US adopts National ID: Homeland Security Now In charge

[1SICKLEX]

December 9, 2004

“Your Papers Please”

US adopts National ID: Homeland Security Now In charge
of Regulations for all US States Drivers Licenses and
Birth Certificates

By: Jonathan Wheeler

In a chilling act more reminiscent of the now defunct
Soviet Union or the Nazi regime of Adolph Hitler, the
United States Congress passed legislation yesterday
that requires the States to surrender their regulatory
rights over driver’s licenses and birth certificates
to The Department of Homeland Security.

The massive US Intelligence Reform Bill weighed in at
over 3,000 pages and though unread by individual
Members of either the House or Senate nevertheless
passed all of the legislative hurdles needed in order
to become law.

President Bush lobbied hard for these provisions, only
objecting when Senator Sensenbrenner attempted to
require these same provisions for illegal aliens but
which the President opposed. This provision was
dropped from the final bill.

Beginning in 2005, the Department of Homeland Security
will issue new uniformity regulations to the States
requiring that all Drivers Licenses and Birth
Certificates meet minimal Federal Standards with
regard to US citizen information, including biometric
security provisions.

Added to currently existing Federal Laws and Supreme
Court rulings American citizens when born will be
issued a Social Security Number that will be included
on their Birth Certificates, along with DNA biometric
markers. All birth certificates will also be
registered in a Federal Government database maintained
by the Department of Homeland Security. No child will
be allowed enrollment to schools or be entitled to
either State of Federal Government benefits programs
without first presenting a certified Homeland Security
registered Birth Certificate.

Drivers Licenses will also contain DNA biometric
markers and include the holders Social Security Number
and be required for receiving and applying for all
State and Federal benefits programs. Previous Supreme
Court rulings have also upheld State and Federal Law
Enforcement authorities right to request
Identification from any American citizen, for any
reason and at any time as not being violations of
their, the citizens, constitutionally protected
rights.

Major Banks and credit card companies have applauded
the adoption of a National ID system as being
important to counter fraud and increasing instances of
identity theft. National ID cards with biometric
markers will eliminate them from having to issue
Credit and Debit cards, which for the first time in US
history have surpassed the usage of checks and cash.
Utilizing The Department of Homeland Securities
centralized federal database, Banks and credit card
companies will only require the presentation of a
citizens Driver’s License to make purchases as all of
the persons financial information, including credit
and cash balances, will already be known in ‘real
time’. (The combining of Homeland Security and
Banking databases on citizen’s balances and purchases,
along with their past and present purchasing
information, has been allowed under previous Federal
Laws including the Patriot Act.)

Also included in this bill is a law to require The
Department of Homeland Security to establish a
separate ID system for citizens to use prior to
boarding airplanes, and which is eerily reminiscent of
the Soviet and Nazi regimes dreaded Internal Passport.


Never before in our history have the words of Benjamin
Franklin been so correct when he stated: "people
willing to trade their freedom for temporary security
deserve neither and will lose both".

Today, December 9, 2004 will be one of those moments
in time that future historians will look back on and
pin point as being the day that the United States of
American, and as it was founded by its forefathers,
ceased to exist.

[1SICKLEX]

Someone e-mailed me this today and is it true? I do know drivers licenses are not national registered now. You can have licenses in multiple states if you wanted. But man, it seems the babies will start to be bar-coded next year. Sad.

This is not the solution. We have a few terrorists changing laws for almost 300 MILLION people. Seems odd, no? BIg Brother is watching, sigh, time to re-read 1984....

[Corey140]

Yep, sounds like it.
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/...03&newsLang=en

A company who business will be helped by the law.

[bitkahuna]

Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

... By: Jonathan Wheeler

In a chilling act more reminiscent of the now defunct
Soviet Union or the Nazi regime of Adolph Hitler...

...Today, December 9, 2004 will be one of those moments
in time that future historians will look back on and
pin point as being the day that the United States of
American, and as it was founded by its forefathers,
ceased to exist.

That is the most ridiculously overhyped couple of statements I've seen in a while. Where was this article published?

Nationally coordinating the issuing of drivers licenses makes perfect sense. Would we also want passports to be done by state?

[bitkahuna]

Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

[i]... By: Jonathan Wheeler

Never before in our history have the words of Benjamin
Franklin been so correct when he stated: "people
willing to trade their freedom for temporary security
deserve neither and will lose both".

How is this trading freedom for security?

Has this restricted movement? No.
Has this stopped any legal behavior? No.

??

