President's speech

[KayGee]

I know that it is all political doublespeak written by a team of professional speech writers, but I was impressed by this quote from W's speech last night:

"As all of us saw on television, there is also some deep, persistent poverty in this region as well," he said. "And that poverty has roots in a history of racial discrimination, which cut off generations from the opportunity of America.

"We have a duty to confront this poverty with bold action. So let us restore all that we have cherished from yesterday, and let us rise above the legacy of inequality."


On your mark, get ready, get set, discuss ....

[morris]

If you read between the double speak that means everyone making over 50K per year bend over and get ready. Time to take from the evil rich to give to the poor and down trodden.

[bitkahuna]

"Morris vs. KayGee" - ringside seat please!

I don't know if you guys have even met have ya? In case not, you guys are both AWESOME so go easy on eachother!

[GS4fun]

George surely made lots of promises in that speech. I want to know who's gonna pay for this.

He wont dare raise taxes...so funding is probably gonna be cut somewhere....the question is where....if not, here we go again increasing the national debt.

[GS wanted]

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

"Morris vs. KayGee" - ringside seat please!

I don't know if you guys have even met have ya? In case not, you guys are both AWESOME so go easy on eachother!

Tough choice for me between their avatars at least...but Beyonce' wins out.
I've already made my views on Bush known in other threads. For him though, it was a decent speech. Actions speak louder than words so we'll have to see if the plan(s) he mentioned come to fruition and at what expense. I will give him credit for addressing the racial discrimination and poverty issues directly.

[morris]

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

"Morris vs. KayGee" - ringside seat please!

I don't know if you guys have even met have ya? In case not, you guys are both AWESOME so go easy on eachother!

Nothing but love.......


As for where the money is coming from, he may not raise taxes but there will be heavy deficit spending for sure. Either way the hard working guy gets the short end of the stick.

I'd love to see them cut the bloated pork laiden highway bill they just passed or reduce / eliminate foriegn aid or really deal with illegal immigration and the burden it places on our economy.

But you know our physcaly (sp) conservative champion of conservatism is never ever going to do anything like that.

[morris]

Originally Posted by GS wanted

Tough choice for me between their avatars at least...but Beyonce' wins out.
I've already made my views on Bush known in other threads. For him though, it was a decent speech. Actions speak louder than words so we'll have to see if the plan(s) he mentioned come to fruition and at what expense. I will give him credit for addressing the racial discrimination and poverty issues directly.

Hey GS I agree that there are most certainly poverty issues down there, but I have to ask why. Is it a cultural thing, a lack of motivation, lack of educational opportunity, perhaps it is that there is no value placed on education in some circles. I really dont know I've never been there, I can only speculate..

But I can say it isnt the white man with his boot on the necks of hardworking black folks trying to keep them down.

Heck as far as I can tell the city of New Orleans is run by minorities, what have they done to better the plight of the 30% plus of the community that is living in poverty.

[bitkahuna]

Originally Posted by morris

But you know our physcaly (sp) conservative champion of conservatism is never ever going to do anything like that.

OK Mr. MBA, you'd better learn to spell FISCALLY.

fis·cal Audio pronunciation of "fiscally" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fskl)
adj.

1. Of or relating to government expenditures, revenues, and debt: a fiscal policy of incurring budget deficits to stimulate a weak economy.
2. Of or relating to finance or finances.

[French, from Latin fisclis, from fiscus, money basket, treasury.]fiscal·ly adv.

(dictionary.com)

[morris]

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

OK Mr. MBA, you'd better learn to spell FISCALLY.

fis·cal Audio pronunciation of "fiscally" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fskl)
adj.

1. Of or relating to government expenditures, revenues, and debt: a fiscal policy of incurring budget deficits to stimulate a weak economy.
2. Of or relating to finance or finances.

[French, from Latin fisclis, from fiscus, money basket, treasury.]fiscal·ly adv.

(dictionary.com)

Gee thanks what would I do without you and you shouldnt make fun of me I have been oppressed

I noticed you didnt correct anyone elses spelling, hmmmm

EDIT...........
Okay before someone reads this and gets the wrong idea, I was being funny in my own way. I did not intend to or want to be insensitive or hurt anyones feelings. I certainly have no ill will toward anyone on this board and specifically have the utmost respect for Bitkahuna and count him among my list of buddies.

[GS wanted]

Originally Posted by morris

Hey GS I agree that there are most certainly poverty issues down there, but I have to ask why. Is it a cultural thing, a lack of motivation, lack of educational opportunity, perhaps it is that there is no value placed on education in some circles. I really dont know I've never been there, I can only speculate..

