The Democrats still Objecting to Electoral College Results

[SharpLS-96]

That's what I call bringing the nation together.
Grand standing at it's best!!!!

If only I can go back to the days when you can challenege a person to a duel........I wouldn't mind going a few rounds in the ring with her since her last name is "Boxer" (Box her).
Zell Miller =

Senator to Object to Electoral College Results
Thursday, January 06, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143510,00.html

WASHINGTON — Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., will contest the results of the Electoral College that will give President Bush a second term. A joint session of Congress is set to meet on the matter at 1 p.m. EST Thursday.

Boxer's decision follows a similar one by several Democratic House members. With Boxer's challenge, congressional rules stipulate that senators and representatives must recess to their respective chambers to debate certification.

The action would be the first of its kind in 36 years, but probably will amount to no more than a procedural delay of the inevitable.

Boxer sent a letter to Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, one of the House Democrats set to challenge the results, saying that she was "moved" by Jones' concerns about reported election irregularities in Ohio.

"I have concluded that objecting to the electoral votes from Ohio is the only immediate way to bring these issues to light by allowing you to have a two-hour debate to let the American people know the facts surrounding Ohio's election," Boxer said in the letter.

Boxer and Jones held a news conference at noon. Boxer said she regrets that she didn't object to the certification four years ago when the controversial election put Bush over Al Gore.

"Yes, I think there are people who wish we didn't do it, but we're doing it for the right reasons," she said, adding that she was also going to introduce with her House colleagues legislation to standardize elections nationally.

Jones added that she couldn't let the election go without assuring democracy applies to everyone in the United Statse.

"I can't let it go because there are people in my congressional district, there are people in this country who said, 'Stephanie, I did not get my vote counted. My vote did not count. I was denied the opportunity to vote.'"

According to the choreography of the certification, after the House is called to order and the senators arrive from their chamber, the joint session begins with Vice President **** Cheney leading the activities.

The "certificates of vote" from each state will be called out and the number of votes designated for president and vice president will be reported on four separate paper tallies.

At the end of the reading of all 50 states and the District of Columbia's votes, the four tellers responsible for recording the tallies will compare results and sign off on them. Cheney will then announce the totals and order them into the record.

However, as was also the case in 2001, when more than two dozen Democrats objected to the certification of Florida's disputed election, a new objection is expected this time.

Besides Jones, at least two other House Democrats — Reps. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois and John Conyers of Michigan — are expected to object to the certification of Ohio's 20 Electoral College votes for Bush, alleging voting irregularities in the decisive swing state.

Because Boxer will offer an objection, the House and Senate must then withdraw to their chambers so each body can discuss objections made on each state's certification.

The discussion can last up to two hours for each objection, after which time each chamber votes separately on them.

The two bodies would then return to the joint session to report their respective actions on the objections.

Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio, said charges made about Ohio’s election are “wild, incoherent and completely unsubstantiated

“If Ohio’s electors are challenged, I think it will be a sad day for the United States Congress. I can hardly believe that this could happen on the floor of the United States Senate. All objective observers in Ohio know that President Bush carried the state of Ohio. Even John Kerry’s Ohio lawyer stated such this week," DeWine said, referring to a report in the Columbus Dispatch quoting Kerry-Edwards attorney Daniel J. Hoffheimer.

Boxer and several other senators had been approached by House Democrats to launch the corresponding objection from the Senate that would force the recess of the joint session.

According to informed sources, House Democrats also approached newly elected Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (search) to join the objection. Those sources said Obama has no plans to do so.

Sen. John Kerry , who lost the election to Bush and is currently overseas, said in a letter sent to supporters Wednesday he would not take part in a formal protest of the Ohio Electors because, despite widespread reports of voting irregularities, his legal team had "found no evidence that would change the outcome of the election."

Kerry said he planned to introduce election-reform legislation and push for congressional hearings on the voting irregularities.

Asked about the political wisdom of deciding to join House members in contesting the results, an aide to Boxer aide told FOX News, "These are credible folks in the House who say there are real problems out there. They need to shine the light on this. So they made an appeal to the senator for the right to shine the light on it.

"There are folks who think this is a not a fruitful exercise, because even [if] the results are challenged, it still may not change the outcome," the aide added, "but for two hours, this might at least be worth discussing."

Republicans say Boxer and a handful of House left-wingers are grand-standing. One Democratic leadership source also criticized Boxer, suggesting, "It would not be preferable for her to object."


Kerry is overseas? He must be hanging out with his lovely wife and Chac Chirac on the French Riveria at a posh seaside villa eating croissants and sipping French Vanilla tea.

[EmeraldLexuSC3]

This action would be the first of its kind in 36 years, but most likely won't add up to more than a
procedural delay of the inevitable!
Americans turned out in record numbers, and their votes have been counted and recounted, and President Bush won with more votes than any other presidential candidate in the history of
the Ohio Republic. It's time to move on.

