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Old 10-02-05, 08:47 PM   #1
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I found this story pretty disturbing, and I'm not sure how I feel about what she could have or should have done. Your thoughts?

Sunshine island's deadly trade
By Christine Jeavans
BBC News, Drake Hall prison, Staffordshire

The majority of foreign women in UK jails are there on drugs offences. Here, one Trinidadian woman explains why she risked her life and liberty by swallowing cocaine to smuggle into Britain.

When the men approached Sonia Joseph* and said they had a job for her she was pleased.

The single mother-of-six had had trouble making ends meet since moving to a village near Port of Spain, Trinidad, two years earlier.

She knew the two men - they had helped her out when she was between jobs, organising a car to take her children to school, sometimes bringing her food.

"I assumed that was a favour, a friendly gesture because they knew my cousins," she said. "I thought they were safe."

But what Sonia did not realise was that after two years spent winning her confidence, the men now required payment-in-kind for their "favours".

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The job, the men explained, meant swallowing packages of cocaine powder, tightly wrapped in latex and then going on a journey - she was not told where.

"I said 'I can pay some other way, through work'. They said 'it is not an option, you owe us.'"

If she did not comply, she was told, "anything might happen" to her children between home and school.

"This guy said 'If you want proof of what we can do, this young man we know, he was shot and he died, there was no investigation'. That frightened me."

A few days later Sonia, who was then 34, was taken to a strange house, shut in a room and was given 100 thumb-sized pellets to swallow.

Each of them contained well over the 1.2 grams of pure cocaine doctors consider to be a lethal oral dose.

She was told to wash them down with Coca-Cola. Three men stood guard and every three hours another man would come to check she was getting on with the task.

"It was frightful to be swallowing these things, it was horrible. I felt I was going to be sick but they gave me some black coffee. I had only taken 20 and they said I had three hours to take the other 80."

Sonia was also given a list of answers to learn by heart to prepare her for questioning by immigration officials at her destination.

Nervous

When she had finally managed to ingest all 100 packages she was put on a flight to London with another man whom she was to pretend was her common law husband.

She was told not to eat on the flight although she did anyway, little knowing that eating stimulates gastric juices which can burn through the latex and cause the bags to burst. Fortunately, this did not happen.

Her companion was "very nervous and sweating and pacing up and down", she said.

"He don't know me and I don't know him, we had no conversation and he was making me more nervous. My thought was never off getting through [customs]."

On arrival at Heathrow, the pair's anxiety was spotted and they were taken for urine tests. At this point Sonia cracked and confessed.

"When they stripped us, this customs officer said to me 'If you have anything it's better that you declare it now rather than go through the X-ray and make it harder for yourself'.

"She asked me if I have children and she told me the things that drugs do to people over here and it was at that point that I told her."

Sonia was sentenced to five-and-a-half years in prison. She has served 27 months and will be returning home in a matter of weeks, under a procedure by which foreign prisoners are deported at the point at which they would get parole were they British nationals.

Two of her six children - the youngest of whom was just a baby when she left - have been abused since she has been away and the family almost ended up in care.

On returning to Trinidad, Sonia wants to get a clerical job but also to work in the community, warning other single mothers about her experiences.

"The separation from my loved ones, two years of my children's life, at the end it's not worth it."

*Names have been changed for this article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...ws/4252138.stm
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My first thought is with the kids. With two of the six being abused during her abscence, somebody needs to answer to that. One can hope and pray that she will be united with all six of her children and together they can rebuild their lives.
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I don't understand how, with her being coerced like that, any jury could have convicted this woman. Complain how you want about the US Court system, I doubt any prosecutor would have taken this case to trial after verifying her story. I hardly call this justice.
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I don't understand how, with her being coerced like that, any jury could have convicted this woman. Complain how you want about the US Court system, I doubt any prosecutor would have taken this case to trial after verifying her story. I hardly call this justice.
Had it been for her story, she would have recieved a much much longer sentance.
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Had it been for her story, she would have recieved a much much longer sentance.
yeah, but she really didn't deserve any sentence...what was she supposed to do? let them kill her and her children?

it seems they verified that her story is true, so how could they, knowing this, still send her to prison? that's such a terrible thing that happened...maybe they didn't find out until they already convicted her, but you'd thing they'd retry her...terrible story
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I don't understand how, with her being coerced like that, any jury could have convicted this woman. Complain how you want about the US Court system, I doubt any prosecutor would have taken this case to trial after verifying her story. I hardly call this justice.
Jury trials are rare in Britain so she probably didn't have a jury. She broke the law, there was evidence, she goes to jail. Circumstances don't matter. Personally I like that. She was in a bad situation, but maybe she should have gone to police in Jamaica instead?

