more Abu Ghraib pics coming out

[jpcdmd]

Well, the liberal minds are doing all they can to bring this country down even further. Appears that the first run of pics form Abu Ghraib weren't enough, now the ACLU needs to make all of them available to the public. Because we all know how much GOOD that will bring for everybody.

Thanks ACLU, I'm sure all of the hardworking patriotic troops out there risking their butts for the country are very appreciative that their jobs will be harder now.

Why doesn't the ACLU just rename themselves "Al Queda in the US"????????????

[drink300]

I agree...the ACLU is completely and totally out of control. If you are an abortionist, murderer, child rapist or terrorist, you are on their short list of "worthy causes". If you are a normal hardworking American who believes in God, you can forget about them protecting YOUR civil liberties.

But seriously, the real people at fault here are those prison guards from Abu Ghraib. We have spent 75+ years and trillions of dollars on wars where we treated even the enemy with respect and honored their basic human rights. Because of Aby Ghraib, ALL of that work, all of that money, means NOTHING. We are hated, and our soldiers lives are in danger because of those a**h*le guards in Abu Ghraib.

Makes me furious.

drink300

[UDel]

The ACLU has absolutely no credibility with me and is one of the most corrupt hypocritical organizations out there. If they were hardworking law abiding Christians or some other group the ACLU dislikes being "tortured" the ACLU would care less and would be on the opposite side trying to keep the pictures out of the media saying it was no importance. The ACLU is just another organization run by mostly radical liberals that always takes sides against Bush, republicans, conservatives, middle or upper class, Christians, and any other group they do not like and try to make out to be evil. There is absolutely no reason to open up this case again and put out a bunch more pictures they did not already show. Showing these pictures will only enrage people again and help recruit more radicals to attack the U.S. and its allies. After such a big deal was made about those photos is when kidnappings started skyrocketing in Iraq and elsewhere and the terrorists used it as a reason they beheaded Nick Berg as well as several others. Just when the people of Iraq are supporting the U.S. more and more the media is going to make a big deal out of these photos again and it will create more division and mistrust. Some people are taking First Amendment rights too far and could care less if it results in more deaths, terrorists, or riots. There are situations were it is best not to start publishing damaging things and this is one of them that will most likely result in more deaths and aid in terrorists recruitment. I remember when the original photos were released many news outlets simply reported it as the American military torturing Iraqis like it was very common among our military doing this and they were torturing random innocent Iraqis instead of making it clear that they were terrorists and these were isolated events of a few servicemen and not the majority.

I think it is shameful that the ACLU is doing this but I am not surprised by anything from this uncredible unnessesary organization. It is also shameful if any media outlet starts plastering these pictures in the newspaper and TV all over again just so they can create controversy and ratings. I will not be watching or reading there networks or newspapers anymore if they run these photos which in no way is newsworthy and will only create more deaths and problems.

[link13]

I find it interesting, but not surprising, that you object to seeing photographic evidence of wroingdoings in Iraq by our troops. I did not and do not support the decision to go to war in Iraq, but I do support the troops on the ground who are fighting the war. It was not their decision to fight the war, but they are fighting it and risking (and losing) their lives in the effort.

I am not an ACLU supporter and I am critical of many of their complaints, but for anyone to say that photographs of prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib ia aome sort of attack on Christians is complete freaking nonsense. The abuse happened and it is being prosecuted by the DoD as we speak.

All previous posters in this thread are intoxicated with their own myopia.

Showing footage of prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib is not an attack. It is a report of something that is happening and needs to be corrected. The first photos of this that I saw were official DoD photos.

The fact that you feel the ACLU, who by the way, did not originally post these photos, is attacking your beliefs, suggests that you are not capable of analyzing criticism and examining the merits of different viewpoints.

You should consider the possibility that there were and are soldiers who act improperly. It has nothing to do, in many cases, with the administration, prevailing policy, or religious conviction.

I regard those of you who are offended by Abu Ghraib photos of prison abuse as intellectual ZEROs. I invite you to PM me and articulate the offense that has been committed against your religious and political beliefs. Of course, I expect to have zero messages because you CANNOT construct a valid argument. I know this already.

Link13

[jpcdmd]

Hey Link go back and REREAD the previous posts!

Nobody said that Christianity or their own beliefs are under attack by posting the photos. I think the quote was that if a Christain group was being tortured (if you can even call it torture - more like hazing) the ACLU would most likely not raise a finger. But God forbid our own enemy be mistreated even slightly, the ACLU gets their panties in a bunch.

WHO'S SIDE ARE THEY ON FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!!!!!!!!!

