MSRP's

2006 GS300 AWD with Nav 49999 (without levinson stereo)

2006 GS300 AWD w/out Nav 47024 (without levinson stereo)

2006 GS430 RWD w/Nav and chrome 58743 (nav and chrome are standard)


The above was posted by someone else in another forum. I can't vouch for the authenticity.

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1176599#post1176512 :)

sounds like very pricey to me :)

Sounds too high... a GS300 AWD I'd estimate at $41-42K??

Sounds too high... a GS300 AWD I'd estimate at $41-42K??

nah the gs3 all wheel drive it has to be around the 50k range. that will put the normal gs3 in the low to mid 40 range. but the price of the gs430 seems to be a bit high imho

Assuming the AWD is loaded, then the price sort of makes sense - Lexus' thinking: if Acura can get away with charging 50K for the RL then so can we.

Assuming the AWD is loaded, then the price sort of makes sense - Lexus' thinking: if Acura can get away with charging 50K for the RL then so can we.

Biker, think $58k+ for a loaded GS430 sounds in line? I was hoping this is at least $3k too much. If this is correct, would you think one could order a GS430 without Nav and/or ML stereo? I know it would take a few months to get, but perhaps worth it to me.

Otherwise, M45 here I come!

At 58k, a GS430 is going to face some stiff competition against the likes of a fully loaded M45, moderately equipped BMW 545 or loaded M3 and a loaded MB C55 AMG. For a couple of thousand north or south of the GS, there are other models worthy of serious consideration. I like the new GS but at 58K with the same 300hp engine, I’m not so sure. :uh: I guess only time will tell how successful Lexus is with the new GS4. For now, I’ll wait on the sideline and enjoy my “paid off” 2nd gen GS4. :)

This is all speculation. Lexus hasn't posted anything yet. We don't even have a base price.

This is all speculation. Lexus hasn't posted anything yet. We don't even have a base price.

Exactly. ;)

I don't know if it's pure speculation. The guy that posted it apparently works at a Lexus dealership in the central region and the prices were sent to the dealership.

So either the prices are correct or the guy is lying.

I don't know if it's pure speculation. The guy that posted it apparently works at a Lexus dealership in the central region and the prices were sent to the dealership.

So either the prices are correct or the guy is lying.
One clue is chrome wheels. I don't think Lexus would chrome, graphite wheels. :)

There was a mention somewhere on here that the GS430 and the GS300AWD models will follow the Acura line of thinking - give it to them fully loaded with no options (maybe NAV in case of the GS300AWD). Again if that's the case, a GS430 with virtually everything that an LS has for 10K less, then it starts to make sense. Since the GS430 is less than 20% of the total GS sales it might make sense for Lexus to throw everything into one model - with that price even the NAV is included and can't be optioned out (think RL again).

One of the reasons the Germans are relatively more expensive is the high amount of customization that is possible - that also costs money. By keeping the models with few configurations Lexus can save some money.

I can hear the salesman now: For just 8K more than the AWD model you can move up to the ultimate GS. :eek2:

Well, I just got absolute confirmation from a very reliable dealer in Ohio that ALL GS430's will come with everything (no chrome to be found though). This includes the spoiler! :thumbdn: I am not happy about that. If you want a GS without a spoiler, you need to get the 300 or 300AWD. Also, this Ohio dealer said the ENTIRE first allotment of cars for his region, about 250 cars, will have only the AWD version of the 300.

No prices yet, but this is not great news for me, since I would probably like the 430 without a spoiler, and not too sure I need NAV package either.

Lastly, full brochures should be out within a week. Let us hear if anybody gets one.

I can understand if it is Acura doing this no-option thing as a way of cost-cutting, given their much limited resources... but Lexus?? :nono: Lexus seems to have forgotten that choice is also a form of luxury. Sigh...:dunno:

Well, I just got absolute confirmation from a very reliable dealer in Ohio that ALL GS430's will come with everything (no chrome to be found though). This includes the spoiler! :thumbdn: I am not happy about that. If you want a GS without a spoiler, you need to get the 300 or 300AWD. Also, this Ohio dealer said the ENTIRE first allotment of cars for his region, about 250 cars, will have only the AWD version of the 300.
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I mentioned this issue in another thread about the M35 AWD. The makers want to push AWD models in northern part of US.
This makes sense for March, but it might be a tougher sell in the middle of August.

Salesman: Sir, this AWD car will handle great in snow (while it is 100F out and the customer is sweating buckets).

Can't imagine chrome would be standard unless it's a delete option. Most folks don't want chrome and some colors don't look worth schit with it.

Unless Lexus changes current policy, factory order is always a possibility but doesn't change the allowable combinations of options. (For instance, I have ML w/o NAV because I ordered it that way and the two were not a mandatory combination in '01.)

As far as prices, remember that it's always "supply and demand" as far as relation to MSRP (which means "manufacturer's SUGGESTED retail price") is concerned. That which is much in demand sometimes goes for more than sticker. That which is nailed to the showroom floor goes for much less.................

i am with "doc" on this one ;) ..as much as Lexus is one of the best cars in the world, msrp is merely a starting (selling) point

i am with "doc" on this one ;) ..as much as Lexus is one of the best cars in the world, msrp is merely a starting (selling) point

Of course we all know MSRP is a starting point, but if the MSRP starts lower, it will end lower, all things being equal. Not likely to get a 58k car for 50k, but you could get a 54k car for 50k....you get my drift.

The anxiety about the new GS price has little to do with supply and demand, since demand is sure to be high for at least 6 months. It is about what is the maximum price (except CA where premiums may abound) one would pay for the car, and does one have to get and pay for a lot of options one does not want or need.

:egads:

Those prices are no joke. I am a big fan of the new GS and I cannot wait for the lease on my current GS3 to be over so I can get the new one (for me, the AWD will be a god send).

But, I hope the prices are a little less than what has been mentioned. Otherwise, I might have to shop a little more than what I was planning.

Unless Lexus changes current policy, factory order is always a possibility but doesn't change the allowable combinations of options. (For instance, I have ML w/o NAV because I ordered it that way and the two were not a mandatory combination in '01.)


Chrome was a forced option on 04-05 GS430 due to the car hitting its final years of production and in order to make the car "more appealing" those extra cost options at one time are "included" as the whole package. I doubt they will do this for the upcoming 06 GS430 since it's a fresh new design.

Apparently some guy on that site said that on the NBC Auto Show coverage, they posted an MSRP for the GS300 at $39,500 when they were talking about the car.

I saw the NBC coverage and you are correct.

I would definitely wait on a more credible source for the MSRP. The original posted prices sound like guesstimates more than anything else.

Fyi, here are the current list numbers for the current GS:

Base: $47975
ML/NAV: $3250
17" chromes: $1915
spoiler: $440
wood wheel: $300

My calculator says $53880........take $1.5k off for no chrome.