[stckyfngz]

Sharp, I bet you would like to fight a girl, over a political dispute...nice, nothing but class

on a similar note the Reps in Washington are PO'd they lost and are demanding a new election

it seems dems don't quite have a monopoly on whining

you reps are perfectly capable of it yourself

Wash. GOP Demands New Governor Election

Thu Jan 6, 9:04 AM ET

By REBECCA COOK, Associated Press Writer

OLYMPIA, Wash. - State Republicans Wednesday charged that hundreds of provisional ballots may have been counted on Election Day without being verified.

It's the latest in a series of allegations from Republicans who are pointing to flaws in the governor's balloting and demanding a new election. After losing the first two counts, Democrat Christine Gregoire beat Republican Dino Rossi in the third count by 129 votes out of 2.9 million ballots cast.

State Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance said an admission by election workers in King County that provisional ballots had been counted without verification is "absolute proof" of the need for a new election. The heavily Democratic county includes Seattle.

"It's enough right there to invalidate the election," Vance said. "This is a bombshell."

Gregoire's inauguration is scheduled next Wednesday. Republicans are preparing for a possible court challenge to the election — the deadline to file such a challenge is Jan. 22.

Democrats downplayed the importance of the GOP claim.

"There would have to be thousands before it would make a difference," said state Democratic Party spokeswoman Kirstin Brost. "This is just the attack of the day from the Republicans."

County elections spokeswoman Bobbie Egan said Wednesday that 87 percent of the 31,545 provisional ballots issued in King County have been validated and included in the official count.

Provisional ballots are given to people who go to the polls on Election Day, but who aren't listed as registered voters in that precinct. Election workers research afterward to determine whether the vote is valid and should be counted.

GOP election observers in King County said they saw hundreds of provisional ballots go straight into the voting machines on Election Day without any checks. Election workers said a review of polling place records should indicate the extent of the problem, but it may be impossible to determine exactly how many provisional ballots were fed into the tabulating machines on Election Day.

King County this week is reconciling its list of voters in the 2004 election, which is about 3,500 names short of the number of ballots cast. At least four other counties have similar discrepancies, which county auditors say is common.

[SharpLS-96]

Correction "Sticky Fingers" or shall I say "Stinky Fingers", only you liberals walk around with your wife beater t-shirts on smacking ladies around.

Voting for Kerry, now that's some "class" right there.
The "class" of failure.

Originally Posted by stckyfngz

[b]Sharp, I bet you would like to fight a girl, over a political dispute...nice, nothing but class

[stckyfngz]

nice comeback...for a 6th grader

here's one for you

"your momma"

[EmeraldLexuSC3]

Keep up the good work you two!
You know this thread is descent to be closed!!

[1SICKLEX]

Felllas, no name calling. DaveGS4 has spelled out the rules for this forum.

And yes, its another example of pot calling the kettle black. Both sides can be the pot.

[videcormeum]

Originally Posted by EmeraldLexuSC3

Keep up the good work you two!
You know this thread is descent to be closed!!

Ha! I'm reminded of a line from one of the Naked Gun films:

Leslie Neilson: "We're both adults here ... isn't that right Mr. ...... POOPY PANTS!!!!"

M.

[mikeloc24]

I find it funny how much people love Bush, or Kerry, or what have you...I don't care about any of those suckas, just like they don't care about me...

They're all greedy and corrupt to an extent so what does it matter? Republicans, Democrats...blah...all the same, they're rich and their sons won't have to fight in the war while that's not the case for the rest of us Americans...this nation has too many drugs floating around, legal and illegal, we have a serious situation with homeless as their numbers are growing, how about improving our crappy California schools?...why don't they combine forces and actually get some shiat done for us instead of fighting, complaining, and bickering. This election divided the nation like never before...let's come together and actually fix some shiat for once...

-Locsta

[WhiteTiger]

1st off, I didn't think the Electoral College Delay issue was that big of a deal since it was just trying to accentuate the fact that there were some issues with the Ohio election. Although this certainly wouldn't have changed the outcome with the difference being 118K votes, it was something to shed light on their processes and focus on trying to improve the next election there.

On the Washington Governor's race

Originally Posted by stckyfngz

[b]King County this week is reconciling its list of voters in the 2004 election, which is about 3,500 names short of the number of ballots cast. At least four other counties have similar discrepancies, which county auditors say is common.

If the difference was 129 votes and there are 3,500 more ballots than names, well IMO that is something that needs to be addressed and it is not whinning. Although the way they complain is whinning it still doesn't hurt the importance of the issue.

I don't think a new election is necessary, rather they need to reveiw and verify the additional 3,500 ballots and if they can't, then those specific votes they can't verify would need to be removed from the final vote totals in order to determine the winner.

[nthach]

Originally Posted by stckyfngz

Sharp, I bet you would like to fight a girl, over a political dispute...nice, nothing but class

on a similar note the Reps in Washington are PO'd they lost and are demanding a new election

it seems dems don't quite have a monopoly on whining

you reps are perfectly capable of it yourself

Wash. GOP Demands New Governor Election

Thu Jan 6, 9:04 AM ET

By REBECCA COOK, Associated Press Writer

OLYMPIA, Wash. - State Republicans Wednesday charged that hundreds of provisional ballots may have been counted on Election Day without being verified.

