Ron Artest

melarainc · 11-24-04, 09:26 PM

Any thoughts on the BAsketbrawl? i think that suspension for the whole season is uncalled for but anyways waht is going on wit athletes these days, and it will only get worst if they keep skipping college.

bitkahuna · 11-25-04, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by melarainc
i think that suspension for the whole season is uncalled for ...

Are you kidding? I think he should have been banned from the NBA forever. I heard 40% of the NBA have serious criminal records, anyone know if that's true? If it is, that's truly sad. I don't expect sports figures to be angels, but they can't be all thugs either. What is a young kid supposed to think? Hey, maybe I can grow up, have millions and beat the snot out of people in the audience I don't approve of?

Stage3 · 11-27-04, 09:38 AM

Artest is a pansy as are majority of the basketball players. he should be suspended this year, have to forfeit next years pay and then be thrown in jail for insighting a riot. that fat punk that threw the cup and started all this just have to do the same.

Stage3 · 11-27-04, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by bitkahuna
Are you kidding? I think he should have been banned from the NBA forever. I heard 40% of the NBA have serious criminal records, anyone know if that's true? If it is, that's truly sad. I don't expect sports figures to be angels, but they can't be all thugs either. What is a young kid supposed to think? Hey, maybe I can grow up, have millions and beat the snot out of people in the audience I don't approve of?

mmarshall · 11-27-04, 11:05 AM

There is truth on both sides of this. Basketball players have to be held to certain standards, (standards that Artest may have violated) but so do the fans sitting in the stands. Just because you buy a ticket and take up a seat, that does NOT give you the right to throw things at or assault players. You assault a player, he has the right to fight back, IMO. You get your a - - kicked, you learn....real fast.

The REAL problem is drunkenness. I think that eventually you're going to see alcohol...even beer.....banned from sports events.

Ebanks · 11-28-04, 05:05 AM

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The REAL problem is drunkenness. I think that eventually you're going to see alcohol...even beer.....banned from sports events.

Then you will see a massive drop in attendance and they won't make money, so I don't think that would last.

-Ethan

J.P. · 11-28-04, 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by Ebanks
Then you will see a massive drop in attendance and they won't make money, so I don't think that would last.

-Ethan

Ticket prices will be higher then snoop dog on tour.

mmarshall · 11-28-04, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by Ebanks
Then you will see a massive drop in attendance and they won't make money, so I don't think that would last.

-Ethan

Maybe there will be a drop........maybe not. I won't try to predict. But sooner or later the problem of drunken and unruly fans is going to have to be dealt with, one way or another.......just as with unruly players.

Alcohol was banned from a lot of rock concerts, without a massive drop in attendence.....though a lot concerts still have a problem with pot-smoking. It's a lot easier to hide a joint than a bottle or a six -pack of beer.

bitkahuna · 11-28-04, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by mmarshall
Just because you buy a ticket and take up a seat, that does NOT give you the right to throw things at or assault players.

True. Fans who threw things, etc. should also land in jail.

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You assault a player, he has the right to fight back, IMO. You get your a - - kicked, you learn....real fast.

No, I don't agree, the players must restrain themselves and let the police take out unruly fans.

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The REAL problem is drunkenness. I think that eventually you're going to see alcohol...even beer.....banned from sports events.

I highly doubt it. But the players weren't drunk, they need to control themselves.

mkorsu · 11-29-04, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by mmarshall
There is truth on both sides of this. Basketball players have to be held to certain standards, (standards that Artest may have violated) but so do the fans sitting in the stands. Just because you buy a ticket and take up a seat, that does NOT give you the right to throw things at or assault players. You assault a player, he has the right to fight back, IMO. You get your a - - kicked, you learn....real fast.

The REAL problem is drunkenness. I think that eventually you're going to see alcohol...even beer.....banned from sports events.

Right on the money!!!!!

An open letter to all sports "hooligans"!!
"Please stop your fighting!!! I really like beer and would hate to see it removed from my Jets games. It's the only thing that helps ease the pain of consistant disappointing seasons!!!"

EmeraldLexuSC3 · 11-29-04, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by bitkahuna
I heard 40% of the NBA have serious criminal records, anyone know if that's true? If it is, that's truly sad. I don't expect sports figures to be angels, but they can't be all thugs either. What is a young kid supposed to think? Hey, maybe I can grow up, have millions and beat the snot out of people in the audience I don't approve of?