Still, we can see that the current model is not out of the ballpark for the mentioned ranges for the 06 if you consider the additional tech (6 spd, adaptive susp, and on like that).
This, in turn, makes those projected prices seem reasonably credible to me, at least for the 430.

But they'll be whatever they are; I just hope they don't hose me too badly when the GT variants come out, since that's likely to be my next car. :uh:

I mentioned this issue in another thread about the M35 AWD. The makers want to push AWD models in northern part of US.
This makes sense for March, but it might be a tougher sell in the middle of August.

Salesman: Sir, this AWD car will handle great in snow (while it is 100F out and the customer is sweating buckets).

Actually it's the other way around! Lexus dealerships get to tell the factory what we want. We do this based on our buyers' feedback. Lexus has even been known to change things based on the "comments" section on a CSI survey from customers!
Here in Southern California we are supposed to get a 70/30 split between RWD and AWD GS300, which I think suits most buyers just fine. This is almost identical to the split we currently get on the RX330 RWD/AWD and Lexus has had no problems selling those. It's our number one selling model nationwide.

This is all speculation. Lexus hasn't posted anything yet. We don't even have a base price.
Your wish is my command........


The GS300 RWD will be $42,900
The GS300 AWD will be $44,850
The GS430 will be $51,125

New Standard features included in base price, but are not limited to:
Heated Leather Seats with Memory
Smart Entry with Push Start Button
In Dash 6 Disc Changer
Projector Type HID Headlamps
Knee Airbags
Wood Steering Wheel and Shift Knob
17" Wheels on V6, 18" on V8
0-60 on the GS430 is 5.7 sec!!!!!

VDIM...Vehicle Dynamics Integrated management system is standard on the GS430. It is the MOST advanced active safety system in the world. Besides controlling braking and traction of each wheel - like VSC does - it adjust the AVS suspension and the all new electronic power steering with variable gear ratio steering (VGRS). All these components work together to produce an incredibly seamless stability enhancement system.

Mark Levinson 7.1 Discrete Surround DVD Audio...This optional system features 14 speakers and an 11 channel amplifier to reproduce sound quality like no car audio ever before.

The GS RWD and AWD have an all new V6 engine with the first application of direct fuel injection and dual VVT-i that acts on both intake and exhaust vavles. The result is more power, a wide torque range, and with the 6 speed transmission and other inhancements, a considerable 20% FUEL ECONOMY IMPROVEMENT.

Also for the first time, Intuitive Park Assist incorporates a Steering Sensitive Clearance Sonar, and the Pre-Collision System (PSC) includes active braking.




If you are on a waiting list, I urge you to stay in contact with your local Lexus dealer for color selction/option selection. Tomorrow they are supposed to release the actual packages, availabiltiy/firm pricing. Full brochures will arrive at dealerships on Feb 21.

Your wish is my command........
oh yeah????? :D :eek2:

You can always count on Longo for credible info! ;) You can thank Elizabeth for those Lexus issued preliminary color charts and trim color and style photos from a few months ago of the 06 GS. ;)

Your wish is my command........


The GS300 RWD will be $42,900
The GS300 AWD will be $44,850
The GS430 will be $51,125

New Standard features included in base price include, but are not limited to:
Heated Leather Seats with Memory
Smart Entry with Push Start Button
In Dash 6 Disc Changer
Projector Type HID Headlamps
Knee Airbags
Wood Steering Wheel and Shift Knob
17" Wheels on V6, 18" on V8
0-60 on the GS430 is 5.7 sec!!!!!


Nice. It looks like the price gap between the GS and the M is only about $2000-$3000. Lexus has established enough prestige to command that kind of premium over Infiniti.

Thanks, Longo!! Do you by chance know if the headlights are bixenons???

This makes waiting for the GT that much harder.......... :thumbup:

Guys, dont worry...im going to the houston auto show this friday...heck - you all can even see me on the live webcam...loll I will make the "product specialist" spill the pricing information and get the details on whether the spoiler is standard on GS430's or not. Many of local lexus dealer representatives will be coming to it as well because it is the first time the vehicle will be seen in "cold blood" ...meaning it will be the first display of the new GS to have ever been shown in Texas.

Im definitely going to take some pictures and give you guys the 411 asap when I get back from the autoshow.

My dealer has confirmed that he will have a couple of GS3's on his showroom floor by mid february.

Your wish is my command........


The GS300 RWD will be $42,900
The GS300 AWD will be $44,850
The GS430 will be $51,125

New Standard features included in base price, but are not limited to:
Heated Leather Seats with Memory
Smart Entry with Push Start Button
In Dash 6 Disc Changer
Projector Type HID Headlamps
Knee Airbags
Wood Steering Wheel and Shift Knob
17" Wheels on V6, 18" on V8
0-60 on the GS430 is 5.7 sec!!!!!

VDIM...Vehicle Dynamics Integrated management system is standard on the GS430. It is the MOST advanced active safety system in the world. Besides controlling braking and traction of each wheel - like VSC does - it adjust the AVS suspension and the all new electronic power steering with variable gear ratio steering (VGRS). All these components work together to produce an incredibly seamless stability enhancement system.

Mark Levinson 7.1 Discrete Surround DVD Audio...This optional system features 14 speakers and an 11 channel amplifier to reproduce sound quality like no car audio ever before.

The GS RWD and AWD have an all new V6 engine with the first application of direct fuel injection and dual VVT-i that acts on both intake and exhaust vavles. The result is more power, a wide torque range, and with the 6 speed transmission and other inhancements, a considerable 20% FUEL ECONOMY IMPROVEMENT.

Also for the first time, Intuitive Park Assist incorporates a Steering Sensitive Clearance Sonar, and the Pre-Collision System (PSC) includes active braking.




If you are on a waiting list, I urge you to stay in contact with your local Lexus dealer for color selction/option selection. Tomorrow they are supposed to release the actual packages, availabiltiy/firm pricing. Full brochures will arrive at dealerships on Feb 21.



Wow, these are very attractive prices! Thanks for the info Elizabeth!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

Your wish is my command........


The GS300 RWD will be $42,900
The GS300 AWD will be $44,850
The GS430 will be $51,125

New Standard features included in base price, but are not limited to:
Heated Leather Seats with Memory
Smart Entry with Push Start Button
In Dash 6 Disc Changer
Projector Type HID Headlamps
Knee Airbags
Wood Steering Wheel and Shift Knob
17" Wheels on V6, 18" on V8
0-60 on the GS430 is 5.7 sec!!!!!


I guess wood is standard after all! That's a good thing.

Now bring on the option packages!

Guys, dont worry...im going to the houston auto show this friday...heck - you all can even see me on the live webcam...loll I will make the "product specialist" spill the pricing information and get the details on whether the spoiler is standard on GS430's or not.