It's the latest in a series of allegations from Republicans who are pointing to flaws in the governor's balloting and demanding a new election. After losing the first two counts, Democrat Christine Gregoire beat Republican Dino Rossi in the third count by 129 votes out of 2.9 million ballots cast.

State Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance said an admission by election workers in King County that provisional ballots had been counted without verification is "absolute proof" of the need for a new election. The heavily Democratic county includes Seattle.

"It's enough right there to invalidate the election," Vance said. "This is a bombshell."

Gregoire's inauguration is scheduled next Wednesday. Republicans are preparing for a possible court challenge to the election — the deadline to file such a challenge is Jan. 22.

Democrats downplayed the importance of the GOP claim.

"There would have to be thousands before it would make a difference," said state Democratic Party spokeswoman Kirstin Brost. "This is just the attack of the day from the Republicans."

County elections spokeswoman Bobbie Egan said Wednesday that 87 percent of the 31,545 provisional ballots issued in King County have been validated and included in the official count.

Provisional ballots are given to people who go to the polls on Election Day, but who aren't listed as registered voters in that precinct. Election workers research afterward to determine whether the vote is valid and should be counted.

GOP election observers in King County said they saw hundreds of provisional ballots go straight into the voting machines on Election Day without any checks. Election workers said a review of polling place records should indicate the extent of the problem, but it may be impossible to determine exactly how many provisional ballots were fed into the tabulating machines on Election Day.

King County this week is reconciling its list of voters in the 2004 election, which is about 3,500 names short of the number of ballots cast. At least four other counties have similar discrepancies, which county auditors say is common.

i read about that, i wish Dino Rossi the best.

[SharpLS-96]

I think it’s admirable that Senator Barbara Boxer is able to express her feelings so openly. It’s the first step in healing her advanced case of Post Election Selection Trauma.

She can always move to Canada.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...3349095374.jpg

[mmarshall]

Originally Posted by SharpLS-96

I think it’s admirable that Senator Barbara Boxer is able to express her feelings so openly. It’s the first step in healing her advanced case of Post Election Selection Trauma.
]

Why is she wasting the Country's (and Congress' ) time with this nonsense? Kerry LOST. She needs to GET OVER IT. She is a responsible grown woman and a U.S Senator, and it is about time she started ACTING like one instead of like a spoiled little girl.

Good Golly ......... I'm glad this woman doesn't represent MY state.

[stckyfngz]

Originally Posted by mmarshall

Why is she wasting the Country's (and Congress' ) time with this nonsense? Kerry LOST. She needs to GET OVER IT. She is a responsible grown woman and a U.S Senator, and it is about time she started ACTING like one instead of like a spoiled little girl.

Good Golly ......... I'm glad this woman doesn't represent MY state

only spoiled little kids complain about having to debate the issues

"If we can say to our young men and women, 'Go overseas, give your life so that the people of Iraq and Afghanistan have the right to vote,' then surely in this Congress we can take a few minutes and step back and debate and discuss irregularities in the United States of America," Tubbs Jones said.

Boxer added, "Everybody knows that the election is over. It's not about overturning the election. For me, it's the opening round in the battle for electoral justice."

This week, TrueMajority members pressed their Senators to do two things. I’m happy to report that we made significant progress on both.

First, tens of thousands of TrueMajority members sent messages to their Senators asking them to join Rep. Conyers (D-Michigan) in holding up the certification of the presidential election results to force a debate on continuing voter disenfranchisement in Ohio and elsewhere. Many House members agreed to join him, but Congressional rules required at least one Senator if they were going to succeed.

Well, after receiving a flood of messages from members of TrueMajority and a lot of our allies, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-California) agreed to join the protest – the first time really since 1877 that the certification process was interrupted to debate electoral fairness. That sparked a spirited debate in both houses. It’s the beginning of a new phase in our effort to ensure Honest Elections to America.

t’s important that public officials who stand with us know that we’re watching and appreciate their actions. Just click "Reply" and "Send" in your e-mail program to send Barbara Boxer a note of thanks for standing up to power and speaking the truth. If this e-mail was forwarded to you or you'd like to edit the message, just click this link:

http://truemajority.kintera.org/boxerthankyou

ahhhhh the power to get your senators to work FOR you

side note. Boxer won her Senate race 57% to 37% over Bill Jones this last November

[AdrianXT]

Originally Posted by stckyfngz

only spoiled little kids complain about having to debate the issues

Except there isn't a valid issue to debate in this case. I felt sorry when I saw one of the supporters on Fox attempting to explain herself. These suckas didn't challenge the Ohio results last time, and Bush won Ohio last time by a FAR smaller margin.

Originally Posted by stckyfngz

ahhhhh the power to get your senators to work FOR you

side note. Boxer won her Senate race 57% to 37% over Bill Jones this last November

Those aren't MY senators. And I don't appreciate some attention-hungry rogues trying to screw with the NATIONAL election. You'd have to be a lunatic to expect perfection. Yes, we should strive for perfection but we must also remember that it can't be reached, at least not to the point of universal satisfaction.

I voted for Bush, but since the election I've realized that the solution lies neither with the Republicans, nor the Democrats. Locsta said it perfectly.