No matter what he says, the tragedy here is............ he is on national television.

[O. L. T.]

http://media.putfile.com/sfinalsolutionforWhitesCSPAN

"White people are trying to kill me".

"white people want to kill you" (4:03)

"the only n i g g e r on the planet is the white man and white woman"

"we need to exterminate white people off this planet" (8:08)

Really guy's..... the only true tragedy is that someone gave this guy airtime.

[drink300]

Just as bad as the KKK, but on the other side...sad tragedy. Why can't people get over skin color? I just don't get it. White, black, brown...it's all skin. I could see this in the 40s and 50s, but not today. It's just rediculous.

drink300

[jet864]

Who is this clown? For the first 3 minutes or so he seemed OK, a little free spirited, but hey that's fine.

I'm embarassed on so many levels. First, as someone who leans to the left, I think we need a 4th dimension to put these crackpots. Also, as someone who is half black (notice, I say half, my mother's white) I'm scared that there are people out there preaching such ignorant ******. Yes, there are disparities in education, healthcare, life expectancy, and distribution of power, but calling for the extermination of all people who are white? Go to Hell. How does he expect to solve the problems faced by "his" people when he's preaching violence? Where are the educated black people whom I've met that don't gain favor in the public by spouting this kind of junk? Equality is the answer, not violent separation, and it's NOT the white people's fault...or the black people's fault. It's the fault of those people so tied down to their immobile cement blocks they call beliefs that's hurting people like almost everyone who will be reading this. In his little corner of the world it might do him and his blind followers some good but for the rest of us all that's going to do is put more doubt in our heads about the motives of racial groups.

Please remember, I hope you're all smart enough to recognize that he is not "all black people". He's some screw-off who got some degree at Clown University and thinks it's his position to spread the message of his final solution. You're not Malcolm X buddy, it's not 1955, and anyone who applauds this dumbass should be ashamed of themselves as well.

James

[NAZTY97]

Ok... just watched this video,... and have a few thoughts.....

First, the dude is a fool, because he took SOME legitmate points and went waaaaaaaaaay off tha map with it,... and that is along the lines of "THE HATE THAT HATE MADE". He is no better than the problem he has identified, and actually a perpetuator of it. I don't think white people are gonna stand for being exterminated.... so,.... i guess that's a never ending cycle on that note.

Second,....he sounds like a cult leader,... blending some truth with a bunch of lies to get people to buy in. Yes, there is economic slavery, cultural dillution / eradication in some degrees, and some of the other points he pointed out.... HOWEVER,... it's not only affecting blacks,... it may affect blacks more disproportionately,... but it really is rooted in preservation of power, and money,... to which a handful of whites held. So having said that,... those, who are white and in that class, will apply the same measures to poor whites to keep their place on the hierarchy. To the rich white person, the latter would just be trailor park white trash,... just as the black would be n***ers,.... but in the end, all viewed the same,.... worthless, uneducated ( or half educated ), people who are beneath them in their elitist mindsets. The problem now, is the people whom they looked down on are starting to accumulate wealth and power, and hence the struggles in politics,..... Black Caucus,... etc.

Thirdly,... what fool would build a log house and put his wife out there for 16 months?? Sounds like a cheap bastard to me more than anything.

I think he is the counterbalance of the white extremist,.... everything in this world has an equal and opposite parallel. It's pathetic,...but then again it's not new, or any different than it's predecessor.

I really think racism is only the outward manifestation of seperation of class ( $$$$$$ ),... the skin color is the identifier and wears all of the additional connotations accumulated over the years.......( hundreds of years of passed down biggotry, ignorance, and unfounded hate )

[ebruce2]

yea, it definitely bothers me when people here a crackpot like this speaking and assume that all or even most blacks feel the way he does.

Not as a direct comparison, but how about when Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan get media attention? I don't care for most of what any of these characters have to say either. One person is NOT representative of the sentiments of an entire race.

[NAZTY97]

I would kick Jesse Jackson's azz just for him being him,... I absolutely despise that dude,... he should wear a shirt that says WORLD'S BIGGEST SCRUB / or PPP... ( Poor People's Pimp ),... he's an oportunist with self interest first and foremost....

Al Sharpton hasn't bothered me ... ( yet ),... but then again I don't really pay much attention to him or Farakhan X.

[O. L. T.]

Reverse this and imagine the newspaper headlines.....

"white supremisist get's 20 minutes of airtime on Cspan to form plot to kill off the black race"


How long you think before Cspan would be ousted for allowing that and how many corporate execs would be on TV appologizing for allowing it to air? The double standard in the country itself is fueling a lot of the hate. The double standard however is that if you are anything but white you can have all the airtime you wish to discuss exterminating the white race and "it's all good, we'll allow it to air".