Product Specialst probably means "actor" aka "model" for the show. ;) I am pretty confident that Elizabeth will have more info on the cars than they would. :D

Thanks, Longo!! Do you by chance know if the headlights are bixenons???

This makes waiting for the GT that much harder.......... :thumbup:
What are "bixenons" and what do they do????

Longo lexus:

The GS300 RWD will be $42,900
The GS300 AWD will be $44,850
The GS430 will be $51,125

New Standard features included in base price, but are not limited to:
Heated Leather Seats with Memory
Smart Entry with Push Start Button
In Dash 6 Disc Changer
Projector Type HID Headlamps
Knee Airbags
Wood Steering Wheel and Shift Knob
17" Wheels on V6, 18" on V8
0-60 on the GS430 is 5.7 sec!!!!!




Does this mean the base RWD GS300 will have wood steering and wood shifter standard??????????????????????

What are "bixenons" and what do they do????
He is asking "Will low and high beams be HIDs"?

The reason many car makers don't have high beam HIDs is b/c it takes a few seconds for the HID gas to heat up enough to intensify, so if you flash someone or flick them on/off due to on coming traffic, you wouldn't really use it to its potential as the light would be on/off instead of just on.

if you want to see new e-brochures

http://lexus.gs/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=14#14

He is asking "Will low and high beams be HIDs"?

The reason many car makers don't have high beam HIDs is b/c it takes a few seconds for the HID gas to heat up enough to intensify, so if you flash someone or flick them on/off due to on coming traffic, you wouldn't really use it to its potential as the light would be on/off instead of just on.
Ahhh, okay. It doesn't say that anywhere on the information I have so I will have to get back to you on that one.

I guess wood is standard after all! That's a good thing.

Now bring on the option packages!
Yes, it appears that wood is on all three GS models this year.

does the stereo play mp3s?

does the stereo play mp3s?
It hasn't been officially stated, but I doubt it since everyone would already know about it, no?

Those are Canadian e-brochures. From the interior dimension specs, it looks like it'll have less room than the M and slightly more room than the RL.

Wonder if we'll get the passenger memory seat here too.

Any idea when the new Gs will be buildable via lexus.com?
Bring on the fun!

how about ventilated seats that heat and cool?

pls send me an e-mail once packages and final color options are in.

pls send me an e-mail once packages and final color options are in.
You got it.
:)

He is asking "Will low and high beams be HIDs"?

The reason many car makers don't have high beam HIDs is b/c it takes a few seconds for the HID gas to heat up enough to intensify, so if you flash someone or flick them on/off due to on coming traffic, you wouldn't really use it to its potential as the light would be on/off instead of just on.

Cars that have bi-xenon headlights use the inside pair of halogens as the high beam flash.

BTW, here's a silly question. If you go to the lexus.com site and build a GS300, it says the base price is $38,875 and delivery is $650. The first page of the configuration tool lists "optional packages," but I can't choose "none." So does that mean the lowest price one could configure the car for is with the cheapest "optional package"?

I ask that because if it's true, I wonder if Lexus is playing the same game with the new prices. Base price is $X, but because you have to get at least one package, real base price is actually $X+Y.

If you go to the lexus.com site and build a GS300, it says the base price is $38,875 and delivery is $650. The first page of the configuration tool lists "optional packages," but I can't choose "none." So does that mean the lowest price one could configure the car for is with the cheapest "optional package"?

I ask that because if it's true, I wonder if Lexus is playing the same game with the new prices. Base price is $X, but because you have to get at least one package, real base price is actually $X+Y.
Yes, all car manufacturers do this, not just Lexus. However, in 2005 the options were leather w/ memory, heated front seats, cargo mat, trunk mat, wheel lock for an MSRP of $41,794.
In 2006 the leather w/ memory and heated seats are standard for a MSRP of $42,900. Pretty good price point if you ask me!

Elizabeth...can u please email me any new information you receive about colors/ pricing/packages/and options. Do you know if there will only be full packages available or also individual options?

We've been told that the 18 inch rims will be optional on the RWD GS300. Do you know how much approximately they will cost?


One final word...

Im in the hunt for a silver or flint mica (if this color is available) RWD GS300 with wood steering and wood shifter. Do you think my driveout price, out the door will be $45,000 or under?


Thanks so much.

Akber rmani_ax@yahoo.com

42900 (base price) + 650 for destination + 8.25% tax = 47142 so u won't be getting it under 45k

Longo Lexus:
However, in 2005 the options were leather w/ memory, heated front seats, cargo mat, trunk mat, wheel lock for an MSRP of $41,794.
In 2006 the leather w/ memory and heated seats are standard for a MSRP of $42,900.



Lexus could still make you select an option taking the base price to the X+Y equation, as the member opointed out. Even though the leather seats are std for 2006, they could still make us select another option taking the base price higher. How do we know the base of the car will in fact be the base that is quoted, and not the X+Y equation? Do we know for sure lexus is not playing that game again?

Infiniti and BMW let you get a car with zero options. Dunno about Audi or MB.

Acura, of course, only offers cars loaded to the gills.

Oh crap...i forgot about the dam destination charges...lol UGH i hate paying taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think my dealership can work it out with me. Its only a 2k dollar difference. lol wishful thinking? My budget was to stay right at 45,000 after taxes and fees. If not, I may consider just leasing the vehicle. Probably a 3 yr lease. or hell, if my dealership is a turd about 2k freakin dollars, then ill just give in and still buy the car and sign the paperwork and be out of there...lol just drivign my new baby around houston.


woohoo! i cant wait

Infiniti and BMW let you get a car with zero options. Dunno about Audi or MB.

Acura, of course, only offers cars loaded to the gills.

Audi and MB do, as does Acura.

Akbergq,

I will be posting more information as it comes in so stay tuned!

Also, I strongly urge you to stay in contact with your local Texas dealer as it would be unfair for me to tell you what you can buy it for nor do I know what packages are going to Texas. Good luck as I'm sure it will all work out for you.

And to everyone else, as always please pm me with questions you do not want the whole world to read.
:)

Oh crap...i forgot about the dam destination charges...lol UGH i hate paying taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think my dealership can work it out with me. Its only a 2k dollar difference. lol wishful thinking? My budget was to stay right at 45,000 after taxes and fees. If not, I may consider just leasing the vehicle. Probably a 3 yr lease. or hell, if my dealership is a turd about 2k freakin dollars, then ill just give in and still buy the car and sign the paperwork and be out of there...lol just drivign my new baby around houston.


woohoo! i cant wait

What sucks about the South and Southeast region, you pay more for a Lexus or Toyota than any part of the country that is serviced directly by Toyota Motor Sales USA. Gulf States Toyota and South East Toyota serviced areas get shafted with "forced" port packages unfortunately.

Nice. It looks like the price gap between the GS and the M is only about $2000-$3000. Lexus has established enough prestige to command that kind of premium over Infiniti.
They are not commanding anything - sick already pointed out why the M is 2K cheaper - platform/drivetrain whoring.