[mmarshall]

I don't like the idea of more "Big Brother" legislation, but here I can understand the need for at least some of it. Drivers' licenses have become the instrument for all kinds of corruption today, not just driving offenses, from fake ID's to false voter registrations (thanks to the Federal "Motor-Voter" Bill of 1993) to illicit passes and visas for illigal immigrants to writing bad checks to you-name-it. We have GOT to get some control over what is happening with these things, or we are going to have sheer anarchy.

[WhiteTiger]

Interesting, I did not see anything covered re: this on CNN TV or the few issues of the USA Today/Chgo Tribune that I read during my holiday travels over the last 8 days and I read 3 front sections of the Chgo Tribune and USA Today completely (on different days) and watched a few hours on different days sitting in hotel rooms or in airports. This is a pretty sweeping piece of legislation and I am shocked what little coverage, maybe I just caught the wrong days by coincidence.

If this is for real, well......

I will say I definitely don't like the concept of having my financial and ID info all in one place.

I don't necessarily mind the ID part coming under the control of the Dept of Homeland Security, but I find it ironic that we won't require an ID system for legal and/or illegal aliens. Kudos to that Senator who wanted them to keep the provisions for illegal aliens as well!

Soon enough, one of the next big issues will be illegal immigration and it's effects on our economy, our legal citizens, our criminal justice system, and our healthcare system. It already has and continues to take a huge toll on our economy. The costs clearly outweigh the benefits and on this issue most politicians have their priorities all wrong.

We need to improve the legalization process
We need to deport illegal aliens (unless certain requirements are proven (i.e. stable job, live here more than 5 yrs, otherwise law abiding, rest of family is legal, etc.) Still must go thru actual legalization process.
We need to take a hard line on those here to do us harm
We need to provide our Border Patrol with tools that work
We need to train and use our National Guard to assist in this process (or any other resources than can be used to assist with the manpower needs along our borders and at any international point of entry (Reserve, etc.)
We need to push other countries to make their situations better so that people don't need to flee their country to come to ours (focus on the source)
We need the ACLU to wake up before they squash what little is left of the American Way. (whole 'nother topic).

But unfortunately common sense rarely is used when actual immigration policy is set or even discussed (amnesty and so called "visa programs" are the wrong solutions with no long term viability).

It will be interesting to see if and when any challenges might come re: this legislation?

[Vegassc400]

Oddly, I'm in total agreement with White Tiger and we rarely see eye to eye. Great Post.

[mmarshall]

Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

December 9, 2004

“By: Jonathan Wheeler

In a chilling act more reminiscent of the now defunct
Soviet Union or the Nazi regime of Adolph Hitler, the
United States Congress passed legislation yesterday
that requires the States to surrender their regulatory
rights over driver’s licenses and birth certificates
to The Department of Homeland Security.


in time that future historians will look back on and
pin point as being the day that the United States of
American, and as it was founded by its forefathers,
ceased to exist.

Mike.....I know you didn't actually write this....you just posting what Johnathan Wheeler wrote, but I get so tired of these people who continually try to compare American society (and especially the Bush Administration) with the horrors of Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia. These people need a good swift kick in the a- - with one of my honest size 15's. I would give this guy just ONE DAY in one of Hitler's Concentation / Death camps or Stalin's Gulags.........and, trust me.....he would come running back to the U.S.A. with open arms, Homeland Security or not.

[videcormeum]

Originally Posted by mmarshall

Mike.....I know you didn't actually write this....you just posting what Johnathan Wheeler wrote, but I get so tired of these people who continually try to compare American society (and especially the Bush Administration) with the horrors of Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia. These people need a good swift kick in the a- - with one of my honest size 15's. I would give this guy just ONE DAY in one of Hitler's Concentation / Death camps or Stalin's Gulags.........and, trust me.....he would come running back to the U.S.A. with open arms, Homeland Security or not.

It's quite true.

But I don't think that "Still better than the horrors of tyranny past!" should qualify our great nation, mmarshall.

I'm a bit weary to be honest.

M.

[mmarshall]

Originally Posted by whipimpin

It's quite true.

But I don't think that "Still better than the horrors of tyranny past!" should qualify our great nation, mmarshall.

I'm a bit weary to be honest.

M.

Well, as I stated in my first post, I don't particularly like the idea of more "Big Brother" laws myself, but lax driver's license policies have led to all kinds of ills....from fraudulent voter registration to writing bad checks to getting fake immigration ID to many other things as well.

There are a LOT of dishonest people in the world....and here at home.......(fortunately you and me are not among them).........and we HAVE to deal with them sooner or later.