Horrible really..... not the message as much as the networks willingness to allow it on the air for mindless idiots to listen to, because folks........ there's a lot of stupid people out there.

[mikeloc24]

Originally Posted by O. L. T.

Reverse this and imagine the newspaper headlines.....

"white supremisist get's 20 minutes of airtime on Cspan to form plot to kill off the black race"


How long you think before Cspan would be ousted for allowing that and how many corporate execs would be on TV appologizing for allowing it to air? The double standard in the country itself is fueling a lot of the hate. The double standard however is that if you are anything but white you can have all the airtime you wish to discuss exterminating the white race and "it's all good, we'll allow it to air".

Horrible really..... not the message as much as the networks willingness to allow it on the air for mindless idiots to listen to, because folks........ there's a lot of stupid people out there.

Brian, this goes back to a statement of power I made in an older thread. Threats without the power to execute them mean nothing. Blacks have very little power in this country other than buying power, and they couldn't exterminate white people even if they wanted to. And truth be told I don't know of any blacks who "hate" white people, especially to that extent.

It would be more powerful and cause a much bigger stir if the headlines were reversed not because of double standards, but because white people (white men in particular) wield ALL the power in this country. It would be more of a credible threat coming from them. This is just a crackpot enjoying his time in the spotlight, no one really cares about his message or buys into it.

[GS wanted]

A direct quote from Mr. Kambon in the very beginning of his speech, "I wanna' go out of bounds with what I have to say." From that point on you should have considered yourself forewarned.

That said, I think any rational person would disagree with this guy on a few levels based on some of his rash generalizations. And note that the guy who followed him took MUCH less time to deliver a more powerful message.

[NAZTY97]

I wonder if canibus is a part of his vegen diet,... obviously a few brain cells inoperable.

[IronCobra]

Even with Freedom of speach can't he get arrested for enciting violence or threats if bodily harm to another?

[bitkahuna]

Originally Posted by mikeloc24

Blacks have very little power in this country other than buying power...

... white people (white men in particular) wield ALL the power in this country.

Mayors and city coucils in many major cities are all black.

And if you think white people wield all the power then you're going to be totally blindsided by Hispanics.

I am thrilled to see millions of young black people getting better educated than ever before, getting good careers going or starting their own businesses. Sadly many others would rather just keep blaming 'the white man' for keeping them down. The only thing TRULY keeping them down is themselves. No doubt there are racist and powerful white people. But this is America, and if people want something bad enough they can do it.

I skimmed Michael Jordan's new book in a store the other day after seeing him on 60 minutes. He said his early drive was from wanting to keep up with his siblings and then his drive and discipline and enjoyment of the success it brought have KEPT him at it. Does he have power? Hell yes! And HE created it.

So you can keep claiming futility because "white people wield ALL the power in this country" or you can get up and prove that's not true.

[GS wanted]

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

Mayors and city coucils in many major cities are all black.

And if you think white people wield all the power then you're going to be totally blindsided by Hispanics.

I am thrilled to see millions of young black people getting better educated than ever before, getting good careers going or starting their own businesses. Sadly many others would rather just keep blaming 'the white man' for keeping them down. The only thing TRULY keeping them down is themselves. No doubt there are racist and powerful white people. But this is America, and if people want something bad enough they can do it.

I skimmed Michael Jordan's new book in a store the other day after seeing him on 60 minutes. He said his early drive was from wanting to keep up with his siblings and then his drive and discipline and enjoyment of the success it brought have KEPT him at it. Does he have power? Hell yes! And HE created it.

So you can keep claiming futility because "white people wield ALL the power in this country" or you can get up and prove that's not true.

