Bush is Times "Man of the Year", did we talk about this?

1SICKLEX · 12-23-04, 08:33 PM

I respected Time and had a subscription at one point. When I saw this I almost fainted. Man of the Year? SeriouslY?
http://www.time.com/time/personofthe...004/story.html

How? If this is what they want people to follow, we are in a heap of trouble.

bitkahuna · 12-23-04, 09:40 PM

Man, or Person, of the year is not a popularity contest (that's in People magazine

). It's given to the most influential, talked about, controversial, person.

*HITLER* got man of the year decades ago.

Bush was the obvious choice because of the war in Iraq, the election, and the collapse of the UN which he has basically brought about (thankfully).

videcormeum · 12-24-04, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna

Man, or Person, of the year is not a popularity contest (that's in People magazine

). It's given to the most influential, talked about, controversial, person.

*HITLER* got man of the year decades ago.

Bush was the obvious choice because of the war in Iraq, the election, and the collapse of the UN which he has basically brought about (thankfully).

Yeah - Hitler got it in 1938; I'm *guessing* for retooling the economically defunct (due to W.W. One) Germany into the industrial power which came to produce the war machine that almost destroyed freedom throughout the world.

The U.N. has been in ruins for years. That aside, it did serve, if nothing more, as a reminder that the world is no longer a collection of independent nations, but an interdependent network that must cooperate in order to survive to see the coming decade, century and maybe even millenia.

I can only hope that the war now being waged will end up serving the cause of unity rather than that of division - nationally and internationally.

M.

RobSoVIP · 12-24-04, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by whipimpin

Yeah - Hitler got it in 1938; I'm *guessing* for retooling the economically defunct (due to W.W. One) Germany into the industrial power which came to produce the war machine that almost destroyed freedom throughout the world.

The U.N. has been in ruins for years. That aside, it did serve, if nothing more, as a reminder that the world is no longer a collection of independent nations, but an interdependent network that must cooperate in order to survive to see the coming decade, century and maybe even millenia.

I can only hope that the war now being waged will end up serving the cause of unity rather than that of division - nationally and internationally.

M.

excellent post- I agree to the fullest... no longer are political, economic, regulatory, and environmental issues constrained by borders... To defeat these issues, the good guys must band together!

mmarshall · 12-24-04, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna

Man, or Person, of the year is not a popularity contest (that's in People magazine

). It's given to the most influential, talked about, controversial, person.

*HITLER* got man of the year decades ago.

Bush was the obvious choice because of the war in Iraq, the election, and the collapse of the UN which he has basically brought about (thankfully).

The U.N. is a joke. Most of the people in it....including Anan himself.......couldn't even pull their own p - - -rs out and take a p - -s if somebody else didn't show them where it was.

I can think of only ONE institution on this planet that was even MORE inefficient........Marion Barry's administration when he was Mayor of Washington, D.C.

mmarshall · 12-24-04, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

I Man of the Year? SeriouslY?

.

You better believe it.

SDuquette · 12-24-04, 11:36 AM

Time is crap

NAZTY97 · 12-25-04, 05:22 PM

Ok,... I watched the interview of the guy who represented TIME,...forget what channel it was on,.. was in the Bahama's at the time,...but anyways,.. .the guy said Bush got that honor because of how he ran his campaign to get re-elected, how he changed the rules of traditional politics when running for election, hence making a unprecedented act in that regard. I thought that was the biggest crock of shiyat I have ever heard. If anything, I was lookin' to hear about his accomplishments over the last year, or hell, even his tenure as president,... NOTHING,... just he didn't follow convention for a stupid campaign platform... didn't use the old tricks of the past to do something today....

morris · 12-25-04, 06:03 PM

Well tax cuts for every american that actually paid taxes, prescription drugs for seniors, no further attacks since 911, recovering economy from the falling market he inherited. Appointed first minority secretary of state, first minority security advisor, minority edeucation secretary, allowed that worthless assault weapons ban to sunset. Freed 25 million Afganies from unimaginalble oppression, Freed 25 million iraqis from oppression, rebuilt schools roads, factories. Doubled the income of the average iraqi, convinced Libya to abandon its nuclear weapons program.

Thats just off the top of my head.

Vegassc400 · 12-25-04, 08:04 PM

Didn't OBL get nominated in 01?

morris · 12-26-04, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegassc400

Didn't OBL get nominated in 01?

Sorry I dont follow. If you mean bin laden he was never nominated to anything he is just a rich Saudi that hates america.

NAZTY97 · 12-26-04, 06:11 PM

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Well tax cuts for every american that actually paid taxes, prescription drugs for seniors, no further attacks since 911, recovering economy from the falling market he inherited. Appointed first minority secretary of state, first minority security advisor, minority edeucation secretary, allowed that worthless assault weapons ban to sunset. Freed 25 million Afganies from unimaginalble oppression, Freed 25 million iraqis from oppression, rebuilt schools roads, factories. Doubled the income of the average iraqi, convinced Libya to abandon its nuclear weapons program.

Ok,.. first one,... no further attacks since 9/11,... so if you think that's an accomplishment, can we safely say,... uh.. Clinton kept attacks from happening since none did while he was in office, or any president before Bush Jr.? Which would then imply it's Bush's fault since he's the only Prez to "allow" such an attack on our soil? Recovering economy??? This credit depends on who's talkin'... on one news channel... jobless claims rose last month,... on other channels,.. the economy is barely growing,.... so, can't claim validity on that one.... Appointed a minority to Sec of State,... if she truly earned it,... then it's no credit to him,... it's just the natural succession of talent,.... The 25 million people from the two countries listed were freed by the blood, sweat, and tears of our millitary, not our President,... I think it's a disservice to them to give him credit for their loss of lives for a cause that is by the day becoming a greater and greater sunken cost with no return.

But.... all that was to say, those are your reasons why you think he's the man of the year,... not why TIME thought he was the man of the year.

morris · 12-26-04, 06:15 PM

I wasnt talking about man of the year, you asked about accomplishments, those are what I would call accomplishments.

LexRoc · 12-26-04, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NAZTY97

Ok,.. first one,... no further attacks since 9/11,... so if you think that's an accomplishment, can we safely say,... uh.. Clinton kept attacks from happening since none did while he was in office

WTC bombings Feb 1993, and others against the US not on our soil.

morris · 12-26-04, 06:33 PM

I really dont want to discuss clinton this wasnt meant to be a pro bush bash clinton response. But there were quite a few attacks on the US under clinton. Attached is an excerpt from an online newsletter that had all the information in one place for me.l

The Clinton Administration did nothing of significance in response to the first World Trade Center bombing, the bombing of the Khobar Towers in Dahran, the downing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, the bombing of the Americam Embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, or the bombing of the USS Cole in Aden. In fact, the Islamic terrorist network behind these mass murders continued to strengthen. It must have been obvious to the terrorists that America wouldn't strike back, excepting the occasional and meaningless firing off of a missile for the benefit of the TV viewer and Clinton's image.

Even more troubling is the possibility of a coverup, by the Clinton Administration, of an Islamic terrorist connection to the Oklahoma City bombing. According to the U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT (8/29), "a few top Defense officials think Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh was an Iraqi agent." U.S. NEWS reports, "The theory stems from a never-before-reported allegation that McVeigh had allegedly collected Iraqi telephone numbers." The Clinton Administration's motive for covering up this key aspect of the case, among other coverups around the Oklahoma City bombing, is truly a mystery.