Bitkahuna you heard correctly, Why do you think some of these athletes act like criminals? Because many of your them are! Forty percent of NBA players have criminal records, Yet NBA executives constantly make excuses for them, often relying on political correctness in one form or another to rationalize the rise of the criminal-athlete. n authentic and "real" culture!
The NBA increasingly looks like a glorified men's league for ex-cons. But as long as the bucks keep flowing its cynical organizers are happy to indulge these spoiled and dangerous stars.
Sports executives are like indulgent parents who let their child get away with all manner of nonsense until the child embarrasses them at a dinner party before their friends and then they call a "timeout."
NBA Commissioner David Stern had already been stressing to owners the need to improve the league's image." If Stern wants the NBA's players to stop acting like criminals, he will have to tell the owners to stop hiring criminals and paying them millions no matter how badly they act or play.
Out of 177 NBA players from the 2001-2002 season, 40% of them had been arrested for crimes ranging from rape to armed robbery to domestic violence.
The NBA has become more of a Hip-Hop, gangster-rap cultured type sport. If they are paid millions to play the sport, then they should behave and play like professionals! Other than that, they are just an overpaid 'Kid off the street' type thugs!
Peace

jmecbr900 · 11-30-04, 10:52 AM

Long suspension w/o pay= Justified.

Charges for BOTH for assault = Justified.

All the additional riot like mob mentality that errupted in a nanosecond= NOT justified.

I agree that a lot of the NBA players have character issues. They have been rewarded since pre-teenhood for their playing abilities and little else. The players that you see that are well grounded and have good reps are usually those that have grounded role models and upbringing.

As a multi-million dollar athlete you are held to higher standards than your alley rec ball counterparts. If you can't act like you have some sense, you shouldn't be allowed to be in the limelight IMO. Yes, they fill seats, yes they have skills most of us don't have, and yes they even have some economical impact outside basketball BUT all that is wiped away and damaged when they act like thugs. Everyone knows that it only take 1 bad deed to make people forget the 10 good deeds you did earlier.

He should of restrained himself enough to let the security people handle it. If it was the 5th time in the same game that I got hit by flying cups, well then I'd say there was no security and something drastic had to be done. But to get hit by a CUP is not reason enough for sane people to start a riot. The thugs that also jumped into the mix that ensued should also be held accountable. It wasn't their fight to fight. I can't stand when you have 10 on 1 hitting on people and blindsiding you. That's being a coward. That aside, I don't blame the player for getting angry and losing his temper. I do blame him for going out of control into the stands to chase someone down to hit them when there was another solution. The fan should most definetly be held accountable too. Absolutely. He is no innocent angel. But the player escalated the situation by charging the stands like a raging bull out of control. There were innocent bystanders and their kids stampeeding out of the way that could of been seriously hurt trying to flee the situation. I know that if I couldn't get my family out of harms way, then I'd have to fight my way there. If that meant hitting a multi-million dollar player and his thug entourage in the head with a chair to get there, then so be it. Bet they didn't think about that possibility? They're lucky to have escaped reasonably uninjured.

1SICKLEX · 12-09-04, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by EmeraldLexuSC3
Bitkahuna you heard correctly, Why do you think some of these athletes act like criminals? Because many of your them are! Forty percent of NBA players have criminal records, Yet NBA executives constantly make excuses for them, often relying on political correctness in one form or another to rationalize the rise of the criminal-athlete. n authentic and "real" culture!
The NBA increasingly looks like a glorified men's league for ex-cons. But as long as the bucks keep flowing its cynical organizers are happy to indulge these spoiled and dangerous stars.
Sports executives are like indulgent parents who let their child get away with all manner of nonsense until the child embarrasses them at a dinner party before their friends and then they call a "timeout."
NBA Commissioner David Stern had already been stressing to owners the need to improve the league's image." If Stern wants the NBA's players to stop acting like criminals, he will have to tell the owners to stop hiring criminals and paying them millions no matter how badly they act or play.
Out of 177 NBA players from the 2001-2002 season, 40% of them had been arrested for crimes ranging from rape to armed robbery to domestic violence.
The NBA has become more of a Hip-Hop, gangster-rap cultured type sport. If they are paid millions to play the sport, then they should behave and play like professionals! Other than that, they are just an overpaid 'Kid off the street' type thugs!
Peace

Well you have to blame the GREED of the owners more than anything. THEY are the ones DRAFTING these guys. You don't get DRAFTED you don't PLAY in the NBA, simple. Greed got so bad they want these kids out of high school hoping for the next Kobe (sheesh, can't even use him now, Garnett etc).

These guys are targets period. And without proper supervision, yes all hell will break loose.
Look at Tim Duncan. Stayed 4 years in college and is the most fundamentally sound player and 2 time MVP winner. But he is not glorified because he is in a small market (San Antonio). Instead we hear about T-MAC, Shaq, etc etc tons.

I am not saying they are not to blame at all. The weed, assault, etc charges are ridiculous. But its like the rap game, you take guys from the "hood" and expect them to suddently act right. Not going to happen.

WhiteTiger · 12-10-04, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Well you have to blame the GREED of the owners more than anything. THEY are the ones DRAFTING these guys. You don't get DRAFTED you don't PLAY in the NBA, simple.

As Hertz would say...Not Exactly. The influence of Europe and the CBA is quite profound nowadays. I'm not sure what the percentage is, but it is significant (20-30%?).