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Old 08-23-05, 05:19 PM   #1
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Default Why does anyone care about what Pat Robertson has to say?

who ever asked this guy to give his political views in the first place?????????

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CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuela's vice president accused religious broadcaster Pat Robertson on Tuesday of making "terrorist statements" by suggesting that American agents assassinate President Hugo Chavez.
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On Monday, Robertson said on the Christian Broadcast Network's "The 700 Club": "We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability."

"We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel said Venezuela was studying its legal options, adding that how Washington responds to Robertson's comments would put its anti-terrorism policy to the test.

"The ball is in the U.S. court, after this criminal statement by a citizen of that country," Rangel told reporters. "It's huge hypocrisy to maintain this discourse against terrorism and at the same time, in the heart of that country, there are entirely terrorist statements like those."

The U.S. government distanced itself from Robertson's comments.

Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, appearing at a
Pentagon news conference, said when asked: "Our department doesn't do that kind of thing. It's against the law. He's a private citizen. Private citizens say all kinds of things all the time."

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack called Robertson's remarks "inappropriate."

"This is not the policy of the United States government. We do not share his views," McCormack said.

There was no immediate comment from Chavez, who was winding up an official visit to Cuba on Tuesday. Scores of journalists awaited Chavez at the airport, where he was to board a plane for a trip to Jamaica to discuss a Venezuela initiative to supply petroleum to Caribbean countries under favorable financial terms.

Chavez has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of
President Bush, accusing the United States of conspiring to topple his government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him. U.S. officials have called the accusations ridiculous.

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

Rangel called Robertson "a man who seems to have quite a bit of influence in that country," adding sarcastically that his words were "very Christian."

The comments "reveal that religious fundamentalism is one of the great problems facing humanity in these times," Rangel said.

Robertson's remarks appear likely to further stoke tensions between Washington and Caracas. Chavez has repeatedly claimed that American officials are plotting to oust or kill him — charges U.S. officials have denied.

The United States is the top buyer of Venezuelan crude, but Chavez has made it clear he wants to decrease the country's dependence on the U.S. market by finding other buyers.

Chavez has survived a brief 2002 coup, a devastating two-month strike that ended in early 2003 and recall referendum in 2004. The former army paratroop commander, a close ally of Cuban leader
Fidel Castro, is up for re-election next year, and polls suggest he is the favorite.
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Pat Robertson is a Charismatic, Fundamentalist Christian, but he does not speak for all people of faith. Quite frankly, in recent years I believe Pat has become a bit unhinged. You can come to your own conclusions about that.

As a Fundamentalist Christian myself, I have a number of problems with his "inappropriate" remarks, seeming to promote the assassination of the President of Venezuela. First, like it or not, this nation does not engage in assassination as a matter of national policy. Second, public figures, whether rock stars or televangelists have no business leveraging their media fame into some kind of political punditry that "speaks" for America. They simply aren't equipped. I would hope that Pat and others making high-profile pronouncements would exercise a little care . . .
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Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel said Venezuela was studying its legal options, adding that how Washington responds to Robertson's comments would put its anti-terrorism policy to the test.

"The ball is in the U.S. court, after this criminal statement by a citizen of that country," Rangel told reporters. "It's huge hypocrisy to maintain this discourse against terrorism and at the same time, in the heart of that country, there are entirely terrorist statements like those."
Silly Vice President... doesn't he know that that policy only applies to brown people.
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Pat Robertson is a Charismatic, Fundamentalist Christian, but he does not speak for all people of faith. Quite frankly, in recent years I believe Pat has become a bit unhinged. You can come to your own conclusions about that.