What sucks about the South and Southeast region, you pay more for a Lexus or Toyota than any part of the country that is serviced directly by Toyota Motor Sales USA. Gulf States Toyota and South East Toyota serviced areas get shafted with "forced" port packages unfortunately.
Buy out of region?

Is there a dealer, like Grubbs for Infiniti, that will sell nation wide with a fixed shipping charge?

They are not commanding anything - sick already pointed out why the M is 2K cheaper - platform/drivetrain whoring.

End result: The GS has a $2000-$3000 premium over the M. Sharing platform/engine does not make a car inferior. It saves the company money, some of which is passed on to consumers in the form of reduced prices.

Lexus commands the premium and people will still buy not because the GS platform is shared less with other cars, but because of the Lexus prestige and cachet.

End result: The GS has a $2000-$3000 premium over the M. Sharing platform/engine does not make a car inferior. It saves the company money, some of which is passed on to consumers in the form of reduced prices.

Lexus commands the premium and people will still buy not because the GS platform is shared less with other cars, but because of the Lexus prestige and cachet.

I cannot 100% agree with this. Yes, the Lexus prestige and panache does count but the GS has some additional pluses
1. Resale value, which is very important to luxury car buyers. The current M45 is so bad, its going to hurt the new M35/45. The GS has held well.
2. Build quality. The car mags have commented already, the interior is much improved but not to BMW/Benz/Lexus standards.
3. Rarity. The engine is the heart of a car. The GS engines are more rare. Period. You cannot pull up at a wal-mart and have a Toyota Sienna pop its hood and its the same engine (Quest/M35). It may not matter to you but surely salesman will use this to their advantage (and not saying the VQ is bad, its one of the best engines ever)
4. The most reliable car in its class.
5. The best dealer network and customer satisfaction ratings (true Infiniti is right behind but its still behind).
6. Mark Levinson ownsz Bose. :)

I cannot think of what else. But there are reasons the GS will be bought besides "its a Lexus factor".
I think the Infiniti M35/45 will be pushed by salesman as having more HP, more HP and more HP. It won't make sense taking people 60mph around corners as most of these people won't drive like that. They will also push the new interior and the options list (the rear t.v was a splendid idea since so many people add that feature or have it in their vans/SUVs). Then they will push the lower price.

I tell you what, this is a DAMN good time to be able to buy either car. :thumbup:

I tell you what, this is a DAMN good time to be able to buy either car. :thumbup:

Amen! I have been thinking that the last 2 months. I will be in the market for one of these cars, having ruled out all the competition. Not only do I feel fortunate to be able to buy one of these great cars, but I also feel fortunate to be able to take my time, since I own my current car (2003 G35 Coupe) and am not coming off a lease.

I will closely monitor CL and Freshalloy and take into account early owner comments/criticisms. It will be hard to wait after I have test driven the cars, but I will live vicariously through the enormous feedback both CL and Freshalloy is sure to generate. By the end of 2005, I will own one of them, not sure if it will be June or December though.

I love this country! :)

I cannot 100% agree with this. Yes, the Lexus prestige and panache does count but the GS has some additional pluses
1. Resale value, which is very important to luxury car buyers. The current M45 is so bad, its going to hurt the new M35/45. The GS has held well.
2. Build quality. The car mags have commented already, the interior is much improved but not to BMW/Benz/Lexus standards.
3. Rarity. The engine is the heart of a car. The GS engines are more rare. Period. You cannot pull up at a wal-mart and have a Toyota Sienna pop its hood and its the same engine (Quest/M35). It may not matter to you but surely salesman will use this to their advantage (and not saying the VQ is bad, its one of the best engines ever)
4. The most reliable car in its class.
5. The best dealer network and customer satisfaction ratings (true Infiniti is right behind but its still behind).
6. Mark Levinson ownsz Bose. :)

I cannot think of what else. But there are reasons the GS will be bought besides "its a Lexus factor".
I think the Infiniti M35/45 will be pushed by salesman as having more HP, more HP and more HP. It won't make sense taking people 60mph around corners as most of these people won't drive like that. They will also push the new interior and the options list (the rear t.v was a splendid idea since so many people add that feature or have it in their vans/SUVs). Then they will push the lower price.

I tell you what, this is a DAMN good time to be able to buy either car. :thumbup:

I do agree that the GS has other things going for it than prestige, but...

1) I don't agree necessarily. The G and the FX have class leading resale. I don't think the current M45, which they sold about 300 per month, willl have an effect.

2) That is what ONE mag said. Another mag said "Matte rosewood trim or aluminum swoop and sweep across the M's intstrument panel in a design purportedly inspired by a piano keyboard. Nissan's cost cutters did not show up for this particular recital, so the cabin materials, if not best in class (Audi), are on par with Mercedes and superior to Cadillac."

3) As we've discussed b4, we're just not going to come to an agreement on this. I'd rather have the less "rare" Avalon 3.5 engine than the more "rare" GS 3.0 engine.

4) Probably.

5) Yeah.

6) In general, I think Bose is crap. But the M sound system has gotten rave reviews, with mags saying that "it has to be heard to be believed." No doubt the ML will be good too.

The GS seems like it's a more luxurious car, while the M seems sportier. It is a good time to be shopping.

I It is a good time to be shopping.
Amen brother! :thumbup:

End result: The GS has a $2000-$3000 premium over the M. Sharing platform/engine does not make a car inferior. It saves the company money, some of which is passed on to consumers in the form of reduced prices.

Lexus commands the premium and people will still buy not because the GS platform is shared less with other cars, but because of the Lexus prestige and cachet.

Well, GS seems to be better equipped to start with. However once you get into either car you will be able to see how it feels and drives. Pictures dont do any of Lexus interior enough justice.

GS is an good deal compared to old GS, in fact it is an steal compared to old GS so the prices is good.

Well, GS seems to be better equipped to start with.


This is true. GS comes standard with HID. It also has memory passenger seat and vertical adjustments on the passenger seat.

This is true. GS comes standard with HID. It also has memory passenger seat and vertical adjustments on the passenger seat.

what is vertical adjustments?

what is vertical adjustments?

Seat height adjustment? I thought the GS already had vertical adjustments for the passenger seat. That should be nothing new. The 3 setting memory seat and also including the passenger side is definitely new.

Seat height adjustment? I thought the GS already had vertical adjustments for the passenger seat. That should be nothing new. The 3 setting memory seat and also including the passenger side is definitely new.

are there power headrests?

I can understand if it is Acura doing this no-option thing as a way of cost-cutting, given their much limited resources... but Lexus?? :nono: Lexus seems to have forgotten that choice is also a form of luxury. Sigh...:dunno:
The 300 awd is going to be close to 50k and on man told me that he was axually going to mail me the prices for all three models, so it should be here around statuary or Tuesday, It really should be interesting, it’s going to include the specifications and the prices and the MPG. I will let you guys know when it comes.