But the fact she has 6 children and can't possibly care for them shows how irresponsible she is.
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But the fact she has 6 children and can't possibly care for them shows how irresponsible she is.
personally, i don't think that's a very fair judgement...for all we know, her husband may have passed away and she was more of a housewife while he brought home the money and now she has to do both...it's really hard to say
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Jury trials are rare in Britain so she probably didn't have a jury. She broke the law, there was evidence, she goes to jail. Circumstances don't matter. Personally I like that. She was in a bad situation, but maybe she should have gone to police in Jamaica instead?

But the fact she has 6 children and can't possibly care for them shows how irresponsible she is.
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It's Trinidad, not Jamaica. Port of Spain is the capital of Trinidad and Tobago (T-n-T). And for all we know these friends that eventually turned on her and threatened her children's lives may have had some pull with the local authorities. Corruption definitely isn't uncommon especially in the drug circles. But just taking this at face value, I think most mothers would do almost anything to secure their children's safety.
Also, we don't know anything about her background (other than she was a working woman with 6 children unable to make ends meet) to assume she's "irresponsible." It is possible she was previously married and now divorced or even a widow.
Bottomline, she committed a crime under duress. Since she's served her time and is being deported back to T-n-T hopefully she can reunite with her kids and somehow improver her situation.
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But the fact she has 6 children and can't possibly care for them shows how irresponsible she is.
OFF topic ranting and irrationality:
Can someone explain to me the rationality behind having any children and THIS many when they can not support themselves??????????????????

This kind of brings the 1-child per household in china.

Back then, poor family would have many children to help them out on the farm when they grow up. However, this just repeats the vicious cycle of suffering:, kids, grandkids, generation after generation

With corruptions like this, would the local police help them out? And like what GSwanted said, the local police has probably been bribed already anway
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But the fact she has 6 children and can't possibly care for them shows how irresponsible she is.[/quote]
this is really the def. of an ignorant statement without a shread of evidence to back it up, im not going to say whym b/c its been said already
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this is really the def. of an ignorant statement without a shread of evidence to back it up, im not going to say whym b/c its been said already
To be fair, they did report "single mother," not "divorced mother" or "widowed mother."
I don't think it's an unwarranted statement.

Unfortunately, "single mother" carries a negative connotation in most countries.
Clearly, she didn't show the best judgement when accepting the initial 'favors' without asking questions. I mean, two years this went on and she had no clue? There's no such thing as something for nothing.

Perhaps the kids would be in even worse shape had she actually been around those 27 months.
We can speculate all day.
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So often we see sob stories of single mothers or even married couples that are poor, desparate, but have loads of children. The media never brings up WHY there's so many children in these situations. IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE TO HAVE CHILDREN if you have no chance of being able to take care of them unless you're willing to give them up for adoption.

OK, let's assume the 'best case' that the father(s?) of these children was/were well off but somehow bailed or died leaving the woman in a bad situation. What would you do? I think if you truly love the children you wouldn't subject them all to miserable circumstances - you'd give up 1 or more to adoption, foster care, or relatives/friends so they have a better chance. It's not a great situation but hey, bad things happen.

Think it's cold? Try seeing if the kid who ends up homeless, hungry and desparate agrees with me.
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To be fair, they did report "single mother," not "divorced mother" or "widowed mother."
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Unfortunately, "single mother" carries a negative connotation in most countries.
Clearly, she didn't show the best judgement when accepting the initial 'favors' without asking questions. I mean, two years this went on and she had no clue? There's no such thing as something for nothing.
Seems a bit harsh. The native island (West Indian) community is a bit more communal IMO. If you're new to a town and have family friends offering favors or help from time to time it's not so naive to accept it without question. Especially if she's coming from the country into the city.

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We can speculate all day.
Definitely true. The differing perspectives, interpretations, perceptions, etc. are pretty interesting.
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So often we see sob stories of single mothers or even married couples that are poor, desparate, but have loads of children. The media never brings up WHY there's so many children in these situations. IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE TO HAVE CHILDREN if you have no chance of being able to take care of them unless you're willing to give them up for adoption.
I totally agree with you bit
I don't see a point in raising any children in the land of poverty. What does the children have for them besides misery and no future at all?

Heck, I even feel sorry for childrens to be raised here in the US when their parent(s) are total unfit idiots Today, I saw this young child (5-6 yo), sitting in the front seat of an suv, grandma is in the back, took off his seat belt, putting his head on the door/window as if he was sleeping while the mom did NOTHING
Can you can't how many things are wrong with this picture???

IF I was next to her, I would of told her to buckle him up or even flag down an officer.

I'm sorry, but there's waaaaaaay too many stupid people with no common sense these days.

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do any of you guys thats making the "shes so dumb" comments have any kids?if not remember the old saying "dont judge a man until.........."if you dont know the rest then this means you.this is a funny thread, im not saying she was right or wrong but b4 i start blaming her i would be asking questions about these so called friends.**** most pregnancies in this countryn are unplanned and if you dont personally know this woman and what her situation is then you dont have enough info. to judge any decision that she has made in her life unless of course if you are part of the justice system
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