Bit,
I agree with your sentiment here to a large extent. But, I'm not completely sold on (or completely buying) the equal opportunity for all illusions or the pick yourself up by your own bootstrap arguments.
Yes, African Americans have A LOT of opportunities to better their plight as does any other race. On the flipside, I can't think of another race that has the same negative stereotypes associated on the level that African Americans do. I could be wrong and I'm well aware that every race faces stereotypes but I think Afr/Ams face it on a level like NO OTHER.
As for Jordan, I agree he is a great athlete, an extremely competent businessman and a major success overall. Add Magic Johnson, Dr. J, Isiah Thomas, etc., etc., etc. to this list as well. The common denominator here is that these guys are freaks of nature when it comes to their size and innate ability on the court. Further, that talent made them heroes to many Americans across the board because so many of us are sports fans. (Not to mention they've made plenty of team owners wealthy along the way as well.) In that sense, they are given privileges, access, and oppportunities based on their athletic ability that the average Afr/Am will never have. Hell, even the racist will cheer on the Afr/Am athlete when it means his team is winning.
I also agree with Mikeloc that "white people wield ALL the power in this country" because they do. That is a given. But I don't see it as completely stopping those who want to achieve from achieving. Fact is it does add an extra obstacle or hurdle here and there and I'd venture to say that EVERY successful Afr/Am has heard the same lecture from their parents, grandparents, or whomever raised them. In sum, that lecture says "you're black and in this country that means you have to be twice as good, twice as smart, etc. as the white kid just to get your fair shot at the same opportunity they have."
Futility? No. Life lesson passed down through generations based on real life experiences? Yes. And to a large extent, applicable to any minority group.

[bitkahuna]

GS Wanted, great thoughful post, thanks!

Originally Posted by GS wanted

Yes, African Americans have A LOT of opportunities to better their plight as does any other race. On the flipside, I can't think of another race that has the same negative stereotypes associated on the level that African Americans do. I could be wrong and I'm well aware that every race faces stereotypes but I think Afr/Ams face it on a level like NO OTHER.

I agree. I'm not saying there's equal opportunity today.

As for Jordan, I agree he is a great athlete, an extremely competent businessman and a major success overall. Add Magic Johnson, Dr. J, Isiah Thomas, etc., etc., etc. to this list as well. The common denominator here is that these guys are freaks of nature when it comes to their size and innate ability on the court.

I don't agree it's innate ability. You look at how focused, dedicated and unbelievably hard those guys worked to perfect their craft. Take another sports guy Tiger Woods - everyone knows he's an amazing talent, but he works FREAKIN' HARD - it just doesn't come naturally, to anyone. Vijay Singh, another black guy, from Fiji, hits *1000* golf balls a day, even though he's #2 in the world. He's #2 BECAUSE he practices that much. Phil Michelson's a well liked golfer because he's so fan friendly as well as talented, (yes I know he's white ) but not many people know that before every each round in an important tournament he will keep hitting 3 foot putts until he hits 100 in a row into the hole! Miss putt #93? Sorry, start over!

Pro golf is truly an equal opportunity sport! Might there be some good ol boy racist country clubs in existence still? Sure, but they wouldn't stop a talented and hard working black golfer from rising.

Success in any field is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. I've met many not very talented people who've become very successful because they're focused, dedicated, and hard working, oh and have a positive outlook - very important. If you're bitter at the world it will certainly hold you back. The world owes you NOTHING - get over it.

I also agree with Mikeloc that "white people wield ALL the power in this country" because they do. That is a given. But I don't see it as completely stopping those who want to achieve from achieving. Fact is it does add an extra obstacle or hurdle here and there and I'd venture to say that EVERY successful Afr/Am has heard the same lecture from their parents, grandparents, or whomever raised them. In sum, that lecture says "you're black and in this country that means you have to be twice as good, twice as smart, etc. as the white kid just to get your fair shot at the same opportunity they have."
Futility? No. Life lesson passed down through generations based on real life experiences? Yes. And to a large extent, applicable to any minority group.

[Side note, you use the term "African American", others use "black" - leaves us white guys confused as to what to use so we're not insensitive. I was told 'black' is ok so I'll use that.]

I agree again, blacks have more obstacles than whites, but the best revenge is success.

[GS wanted]

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

I agree. I'm not saying there's equal opportunity today.

Glad to start off w/ that agreement/understanding.

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

The world owes you NOTHING - get over it.

If I felt it did I'd be waiting on my reparations. My home, cars, etc. don't equate to 40 acres and a mule but I've earned them (nothing was given) and feel fortunate to have them. Also, I'd say the majority of us are over it. But it's fair enough we need to vent every once in a while and to remind folks of the aforementioned inequities.

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

[Side note, you use the term "African American", others use "black" - leaves us white guys confused as to what to use so we're not insensitive. I was told 'black' is ok so I'll use that.]

Some days I'm PC... some days I'm not. (ha ha) If you "white guys" stay away from the coonin' and of course N-word you're bound to be alright. (ha ha)

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

I agree again, blacks have more obstacles than whites, but the best revenge is success.

Success is a good revenge...but it's an even better lesson to pass along to the next generation that looks to you for guidance and as an example. I'm not done achieving but I'm the first to hope that the next gen will do better than me and continue to strive for more.