The GS300 RWD will be $42,900
The GS300 AWD will be $44,850
The GS430 will be $51,125


Jarrett, did you not read this already on page 2? $50k for an GS300 AWD? Sounds like markup to me.

$50k for a LOADED AWD GS300 sounds about right if the BASE is $44,850. We need to be clear when talking price about BASE or LOADED. I can definitely see MSRP of a LOADED AWD GS300 being $50,000 plus or minus $500.

I can definitely see MSRP of a LOADED AWD GS300 being $50,000 plus or minus $500.

We will have to wait and see.

Jarrett, did you not read this already on page 2? $50k for an GS300 AWD? Sounds like markup to me.

Unless the cheapest mandatory package is $5k...

Unless the cheapest mandatory package is $5k...

That would have to depend on region.

That would have to depend on region.

It'd only depend on region if you only buy cars off the lot and Lexus decides to send cars equipped only a certain way to that region.

I'm a fan of special ordering your car. That way you choose exactly what you want. I guess it's a decision more pertinent to German than Japanese cars, though.

I'm a fan of special ordering your car. That way you choose exactly what you want. I guess it's a decision more pertinent to German than Japanese cars, though.

Yeah I would have to agree with you on that. I know if I ever buy a MB or BMW, i would do that program to fly into Germany and drive it around before it gets shipped here.

Yeah I would have to agree with you on that. I know if I ever buy a MB or BMW, i would do that program to fly into Germany and drive it around before it gets shipped here.

European Delivery. Great program, but you do have to wait longer, and you have to pay for your car in full a month before redelivery. So there are certainly benefits, but there are also drawbacks. I'm more a fan of just "regular" special ordering, but I hear you on doing ED. And I agree with others that Lexus and the others would do well to offer a Japanese Delivery. I guess it wouldn't make AS much sense since they don't exist in Japan as Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, but hopefully now that Lexus is starting up there they will in the near future.

And there aren't very many "long stretches" to enjoy your Lexus vehicle compared to lets say the European Delivery of a MB or BMW. I still would jump on the opportunity to drive my Lexus from it's homeland if that were ever the case! :thumbup:

And there aren't very many "long stretches" to enjoy your Lexus vehicle compared to lets say the European Delivery of a MB or BMW. I still would jump on the opportunity to drive my Lexus from it's homeland if that were ever the case! :thumbup:

It would definitely be a strong incentive to buy a new MkII IS350 'vert, especially if it weren't a hardtop and it drives better than the competition.

I wonder if Lexus would consider it if we started a petition... Anyone? :thumbup:

And there aren't very many "long stretches" to enjoy your Lexus vehicle compared to lets say the European Delivery of a MB or BMW. I still would jump on the opportunity to drive my Lexus from it's homeland if that were ever the case! :thumbup:
Just one small problem - Lexus could never do that cause your US spec Lexus wouldn't be allowed on the roads in Japan.
Yes, that strech of Autobahn from the Munich factory down towards the mountains is a nice bonus for BMW ED buyers. :cool:

Just one small problem - Lexus could never do that cause your US spec Lexus wouldn't be allowed on the roads in Japan.
Yes, that strech of Autobahn from the Munich factory down towards the mountains is a nice bonus for BMW ED buyers. :cool:

They could build a small test track where they allow JD buyers to drive, a Japanese version of the 'ring, perhaps. They could provide a tour of the Lexus factories in Japan, the museum (if they have one), and maybe a meeting with some corporate higher-ups where they discuss upcoming models or whatever. It can be done, and should, in some shape or form. Or maybe they can petition the Japanese government to allow special tourist DL's for LHD cars... :D

[QUOTE=biker]Just one small problem - Lexus could never do that cause your US spec Lexus wouldn't be allowed on the roads in Japan.
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Any particular reason why this is the case? I have a few friends in Japan (Some military while others US civilians working on military bases) that shipped their US designated cars up to Japan and have been driving it there for years now. Some of them enter local Japanese car shows and pretty much do everything with their cars up there. Seriously, I don't know how it works and maybe the military connection has something to do with it, but I wasn't aware you couldn't drive US spec cars on Japanese roads.

[QUOTE=biker]Just one small problem - Lexus could never do that cause your US spec Lexus wouldn't be allowed on the roads in Japan.
QUOTE]
Any particular reason why this is the case? I have a few friends in Japan (Some military while others US civilians working on military bases) that shipped their US designated cars up to Japan and have been driving it there for years now. Some of them enter local Japanese car shows and pretty much do everything with their cars up there. Seriously, I don't know how it works and maybe the military connection has something to do with it, but I wasn't aware you couldn't drive US spec cars on Japanese roads.
The only reason those folks can drive their cars there is because of special agreement. You need special permission to drive a LHD drive in Japan (or any RHD drive country for that matter) - same reason you don't see any LHD cars in the US (technically you could have one in the US, but it is cost prohibitive except in some very rare cases - antiques)

They could build a small test track where they allow JD buyers to drive, a Japanese version of the 'ring, perhaps. They could provide a tour of the Lexus factories in Japan, the museum (if they have one), and maybe a meeting with some corporate higher-ups where they discuss upcoming models or whatever. It can be done, and should, in some shape or form. Or maybe they can petition the Japanese government to allow special tourist DL's for LHD cars... :D
Yeah, that would be cool. If one really wanted to, it would be easy enough to just take a JDM GS for a test drive from some dealer near the factory and call it good. Trying to follow some NAV talking to you in Japanese might be tough tho..... :eek2:

".....same reason you don't see any LHD cars in the US......"

My car is LHD, my wife's car is LHD, and so is essentially every other car on the road in the US (except the US Postal Service mail delivery vans).

biker, I think you have us confused with another country........

:ban:

-ADMINISTRATION.

Just one small problem - Lexus could never do that cause your US spec Lexus wouldn't be allowed on the roads in Japan.
Yes, that strech of Autobahn from the Munich factory down towards the mountains is a nice bonus for BMW ED buyers. :cool:

And how do you know this for a fact? I think not. There are importers in Japan that sell US spec vehicles in Japan. They have many ads in many Japanese publications i.e. VIP CAR, Option and etc selling used US Left Hand Drive imported vehicles i.e Toyota Sequoia, Toyota 4Runner, several Lexus models and many Nissan/Infiniti models that are only exclusive to the North American market.

http://www.xclusiv.jp/

Consider them the MotoRex equivalent in Japan, but for US Spec Japanese luxury cars.

".....same reason you don't see any LHD cars in the US......"

My car is LHD, my wife's car is LHD, and so is essentially every other car on the road in the US (except the US Postal Service mail delivery vans).

biker, I think you have us confused with another country........
oops, I meant RHD.

