Where the HELL is my President!?

[NoS]

First off I voted for Bush and was a hardcore Bush supporter and Republican but since the last election Bush and the party have changed so so that I have almost become a Independent and not friend nor foe of Bush.

Did anyone else catch the speech President Bush made it. All the time I was thinking where is the President I voted for?

3 Things Bush Needs To Do:

1. Gas Price Caps - The Oil Companies are RIPPING people off pure and simple and people like Rush need to stop with the Republican liner putting caps on would remove the free market. You cant have a free market when there are several companies controlling the market, a MONOPOLY!

2. Stop the money to the ILLEGAL aliens and put that money towards the distaster zone in New Orleans!!! Tell them to get the hell out of the country and stop using up our resources. NO more visiting hospitals and not paying forcing them to shut down. Get the hell out!!!!!!!!!

3. Stop giving millions of dollars to Africa for help with Aids, we dont have unlimited resources and need to help the people here first.

Man this pisses me off so much.... just needed to vent! It really hurts seeing all that destruction in New Orleans and seeing the president and government sitting back, not to mention the open borders and floods of illegal aliens and maybe terriorists.

And why is he taking a vacation during this disaster and while we are at war!

[TXSTYLE]

Well......

My $.02

Dubya is either NOT emphasizing/executing his "disaster relief plan" or his people are'nt listening.

I have been tuned in the last 2 hours to MSNBC, CNN, and local news and I am mesmerized at what local people are saying from LA. They are literally being left out to dry or should I say DIE. I can't understand where the Natl. Guard is and why so many folks have no help in sight. Truly heartbreaking...

I have you all in my prayers...

[Vegassc400]

But he did "fly over" and check out the destruction from the air.

You're acting like this is his first extended vacation. This is what many people were complaining about even before the last election. I'm not trying to argue or say "I told ya so" or anything like that. I'm just as frustrated and I didn't vote for him. I was starting to soften on him a bit but the country is having some serious problems and he's going on bike rides with Lance. What's that about?

Just so you know, you're not alone. Many of his supporters are now starting to question him and his approval rating is reflecting it.

[drink300]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Well......

My $.02

Dubya is either NOT emphasizing/executing his "disaster relief plan" or his people are'nt listening.

I have been tuned in the last 2 hours to MSNBC, CNN, and local news and I am mesmerized at what local people are saying from LA. They are literally being left out to dry or should I say DIE. I can't understand where the Natl. Guard is and why so many folks have no help in sight. Truly heartbreaking...

I have you all in my prayers...

a) Bush can do very little from Washington. He can elist the help of the military- Navy and Coast Guard- ( which he has already done), release oil from the reserves to help with gas prices (which he has already done) and declare the states a disaster area so they can get federal funding (which he has already done)

b) The National Guard is not called up by Bush. he is not allowed to call them up. The governors are responsible for calling them up and controlling them. Out of Bush's hands

c) Bush was on a WORKING vacation (guess what, there are work spaces in Texas too) and he left and came back to Washington as soon as he realized how bad the situation was. I have very specific reasons that I am disappointed at Bush. But there's one thing he is and will always be and that is one of the hardest working men in Washington (or Texas in this case). He works much harder than most people, is always on time, excersizes every day and runs one of the tightest presidential ships (from an operations standpoint) of any president.

I know everyone would like to blame Bush for everything, but the finger really needs to be pointed at a couple of key groups:

#1- I know there are sick and elderly who could not get out, but there are also over 50,000 people who REFUSED to follow official evacuation orders. They created their own nightmare with their stubbornness. Although my prayers are still with them...it was a VERY bad decision on THEIR part.

#2- The city of New Orleas was warned many years ago about this exact situation. They did nothing to prepare. They had no plans, they didn't strengthen their levies and they didn't have an emergency response center in place. Shame on Louisiana's Government!

#3- The national guard is really trying, but the conditions simply do not allow them great communication or ability to travel easily and deliver supplies, etc... They are stuck. Bush could fly there himself, shower them with a trillion dollars and it still wouldn't help anything. The situation is what it is and everybody is just doing the best they can.

And on the AIDS issue...the Dems have been complaining for years that Bush doesn't do enough to help in the AIDS fight. So he helps and he still gets badmouthed. Can't win for losing, can he? AIDS will kill many more people in the next few DAYS than Hurrican Katrina ever could.

drink300

[TXSTYLE]

Nice clarification about the Coast Guard there drink300.

Now the part about...

"But there's one thing he is and will always be and that is one of the hardest working men in Washington (or Texas in this case). He works much harder than most people, is always on time, excersizes every day and runs one of the tightest presidential ships (from an operations standpoint) of any president."

