journal
Mods summary http://lgwnorcal.net/rides/gs/hameed.html
Custom Exhaust Video - Vroom Vroom!
Words to live by - "Patience, coupled with investments in great companies, will pay off handsomely....."
Hameed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-06, 12:25 PM   #4
Shinobi-X
Lead Lap
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: MD
Posts: 444
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by S54toIS350
In a few days I am going to drop by my friend who runs an exhaust shop.

We are going to chop the exhaust from the cats on back. Yes, there is no flange so we don't have a choice. I could change it out with high flow cats but I don't want problems with emissions on this car, especially when concerned that it might set off some error code.

We are probably going to go true duals all the way back to a set of Borla Mufflers with 2 1/2 " pipeing connected with an H- Pipe.

My question is how much horsepower can I expect from this modification? Any dyno graphs?
Unless you're running two cats, the exhaust won't be true dual. Along with this, you won't see much more of a performance gain. Keep in mind though, you'll need some back pressure so you don't want to open things up too much. The weight added by running a true dual and the cost, would negate most benefits, unless you have supporting mods. Depending on what you finally go with, I'd say you'd gain about 15hp +/-. Good luck though.
__________________
93' Black on tan RX-7 ~353rwhp, 2,647lbs.

06' GFM on black IS 350, Park Assist, Pre-collision/Active cruise, Luxury pkg, Nav/ML, 18s. 30% tint, stock lip spoiler, LED city lights, and a JoeZ tube.
Shinobi-X is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-06, 12:41 PM   #5
S54toIS350
Lexus Champion
 
S54toIS350's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: California
Posts: 1,613
Default

Ya, I just thought about the 2 1/2" might being too big. I might go 2 1/4" instead.

My friend said H pipe is better, sounds better and performs better; hes been doing it for over 40 years so I didn't question him.

Are the horsepower increase you guys are stating wheel horsepower or brake horsepower?
S54toIS350 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-06, 12:45 PM   #6
Hameed
CF fanatic
 
Hameed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Lake Ontario
Posts: 6,874
Send a message via MSN to Hameed Send a message via Yahoo to Hameed
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by S54toIS350
My friend said H pipe is better, sounds better and performs better; hes been doing it for over 40 years so I didn't question him.
Listen to mine and read that article I posted a link to and you will have doubts about the H-pipe

Quote:
Are the horsepower increase you guys are stating wheel horsepower or brake horsepower?
I will dyno my car sometime this summer and will let you know how much I gained.
__________________

Badass Silver 1999 Lexus GS400 - My Modding Journal
Mods summary http://lgwnorcal.net/rides/gs/hameed.html
Custom Exhaust Video - Vroom Vroom!
Words to live by - "Patience, coupled with investments in great companies, will pay off handsomely....."
Hameed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-06, 12:48 PM   #7
tqlla3k
Lexus Test Driver
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: VA
Posts: 1,352
Default

I think the IS has 2 cats already, which connect together with a Y, then leads to a large resonator.

His plan is to remove the Y and the resonator, then send pipes from each cat to a muffler.

You could also do this with the stock mufflers.
__________________
To be the man, you gotta beat the man.
2007 Lexus IS350 - Starfire Pearl
1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT - Zurich White Pearl
tqlla3k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-06, 12:50 PM   #8
S54toIS350
Lexus Champion
 
S54toIS350's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: California
Posts: 1,613
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tqlla3k
I think the IS has 2 cats already, which connect together with a Y, then leads to a large resonator.

His plan is to remove the Y and the resonator, then send pipes from each cat to a muffler.

You could also do this with the stock mufflers.
Yes, but how restrictive is the stock mufflers?

It is very counter productive to increase airflow to decrease it towards end.
S54toIS350 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-06, 01:01 PM   #9
Frisco
Driver
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Tx
Posts: 101
Default

When I went to larger pipe and free flowing mufflers on my car(not and IS yet) I lost some low end torque. But with a supercharger I could get it back with a smaller pulley. Also, V6's don't sound that great when they are loud IMO.
Frisco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-06, 01:56 PM   #10
ihkskim
Lexus Test Driver
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Fullerton, CA
Posts: 836
Send a message via AIM to ihkskim
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tqlla3k
I think the IS has 2 cats already, which connect together with a Y, then leads to a large resonator.

His plan is to remove the Y and the resonator, then send pipes from each cat to a muffler.

You could also do this with the stock mufflers.
4 cats not 2
ihkskim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-06, 03:50 PM   #11
Ramon
Lexus Champion
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,110
Send a message via AIM to Ramon Send a message via MSN to Ramon Send a message via Yahoo to Ramon
Default

Unless you're going to remove the cats, I don't see you losing enough back pressure to rob you of any power. While you do need some back pressure to maintain torque, the cats, especially if there are 4 of them should provide enough back pressure to keep your torque from dropping, even if you did go with 2.5" pipes. Other than changing the exhaust note a bit, the performance difference between 2.25 and 2.5" will be small. By the time the exhasut reaches the back of the car, it has cooled down enough not to need larger diamater pipes. There are of course exceptions, like if you've got significant mods and moving large amounts of air, then of course you'd wan't the larger diamater.
Ramon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-06, 04:52 PM   #12
S54toIS350
Lexus Champion
 
S54toIS350's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: California
Posts: 1,613
Default

Anyone know if I swapped out the 4 cats with high flow cats, if it will set off any codes?
S54toIS350 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:35 AM.

Go

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
Copyright © 2000-2008 Internet Brands, Inc. All Rights Reserved
Privacy Policy | Disclaimer | Terms of Use | JOBS