And how do you know this? There are importers in Japan that sell US spec vehicles in Japan. They have many ads in many Japanese publications i.e. VIP CAR, Option and etc selling used US Left Hand Drive imported vehicles i.e Toyota Sequoia, Toyota 4Runner, Toyota Sienna, several Lexus models and many Nissan models that are only exclusive to the North American market. Please don't talk about things you have no clue on.
Because I might get transfered to Tokyo and looked into already. Without more hassles than it's worth (compared to ED), you won't be able to drive a US spec car in Japan.

Because I might get transfered to Tokyo and looked into already. Without more hassles than it's worth (compared to ED), you won't be able to drive a US spec car in Japan.

Re-read my post above. You're still story telling.

Re-read my post above. You're still story telling.
I can story tell just as good as any one else. :cool:

You're probably right and I can safely say, and most everyone will agree, you can reserve all your stories in the Clubhouse and Car Chat. While we continue discussing the 06 GS with intrinsic value. :D

wondering, will the awd GS be compared to infinity G35x? its look like its in the same market but like a 5k difference in price

wondering, will the awd GS be compared to infinity G35x? its look like its in the same market but like a 5k difference in price
Not at all. AWD GS 300 competition head on is
1. Acura RL (SH AWD standard)
2. Audi A6 (AWD standard)
3. BMW 530Xi (coming this summer) AWD
3. Infiniti M35 AWD
4. Mercedes Benz E320 4matic.

wondering, will the awd GS be compared to infinity G35x? its look like its in the same market but like a 5k difference in price

1sick is right :D

well if there's any response to G35x from Lexus it'll be the next IS300 with AWD. GS and G35 is not in the same class.

oh my b i wansnt even thinking about that M45 car. my bad

Is it me or does the new pricing on the GS 300 RWD seem a little bit high?
I leased a '98 (when it first came out) loaded; xenon, navigation, rr spoiler, all options, for $615/month, 3 yr. lease, $2500 drive offs. Car sticker was around 42k (final price was around 39k) - from Longo. The GS400 back then was only $52 or so loaded. I was thinking all this time (I have been waiting for this car to come out) that I would be able to get the new car "very well equiped" (w/Levinson) for around $45k, not $50k!
I sold my '98 after having it for only 2 1/2 years (I actually made money on it!), and I've wished I never did since then! I have been in the market for the past 6-8 months for a new car and decided to wait for the new GS, but now it's looking like I may have to look for something else :sad:
I'm bummed :cry:
I know the car is very technologically advanced, and there is inflation (since '98), but $50k puts it a bit out of my reach........unless they have a 60% residual value with a killer lease payment option! I won't give up yet, but l would like to hear if others are feeling the same way!
Thanks.

Is it me or does the new pricing on the GS 300 RWD seem a little bit high?


Not really because 15 years ago, the LS400 started at $35k. It's now 2005 and it's sticker hovers in the mid $60 range for the nicely equipped UL package.

Is it me or does the new pricing on the GS 300 RWD seem a little bit high?
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For a car in general yes, compared to the direct competition no.

For a car in general yes, compared to the direct competition no.

It's not like you planned to buy one correct?

As much as I would love to get a great bang for your buck car in this midsize Luxuxy Sedan segment, the reality is this is going to be an expensive car (even if just a GS300).

Lexus will start off with a fairly competitive base price, however the options will be most expensive and to even get decent availability of a GS, you sort of have to live with mandatory options (unless you are super patient and can wait months for your stripped down GS). Most people would settle for ML AUDIO / NAV package, simply because it's more readily available? There will be mandatory options that you just can't get the car without (at least a premium package).

Lexus probably thinks that if you are buying a Lexus GS, you want all the amentiies that come with it, so why build a base GS that is stripped and they don't make as much money on?

I guess the price has to just keep up with the prestige that Lexus garners at this time.

I want the GS300 AWD version and know they will come fully loaded with ML AUDIO / NAV, etc..., so it'll top $50K, which is seems very high for a GS300, but compared to what else is out there, it's still lower cost than its German Counterparts.

lexus might be able to command these price hikes depending on how the car performs on the track.. maybe lexus will surprise us with excellent test numbers.. we did see that GS test driver with HUGE grin :D

Is it me or does the new pricing on the GS 300 RWD seem a little bit high?
I leased a '98 (when it first came out) loaded; xenon, navigation, rr spoiler, all options, for $615/month, 3 yr. lease, $2500 drive offs. Car sticker was around 42k (final price was around 39k) - from Longo. The GS400 back then was only $52 or so loaded. I was thinking all this time (I have been waiting for this car to come out) that I would be able to get the new car "very well equiped" (w/Levinson) for around $45k, not $50k!
I sold my '98 after having it for only 2 1/2 years (I actually made money on it!), and I've wished I never did since then! I have been in the market for the past 6-8 months for a new car and decided to wait for the new GS, but now it's looking like I may have to look for something else :sad:
I'm bummed :cry:
I know the car is very technologically advanced, and there is inflation (since '98), but $50k puts it a bit out of my reach........unless they have a 60% residual value with a killer lease payment option! I won't give up yet, but l would like to hear if others are feeling the same way!
Thanks.
First welcome to Clublexus.
2nd, Lexus does not need to enter value pricing as its products and the GS has proved to be at or near the top of the class. Yes, the 2nd gen was a great buy (the outgoing GS 300 was as much as the new GS 400) but Lexus had to be very aggresive, since the GS failed the 1st time around and really needed to shake things up. And you did get an equivilent package to the Germans.
I see Infiniti going that route now, trying to penetrate the market with its new cars, trying to sway buyers with great pricing.
Lexus has now proven its products are worth the asking price. With the GS you are getting one of the finest cars built. Period. It blends everything together well and you get top quality and dealer service to boot.
The yen is also trading unfavorably as of late, this surely had something to do with the price hike.
Lexus maybe more $$$$ than the M35/45 but still less than the Germans. And that is who Lexus has been aiming for. You don't aim for the new kid on the block. :) The Acura RL is a couple dollars from 50k.

If anything I noticed, Audi and Lexus pricing is very similar.

Thanks for all of your replies to my comments.
I agree with everything you have all said. I guess I was just hoping I could buy another GS for close to the same as the outgoing GS. It is and will continue to be a great car with as far as I'm concerned, a leg up on the Germans at a great value. Although, at $49 for a loaded GS3, it's almost right there with a well equipped 5 series now.....which before, it carried about 5k less than the closest competitor in it's class. I'm not looking for arguments to that comment.....I'm just saying.......I know the advantages and "tech goodies" that Lexus is bringing to the table this year with the new GS.
I was planning on buying one by the way........and I still just might! (Despite the $$ increase!) It promises to be a great car once again.
Thanks again! :)

The price differenece:

2005 GS300 RWD

BASE 38,875.00
Delvry, processing, handling 650.00
Minimum leather seats package 1660.00 (pretty much cannot buy a car without this)

Total Price - MSRP of base car 41,185.00 + TTL



2006 GS300 RWD

BASE 42,900.00
Delvry, processing, handling 650.00
Minimum premium package 2435.00 (pretty much cannot buy a car withouht this)

Total Price - MSRP of base car 45,985.00 + TTL



$4800.00 price jump of base RWD car.