Just because he's physically "fit" (from what we can see) doesn't mean he's mentally, emotionally, eduactionally, etc "fit" to lead our great nation... He's NOT!
And unlike VegasSC, I will say "Told ya so!"
When it's all said and done, he and this administration will have driven our economy so far into the ground that Satan will have to re-locate. Not to mention total erradication of World Support, the Enviornment, and a botched War with no end in sight, that our children and wallets will suffer for possibly decades to come.
Like the polls indicate... The man has pissed off more Democrats and some Reps than ANY Pres in our history. But guess what... Good Ol' Dubya has actually galvanized his support from his key base: Strict Conservatives who just happen to be wealthy.

[Lil4X]

Originally Posted by NoS

1. Gas Price Caps - The Oil Companies are RIPPING people off pure and simple and people like Rush need to stop with the Republican liner putting caps on would remove the free market. You cant have a free market when there are several companies controlling the market, a MONOPOLY!

The Eeeevil Oil Companies do not set the price of oil. "Several companies controlling the market, a MONOPOLY" Somebody slept through that economics class.

The price of oil is set by the SUPPLY of oil. It rises when production is down, falls when production is up. Whether the availability of hydrocarbons is controlled by the threat of a hurricane closing the storm chokes in the Gulf, or by OPEC twisting the tap in Venezuela and the Middle East, wringing dollars out of the world economy - it makes no difference, the result is the same: more dollars out of your pocket and mine. Whether rising demand in Asia is driving global prices upward, or the greenies all but eliminating our domestic production, we are taking it in the shorts. You and I are paying the price for years of political appeasement of the green lobby that crippled our energy resources and made us almost totally dependent on foreign oil.

Sophomoric BushHate is not going to solve the issue. What would you have him do, go out on the levee shovel sand into sandbags? What a great use of his time!

Using the powers of his office he immediately set about organizing his cabinet members in Homeland Security, Transportation, and Defense to handle the disaster - despite the fact that the National Guard is a STATE agency, he has thrown the weight of the military HE can order to duty into the search and rescue effort. President Bush is handling the disaster like an experienced CEO, not a political hack seeking photo ops with a shovel.

President Bush is a professional. He is not going to order a couple Army divisions into New Orleans to stop looters, nor will he deploy combat units to deliver meals on wheels as did his predecessor. He won't dither around and hold focus groups on global warming and the Kyoto treaty to see if future hurricanes can be persueded to alter course away from the continent, as would "Jimmuh" Carter. He has surrounded himself with good managers and he's moderating their work, setting broad objectives and collecting reports - the textbook example of an effective executive.

I think he's doing just the right thing, staying at the helm and working with federal, state, and local agencies in both the public and private sector to work the problem. If he took a walking tour of New Orleans at this point, the required security, logistics, and communications would simply overwhelm the resources available and delay the recovery by days or weeks. Charitable organizations and private industry are responding in the finest traditions of community service.

Oh, and where are the French and the Germans, those paragons of peace in this? I haven't seen any wine, pate' or bratwurst being parachuted into the disaster area . . .

[O. L. T.]

Lil4x, they do set the price because they refuse to take any cut whatsoever out of their fat pockets. If they weren't shooting for a high margin, they'd still have plenty of money and people wouldn't be riding mo-ped's to work.

[babyGS3]

Where in the hell is the rest of the world when we have disasters like this???

[bitkahuna]

Originally Posted by NoS

3 Things Bush Needs To Do:

1. Gas Price Caps - The Oil Companies are RIPPING people off pure and simple and people like Rush need to stop with the Republican liner putting caps on would remove the free market. You cant have a free market when there are several companies controlling the market, a MONOPOLY!

NO. Price controls never work. Gasoline and oil is a COMMODITY and if we have price caps, it WILL DIMINISH SUPPLY. So you want gas shortages, like the clown President Jimmy Carter caused?

2. Stop the money to the ILLEGAL aliens and put that money towards the distaster zone in New Orleans!!! Tell them to get the hell out of the country and stop using up our resources. NO more visiting hospitals and not paying forcing them to shut down. Get the hell out!!!!!!!!!

Too simplistic. Telling them to get out won't make them get out. Like it or not, our economy DEPENDS on illegal aliens because the majority of Americans won't do the same jobs for the same pay. I don't like people coming in illegally either, but having a corrupt poor country to our south makes it inevitable. The only we could really stop it is a wall/fence and military on the border, but the cost would be STAGGERING.

3. Stop giving millions of dollars to Africa for help with Aids, we dont have unlimited resources and need to help the people here first.