As a Fundamentalist Christian myself, I have a number of problems with his "inappropriate" remarks, seeming to promote the assassination of the President of Venesuela. First, like it or not, this nation does not engage in assassination as a matter of national policy.. . .
I, too, am a part-Catholic and part Evangelical / Fundamentalist Christian myself...and I agree with much of what you say. I have met Robertson......many years ago at a revival....and I agree that some of his positions TODAY (not back then ) are questionable. However, while it is true that American policy is not to engage in assasinations, ( and I agree with that...with maybe Osama Ben Laden as an exception) , IMO Robertson is correct in his assessment that Chavez is a disgrace and unfit for public office. I, for one, would not shed a single tear if somebody knocked him off......like with Yasser Arafat, Saddam Hussein, Kim-Jong-Il, and Slobovan Milosevic, the world will be better off without him.
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One of the most discussed and debated questions in most ethics classes is, "Knowing the suffering and death that would result from his ascension to power, if you had the opportunity to go back to 1932 and assassinate Hitler, would you?"

OK, what about the Sixth Commandment? Is prohibition of murder outweighed by "the greater good"? Is it possible that Hitler could have set the Post-Weimar Republic on a course to recovery and prosperity by other means - that history is not pre-ordained and immutable? Could WWII have been avoided by other means, or was the Spanish Civil War, the taking of Austria and the Sudetenland, and the eventual invasion of Poland necessary to the spiritual and economic recovery of Germany after the ignoble Treaty of Versailles?

It's an interesting exercise . . .
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He's really lost his marbles. Praying for Supreme Court justices to retire or die. Hoping for assassinations. He's a total loon. Having said that, he has the ear of millions of people who respect his opinion no matter how wacked it may be. Someone will take him seriously and carry out his wishes. He should just shut up.
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Pat Robertson is a Charismatic, Fundamentalist Christian, but he does not speak for all people of faith. Quite frankly, in recent years I believe Pat has become a bit unhinged. You can come to your own conclusions about that.

As a Fundamentalist Christian myself, I have a number of problems with his "inappropriate" remarks, seeming to promote the assassination of the President of Venezuela. First, like it or not, this nation does not engage in assassination as a matter of national policy.
If only we did do assassinations that would solve numerous future problems (and past *cough* Bin Laden, Saddam, etc. *cough* Bill stop doing it on the White House Oval Office table and get back to serving as President *cough* ) <--- sorry had to throw that in, burns me. Just like Mr. Robertson was saying. It would not only save us billions of dollars but numerous lifes... face it sooner or later they will attack.

And ebruce2 honeslty saying where you saying that when all the pop stars where giving there political opionions and votes for Kerry?

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One of the most discussed and debated questions in most ethics classes is, "Knowing the suffering and death that would result from his ascension to power, if you had the opportunity to go back to 1932 and assassinate Hitler, would you?"

OK, what about the Sixth Commandment? Is prohibition of murder outweighed by "the greater good"? Is it possible that Hitler could have set the Post-Weimar Republic on a course to recovery and prosperity by other means - that history is not pre-ordained and immutable? Could WWII have been avoided by other means, or was the Spanish Civil War, the taking of Austria and the Sudetenland, and the eventual invasion of Poland necessary to the spiritual and economic recovery of Germany after the ignoble Treaty of Versailles?

It's an interesting exercise . . .
if you look through the Bible....particularly the Old Testament......you find that God often arranged to have evil people knocked off.....or gave the power to certain people to do it. David vs. Goliath is perhaps the best example, but there are MANY more...especially in the book of Kings.

( I'm only bringing this up for historical reasons...I'm not necessarily saying we should do this in the 21st century ) . But is a fact that the world would be better off without some people.
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He's really lost his marbles. Praying for Supreme Court justices to retire or die. Hoping for assassinations. He's a total loon. Having said that, he has the ear of millions of people who respect his opinion no matter how wacked it may be. Someone will take him seriously and carry out his wishes. He should just shut up.
I agree totally.....the dude is a crackpot. Preaching about the ten commandments and then suggesting an assasination in teh same breath.....whatever.
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If only we did do assassinations that would solve numerous future problems (and past *cough* Bin Laden, Saddam, etc. *cough* Bill stop doing it on the White House Oval Office table and get back to serving as President *cough* ) <--- sorry had to throw that in, burns me. Just like Mr. Robertson was saying. It would not only save us billions of dollars but numerous lifes... face it sooner or later they will attack.

And ebruce2 honeslty saying where you saying that when all the pop stars where giving there political opionions and votes for Kerry?

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I don't entirely agree with this but there is a lot of truth in it.
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