But I can say it isnt the white man with his boot on the necks of hardworking black folks trying to keep them down.

Heck as far as I can tell the city of New Orleans is run by minorities, what have they done to better the plight of the 30% plus of the community that is living in poverty.

I wouldn't say it's a cultural thing by any stretch of the imagination. Far too many southern African-American success stories to give that any consideration IMO. My father, for example, was born and raised in a poorer section of N.O., watched his mother raise more affluent caucasion kids as a nanny, hustled to take care of her and himself, got his education, joined the service in order to get out of there, see the world on someone else's dime, further his education, and later retire to the private sector all the while making a good life for our family and making sure we had better opportunities than he did.
That's just a simple personal example that doesn't take into account the great minds being developed at Southern University, Dillard University, Xavier U., etc. That in itself also discredits the lack of educational opportunity premise as well.
So, as with any small cross section of society, I'd concede that "there is no value placed on education in some circles." Every race, and demographic for that matter, has that group that wants the easy way out or has a lack of motivation.
But if I had the specific answers to all of your questions I wouldn't be here on CL...I'd be somewhere turning those anwers into $$$.

[morris]

ahh, I should have clarified, when I said cultural, I was reffering more to socio economic status rather than race. In America we have something much of the world does not, I call it upward mobility. While we do have a segment of the population living in poverty at any given time, according the the Census people (I couldnt remember how to spell buereau) the size of the poverty segment is relatively constant or at least it has been. However it is not the same people living in poverty year after year. Many of the so called poverty stricken move out of poverty and into the mainstream but they are replaced by others.

There is a subsegment of the poverty group however that tends to remain in poverty, this group has there own set of norms and values, this is the culture I had in mind regarding my previous statement.

[GS wanted]

Originally Posted by morris

Gee thanks what would I do without you and you shouldnt make fun of me I have been oppressed

I noticed you didnt correct anyone elses spelling, hmmmm

Just at a quick glance, I for one didn't notice anybody else had any spelling errors. (ha ha)
Now that I wrote that someone will notice an error from me. (ha ha)

Originally Posted by morris

EDIT...........
Okay before someone reads this and gets the wrong idea, I was being funny in my own way. I did not intend to or want to be insensitive or hurt anyones feelings. I certainly have no ill will toward anyone on this board and specifically have the utmost respect for Bitkahuna and count him among my list of buddies.

Ha ha ha ha...no worries...from me at least. I think somebody would have to read A LOT into those comments to make them more than what they were.

[KayGee]

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

"...I don't know if you guys have even met have ya? ...

Yes we met although he may not remember. It was before the Dave and Buster meet last year. I was on my old bike and he was just starting to create that beast of a GS that he has.

Originally Posted by morris

"...he may not raise taxes but there will be heavy deficit spending for sure.
Either way the hard working guy gets the short end of the stick."

Agreed. Don't we always

Originally Posted by GS Wanted

"...Beyonce' wins "

Stop lusting after my future baby's momma

Originally Posted by GS4fun

"George surely made lots of promises in that speech"

Don't hold your breath waiting. They all know how to work the sound bites.

Originally Posted by morris

"Is it a cultural thing, a lack of motivation, lack of educational opportunity, perhaps it is that there is no value placed on education in some circles"

Probably a combination of all of the above. We all know people who have overcome their circumstances. But on the other hand, we also know folks who make us all look bad. I am willing to bet that in less than 6 months there will be so many stories of people taking advantage of this situation that the entire nation will be so disgusted that we will probably spend the rest of our lives living down the stereotypes.

[morris]

Naw, I dont really remember but hey its good meeting you again.

[mikeloc24]

Part of the problem is that there is no real opportunity in New Orleans. The best you can hope to become is a police officer or a fireman down there if you come from a really poor family. If you grow up in a poor family where there's only one parent or one income then you're looked upon to do more things as a child, things which will take away from time to study like helping to raise your brothers and sisters. You might even drop out of school early to get a job to help your family, as was the case with most of my friends. It's just a bad situation because even if you WANT to get out and do better you don't always have the resources. And let's face it, if mommy or daddy didn't go to college your chances of going are less likely. I could go on and on about why things are the way they are in New Orleans. It's a vicious circle...and it doesn't help that damn near half the city is composed of crappy housing projects

And it's funny to me how people are jumping all over Mayor Ray Nagin. When he ran for mayor his opponent called him "Ray Raegan" in his smear campaigns because he said that Nagin's political views were largely similiar to former Pres. Reagan's views. Now looky...