I guess I agree with you on this one because sending money to Africa will NOT fix the problem, which is ignorance.

Man this pisses me off so much.... just needed to vent! It really hurts seeing all that destruction in New Orleans and seeing the president and government sitting back

Sitting back? Not true at all - thousands of people are helping, funds are pouring in. The problem is just enormous.

And why is he taking a vacation during this disaster and while we are at war!

Even a President needs to recharge and get a change of scenery once in a while. I would not want to be permanently imprisoned in the White House... but this was hardly a vacation, it's more just getting out of the White House and having a chance to take occasional breaks on his own property. Anyway, he's back at the White House now, not that it makes any difference.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

When it's all said and done, he and this administration will have driven our economy so far into the ground that Satan will have to re-locate.

This is one of the most out of touch statements that I have read out here in quite a while.

Anyone who has been following the economy for the last year or so knows that the truth is completely opposite of this statement. Almost every major indicator is up not down!

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[RiverRat]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

This is one of the most out of touch statements that I have read out here in quite a while.

Anyone who has been following the economy for the last year or so knows that the truth is completely opposite of this statement. Almost every major indicator is up not down!

Agreed. This country's economy grew a hefty 3.8 (or so)% YTD (Year to Date). But we ARE headed for a recession (I indicated my reasons for believing so here: http://www.clublexus.com/forums/show...&postcount=100)

I think Bush is doing what he can do given what there is he can do. In other words, with a tragedy like this, there is only SO much that we can do. Think about, an ENTIRE city is UNDERWATER. What can you do besides letting mother nature take her course? Sure we can help get people that are homeless out of there, and we are doing that as efficiently as possible. You have to remember, this is a state of emergency down there in LA. It's an emergency, not like we were prepared for such devastation. Given what we have on our hands, I think the government is taking the best course of action. It's hard to believe that in an emergency like this that politics would be involved in decision making. Any other President would be doing the same things if he had the same cabinet members.

[NoS]

bitkahuna = NO. Price controls never work. Gasoline and oil is a COMMODITY and if we have price caps, it WILL DIMINISH SUPPLY. So you want gas shortages, like the clown President Jimmy Carter caused?

Come on you have to asleep to not see that the Oil companies are RIPPING people off pure and simple, at least a price caps for 90 days would help! And if it diminshed supply which it wont because money will still be MADE but not the outragious amount they are currently making someone else will step in. There will be a demand and thus someone will provide a supply!

bitkahuna = Too simplistic. Telling them to get out won't make them get out. Like it or not, our economy DEPENDS on illegal aliens because the majority of Americans won't do the same jobs for the same pay. I don't like people coming in illegally either, but having a corrupt poor country to our south makes it inevitable. The only we could really stop it is a wall/fence and military on the border, but the cost would be STAGGERING.

Ok then lets have Bush force the Mexicans, etc to provide us oil for keeping them, a gallon per illegal sounds fair. 20 million gallons sounds very good.....

bitkahuna = I guess I agree with you on this one because sending money to Africa will NOT fix the problem, which is ignorance.

Well we agree on that then

bitkahuna = Sitting back? Not true at all - thousands of people are helping, funds are pouring in. The problem is just enormous.

I meant the president and government, cilivians of cource helped including me. Numerous news stations report the national guard isnt helping only driving around and some criminals down there are looting, raping, killing people left and right.

bitkahuna = Even a President needs to recharge and get a change of scenery once in a while. I would not want to be permanently imprisoned in the White House... but this was hardly a vacation, it's more just getting out of the White House and having a chance to take occasional breaks on his own property. Anyway, he's back at the White House now, not that it makes any difference.

Still we are at war and maybe a week long vaction is ok but not a month.

[Lil4X]

Originally Posted by NoS

Come on you have to asleep to not see that the Oil companies are RIPPING people off pure and simple, at least a price caps for 90 days would help! And if it diminshed supply which it wont because money will still be MADE but not the outragious amount they are currently making someone else will step in. There will be a demand and thus someone will provide a supply

. . . . . OK . . if demand will unleash a supply, why are price controls necessary?

Originally Posted by NoS

Ok then lets have Bush force the Mexicans, etc to provide us oil for keeping them, a gallon per illegal sounds fair. 20 million gallons sounds very good.....

One good idea has already been floated: It seems the USDA, by means of it's database is able to track the bloodlines and even the location of individual cows in the pursuit of Mad Cow Disease. Every commercial beef animal in the US and Canada can not only be located, but their veterinary records recalled.

Why don't we issue every illegal crossing the Mexican border a cow?

[KVA]

Originally Posted by Lil4X

Why don't we issue every illegal crossing the Mexican border a cow?

lol classic