We are in a war and we need to do everything we can to win it. If abuse has occurred, it needs to be stopped BUT IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE BROADCAST ALL OVER THE FRIGGIN WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

[UDel]

Link, try reading the posts again and hopefully you will comprehend that nobody in any way said the ACLU ruling was an attack on Christians. I was mearly stating that the ACLU has their own agenda for what they go after and if the "victims" were hardworking middle class Christians, or some other group the ACLU is generally against and always out to try to get they would not care and would not bother taking it to the level they are taking. I agree that what a small number of service men and woman did was wrong and they should receive some form of punishment but the way the media blew it up out of proportion and constantly bombarded those images on the TV or newspapers for weeks and made it out that most of the military was doing this and it was happening all the time to innocent Iraqis was even worse in my opinion. Where is all the outrage from the media and ACLU when Nick Berg was beheaded or others kidnapped and "murdered" by isurgents/terrorists or when suicide bombers strike in school yards or recruiting stations. All of those things are much worse yet receive very little attention and scorn but when a small number of soldiers embarrass or humiliate mainly a small number of Iraqi terrorist and crimianls the media hammers the issue for weeks and months and even a year later may continue to exploit an incident that is not newsworthy now and could get more people killed or fuel more anger towards America and its allies. Nobody said the ACLU published the photos nor did they say it was an attack on Christianity to publish those photos so stop making things up and trying to trying to turn around what people said. What we are mainly complaining about is the way the media reported the original photos and how they exploited the situation for ratings and how the ACLU which is very hypocritical is ruling now to make more photos available to the media well after the incident took place and all the negativity it may cause if the media runs these new photos which is totally unnecessary.

Try taking more time and reading things a little closer and maybe you will understand what peoples points are so you don't have to make wrong ignorant posts and attack other people. And your right with the tone of that post I doubt anybody will want to PM you.

[Lil4X]

Originally Posted by jpcdmd

We are in a war and we need to do everything we can to win it. If abuse has occurred, it needs to be stopped BUT IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE BROADCAST ALL OVER THE FRIGGIN WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

Exactly.

Last time the publication of those frat-house antics got some of the Islamofacists whipped into a lather that resulted in another round of suicide bombers. I'd like to know just how placing our troops in jeopardy equates with not having some terrorist feeling bad about himself for being photographed with his underwear on his head.

Maybe we should require that each of these pictures be published alongside one of a coalition worker having his head sawn off. I mean if the ACLU wants to be even handed . . .

[RobSoVIP]

How about this... How about the republican leadership do a damn thing to stop these instances all together. The ACLU fights some strange fights, but they will represent a radical church group who wants to protest outside an Abortion clinic just as fast as they will fight for the release of these photos... The fact of the matter is that the government is more worried about the public opinion in the US more than retaliation in Iraq. They can handle upset citizens in Iraq with war tactics, but they have to use spin tactics to handle upset citizens in the states.

[jpcdmd]

This is NOT a partisan issue..it is an issue of national safety and troop safety. Democrat, Republican, doesn't matter. Both sides should be against the publication of these types of photos. Publication of the photos and all the hype that goes with it is successful psy-ops for the enemy!

Those who publish the photos should be charged with treason, hands down!

[bitkahuna]

The Abu Ghraib scandal is a shameful disaster for the U.S. military. Lindie England got 3 years for what she did and that's ridiculous. She and her peers and supervisors have REALLY damaged the reputation of our military around the world and should have their careers ruined and MAJOR jail time.

It seems like the military has not aggressively sought to properly punish those involved and while the ACLU is often a repulsive organization, if their actions shame the military into REALLY doing something about this disaster, then it's a good thing.

[RobSoVIP]

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

It seems like the military has not aggressively sought to properly punish those involved and while the ACLU is often a repulsive organization, if their actions shame the military into REALLY doing something about this disaster, then it's a good thing.

Most logical statement made in this thread...

[jpcdmd]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Yeah those morons in the military who did the wrongdoings should be punished bigtime.

But publicizing it for the world doesn't do any more good, it just hurts us. Its still just as RIGHT for the military to punish those who need to be punished WITHOUT letting everyone in the world know that a few soldiers f'ed up.

[chicagoblknazn]

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

The Abu Ghraib scandal is a shameful disaster for the U.S. military. Lindie England got 3 years for what she did and that's ridiculous. She and her peers and supervisors have REALLY damaged the reputation of our military around the world and should have their careers ruined and MAJOR jail time.

It seems like the military has not aggressively sought to properly punish those involved and while the ACLU is often a repulsive organization, if their actions shame the military into REALLY doing something about this disaster, then it's a good thing.

This is the be all and end all statement for the thread...

It was shameful and wrong and it hurt the US big time. But it also happened...and EVERYONE should be able to know what exactly happened. I'm sure the Germans hate that the holocoust took place......i mean I know it was during a war and all.....but we can;t sweep everything under the carpet and act like it never happened just because they make nice cars for us.

This war isn't about image nor a popularity contest.........so why should we act like it.....unless it is.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by chicagoblknazn

It was shameful and wrong and it hurt the US big time. But it also happened...and EVERYONE should be able to know what exactly happened. I'm sure the Germans hate that the holocoust took place......i mean I know it was during a war and all.....but we can;t sweep everything under the carpet and act like it never happened just because they make nice cars for us.

This war isn't about image nor a popularity contest.........so why should we act like it.....unless it is.

I disagree, not Everyone needs to know what happened. Yes it needs to be investigated and reported, but that doesn't mean that Everyone needs or has the right to know each and every little detail. The government and independent commissions, yes, average joe who can barely understand where his next meal is coming from doesn't.

I do agree that we have let some of the top brass off the hook on this and they need to also be held responsible for their major part in this scandal.

But to think anything is being swept under the rug is not in touch with reality. There is no good or positive that comes out by publishing more photos of this event that has already been well documented by the media. It's old news and should remain as such.

[mikeloc24]

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

Lindie England got 3 years for what she did and that's ridiculous.

Gatdayumn that chick is FUGLY as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone put HER on a leash!!!!