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(Im 15th in line for tthe new GS)

Not bad. They should be able to sell like hotcakes.

Anybody have a nice quote on a Loaded GS3AWD?

Thanks!

does the stereo play mp3s?
No MP3 player, I asked 2 different reps from HQ, but the Mark Levinson is a DVD sound system this year so you should be able to play movies, but most likely the parking brake will have to be on. Or you can upgrade to Satellite Radio.

how about ventilated seats that heat and cool?

pls send me an e-mail once packages and final color options are in.
Yes, heated and air-conditioned seats are on the car.

are there power headrests?
Yes, the driver side has a power headrest whcih moves automatically when you move the seat.. In addition, it also has a manual 4 way function, not just up/down. It seems very comfortable.

I got this pics from another forum. The thread was about what the Infiniti M35/45 coped and if you look, the damn lower front bumper is identical to the 5 series. But all car makers take from one another so its not like this is a 1st. Look
http://response.jp/issue/2004/0807/article62785_2.images/70569.jpg http://response.jp/issue/2004/1215/article66377_1.images/77710.jpg http://response.jp/issue/2003/0709/article52280_1.images/53784.jpg http://www.nissannews.com/multimedia/infiniti2006/infiniti_m/800/39_2006_infiniti_m.jpg

Yes, the driver side has a power headrest whcih moves automatically when you move the seat.. In addition, it also has a manual 4 way function, not just up/down. It seems very comfortable.

Hmm. how does it move automatically? When you adjust the seat height? Can you please explain I am realy interested in how it works.
Do you have the controls for it?

Hmm. how does it move automatically? When you adjust the seat height? Can you please explain I am realy interested in how it works.
Do you have the controls for it?
When you move the seat back, the headrest automatically goes up. We currently have this feature on the LS430.

When you move the seat back, the headrest automatically goes up. We currently have this feature on the LS430.

yup that's correct, i noticed it on the ls430. makes sense, coz' if your legs are long enough to move the seat so far back, you better have that long of a body too :)

Perhaps I'm being a bit thick at the moment, but the pricing 1SickLex posted (http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149030) has me a bit confused–

Is VDIM available on the GS3's? The post says it's standard on the GS430, but doesn't say anything about the GS3's
It appears according to the list that the park assist is included in the prem. pack-equipped GS3 pricing; the 'fully loaded' pricing adds the nav/ML and the park assist again...am i missing something, is the 'fully loaded' pricing $500 too high, or is one of the park assist listings supposed to be something else (like the backup camera)?

Thanks

VDIM is only on the 430. And you are right about the Park Assist being inlcuded twice. You have sharp eyes, sorry about the typo error.

there was a reference to an active cruise control; I'm assuming it slows the car down if you come on a slower car and ramps back up when it clears.

Ignore - got my answer on some other posts.

Hey Liz do you know if GS will have rear seats controls?

I was inside of new M today and if you get the car with Rear Entertainment System you also get new armrest for rear seats with controls for DVD, climate, seats reclining and heating.
That's a very neat feautre. I didn't even knew they offered that until I saw it today.

U know..i really think its BS how lexus advertises a product like the GS that starts at 42,900. But when you go to buy that product, you cannot because you find out that the chances of finding that product for that particular price point you came infor (42,900) in the first place for is virtually 0, thats just false advertising. This is the only thing im disapointed with about lexus. I know some other brands do this as well, but for Lexus to do this is something I would not expect. Accepting the fact that is clearly says "STARTING AT" on placards and other price displays, to the person interested in buying that or another product for that matter would still expect to be able to buy that because it does say that the vehicle is available to be bought for 42,900...does it not?. When a company - for example says that "Televisions starting at 25.00 and up", you go to the retail outlet or online...whatever means of getting that product and expect to be able to buy that 25.00 tv. Now whatever features and options are offered in that price is insignificant...it has nothing to do with that - you go in to get the tv that is for 25.00. Whether or not you like the tv or not is a separate entity altogether but the place that says they have a tv that starts at that price better have it...dont you think? No where does it say it must be ordered thru special means in being able to get that very 25 dollar tv....where does it say that?

Going to the dealership, for this new GS for 42,900, and finding out that it IS NOT possible to get that car unless you wait 5 months to custom order it..bla bla bla....why dont you specify that on the price point somewhere?. Why was it not specified on your product price plan? So that advertising it like that and making it attractive by keeping the car price "low" and have people come in the dealership all excited..."wow a new 06 GS for 42,900..only a thousand bucks higher than the previous model? Um - i dont know about you but thats false advertising to me and to the average consumer.

I expressed my thoughts on this with a general sales manager of one of the area dealerships when i was at the autoshow. Not necessarily with the new GS , but on the whole...Would you believe that he agreed and said "i cant really say much about this...its always pretty much been like this for Lexus...but you are right.....I will say this - it is misleading".

I dont know why i didnt bother to share this until now...after having the car price and colors and options decided upon...lol..but i did want to give my opinion on this. I dont know how many others feel the same on this issue as i do.


Just my two cents guys.... you can hate me for writing this about lexus, but it is true no matter how you look at it :)

There's a reason why Lexus and other manufacturers market their vehicles w/a starting price. It's not false advertising because yes you can order it granted you wait for that custom order. Most regions will order the popular option combos. It's very seldom you see a base model car for the base model price. The reason why? Because the average consumer doesn't want that car, they want something with more options. It wouldn't be worth Lexus' time to manufacture base model cars for the .0005% of the consumer market that wants the bare bones minimum base model car. Of course the car is brand new and has everyone anxious to get one, Lexus isn't going to manufacture vehicles that have no options. They will be packaged the way the market demand goes. And the region decides which option packages will be tailored for their particular market.

I understand your frustration akber, but you need to see this in a broad range, from a consumer standpoint and a sellers standpoint. You can't just make these accusations like that. You are the one that wants the car now, and you want a certain model, but you're not willing to wait for it. You can have one or the other, but with your built up excitement, it seems you want it in your driveway now. I don't blame you for having that anticipation, but you can't blame Lexus for "false advertising" because really it isn't. If you really want that base model car, why even brag about being one of the first in line to get an 06 GS300 at a price you really had no intention of paying for? :confused:

i dont get it, according to your posts, you already ordered the car several times now... whats the deal? Figure out that base price is 46k and voila...

No u understood me wrong... Yes i do want it now..yes i want it in my drieway right now and dont want to wait....yes i did go in initially to get the base rwd....when i found out that premium pkg is really the base car i would have to settle for as of RIGHT NOW with regards to price....i went with that....the fact the salesman im working with is going to try and throw in the ML/NAV for me is just something extra im getting or may get with the premium pkg withouth being charged..If it is goign to end up costing me extra...i will not dish out for it..and just get the premium pkg car. But this is not the point anyway.

Yes, i do understand your point about how manufacturers build according to demand. All of what you said is true with respect to market demand and the most profitable decisions that car companies make are thus yielded from what customers are looking for. I couldn't agree with you more.

Yet the basic question arises is this? If out of 100 ppl 98 want a car that has some options in it rather than no options in it, like you say...which i agree with you as well.. FINE. Advertise the dam car that has those "some options" in it because that is really what the base cars starting price is. This is what i am basically arguing. DONT put a starting price of a vehicle if in fact you know that 1 percent of the segment is goign to buy that and therefore your production ont hat vehicle is goign to be miniscule. Because in fact - WHAT IF you do have a person lookign for that like i stated in my prior post? Yes there is a minute population who will be like this and walk in to find that base car...after all - FINE the vehicle is a brand new 06 redesigned car...and the market will definitely demand for some options in it versus the pathetic amount that want that totally base car...when you came out with the pricing - make sure your pricing equates to your beliefs 100%...NOT 98% . After all - the company put the pricing in there...make it reflective of what the overall market WILL BE ABLE TO BUY. You can't justify to those one or two people who do walk in about that base vehicle that market demands yield production decisions for manufacturers and therefore you wont be able to have that particular car till these demand patterns are not as high. Those people are goign to cuss and walk out.


Im not trying to start an argument with you flip..im a rookie on CL anyway lol

spwolf: i dont get it, according to your posts, you already ordered the car several times now... whats the deal? Figure out that base price is 46k and voila...



Yes i already have the car ordered and already know what i have to pay to drive it out of the dealership. My premises for bringing this pricing issue up was just my TWO CENTS in general about the whole thing. Thats all.

And if you can order it granted you wait for that custom order... why dont you say so when you advertise your price? Why not say this....

2006 RWD GS Starting at 42,900 *





* Special order vehicle. Contact dealer for details.



or somethign similar

And if you can order it granted you wait for that custom order... why dont you say so when you advertise your price? Why not say this....

2006 RWD GS Starting at 42,900 *

* Special order vehicle. Contact dealer for details.

or somethign similar

They sometimes do. Starting at $$$$$...Nicely Equipped or Model Shown @ $$$$$.

Don't forget the $650 destination charge, so the actual base price is $43,550.. :sad: :p

The thing that is really different about Lexus is that the options are different for different regions in the U.S. No other luxury maker does this. For example, I hear that the Mark Levinson is not even available in some central region markets.

Check the very first post of this thread. Those are the prices from a dealer in Ohio. Notice no ML in the GS300. I guess Marketing Research determined that Ohians who buy V6 GS's don't care for such things.

Don't forget the $650 destination charge, so the actual base price is $43,550.. :sad: :p

The thing that is really different about Lexus is that the options are different for different regions in the U.S. No other luxury maker does this. For example, I hear that the Mark Levinson is not even available in some central region markets.

Check the very first post of this thread. Those are the prices from a dealer in Ohio. Notice no ML in the GS300. I guess Marketing Research determined that Ohians who buy V6 GS's don't care for such things.

Re: Central Region. Also no Intuitive Parking Assist available - at least in Central Illinois

I would expect that content is a negotiated thing between Lexus & the dealers or regions. I'm sure their goal is to maximize sales and consideration is given to what sells best in a given area. By bundling certain options it's probably less expensive to build and track during the whole process.

Can any one enlighten us on the process that Lexus and the dealers go through? There's been a lot of discussion on Lexus mandating content but it must be an agreement with all parties based on history.

Hey Liz do you know if GS will have rear seats controls?

I was inside of new M today and if you get the car with Rear Entertainment System you also get new armrest for rear seats with controls for DVD, climate, seats reclining and heating.
That's a very neat feautre. I didn't even knew they offered that until I saw it today.
No it doesn't. We only have it on the Ultra Luxury LS430 right now.

I would expect that content is a negotiated thing between Lexus & the dealers or regions. I'm sure their goal is to maximize sales and consideration is given to what sells best in a given area. By bundling certain options it's probably less expensive to build and track during the whole process.

Can any one enlighten us on the process that Lexus and the dealers go through? There's been a lot of discussion on Lexus mandating content but it must be an agreement with all parties based on history.
Who determines production builds? You do.
Dealer principles attend dealer meetings. They tell the factory what sells and what doesn't. In the high-line segment, people don't want to buy a cloth, no moonroof, base car. The last time Lexus pre-made base cars was in the 1999 RX300. We would get them one at a time. Most dealerships would refuse them. They would sit around for months collecting dust. All the comments on how it's "false advertising" is ridiculous. I would rather have a inventory full of "nicely equipped" that I can sell right away, than a strippy model that can't find a driveway to go home to. Every day a car sits in dealership inventory, it costs money. It's called "flooring expenses". And really, if you are going to spend $45k plus, does a few thousand extra matter so much on things that will benefit you? I'd pay the difference for park assist alone, what a bumper saver.

Who determines production builds? You do.
D And really, if you are going to spend $45k plus, does a few thousand extra matter so much on things that will benefit you? I'd pay the difference for park assist alone, what a bumper saver.

I completely agree. That is why I am somewhat disappointed that IPA is not availble in my area.

I have a feeling Infiniti will not have any problems selling as many 39.9K M35 "base" models as the factory can churn out.

I completely agree. That is why I am somewhat disappointed that IPA is not availble in my area.
It is very early. If demand changes or becomes huge for certain options or in certain areas, Lexus will ramp up production for those items. As of now, they are speculating on what they "think" people want in our country's respective areas.

For instance say for some reason, AWD becomes a hot seller in the south. Lexus will start bringing more GSs down here. And if parking assist becomes an option people want and either it is requested or sold with that option, Lexus will make it more available.

It is very early. If demand changes or becomes huge for certain options or in certain areas, Lexus will ramp up production for those items. As of now, they are speculating on what they "think" people want in our country's respective areas.

For instance say for some reason, AWD becomes a hot seller in the south. Lexus will start bringing more GSs down here. And if parking assist becomes an option people want and either it is requested or sold with that option, Lexus will make it more available.

I'm sure that is true, Lexus will provide what the customer wants. However, I've been anticipating the new GS for such a long time, that I'm not willing to wait :) either for a factory order or for the production to change. The IPA isn't that big of a deal to me, but I would have gladly paid the $500 if it were included.

On the other hand, I'm somewhat amibivalent about the ML sound system. I would have paid the price if it was included in my area but, given a choice either way I'm not sure what I would have chosen.

Regardless, I'm hoping to have my new GS soon and believe I will be COMPLETELY happy with it and the way it is equipped.