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Old 11-12-04, 12:05 PM   #1
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Default Osama bin Laden now has religious approval to use a nuclear device against Americans

FORMER HEAD OF CIA'S OSAMA BIN LADEN UNIT SAYS THE QAEDA LEADER HAS SECURED RELIGIOUS APPROVAL TO USE A NUCLEAR BOMB AGAINST AMERICANS
Fri Nov 12 2004 12:02:34 ET

Osama bin Laden now has religious approval to use a nuclear device against Americans, says the former head of the CIA unit charged with tracking down the Saudi terrorist. The former agent, Michael Scheuer, speaks to Steve Kroft in his first television interview without disguise to be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, Nov. 14 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

Scheuer was until recently known as the "anonymous" author of two books critical of the West's response to bin Laden and al Qaeda, the most recent of which is titled Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror. No one in the West knows more about the Qaeda leader than Scheuer, who has tracked him since the mid-1980s. The CIA allowed him to write the books provided he remain anonymous, but now is allowing him to reveal himself for the first time on Sunday's broadcast; he formally leaves the Agency today (12).

Even if bin Laden had a nuclear weapon, he probably wouldn't have used it for a lack of proper religious authority - authority he has now. "[Bin Laden] secured from a Saudi sheik...a rather long treatise on the possibility of using nuclear weapons against the Americans," says Scheuer. "[The treatise] found that he was perfectly within his rights to use them. Muslims argue that the United States is responsible for millions of dead Muslims around the world, so reciprocity would mean you could kill millions of Americans," Scheuer tells Kroft.

Scheuer says bin Laden was criticized by some Muslims for the 9/11 attack because he killed so many people without enough warning and before offering to help convert them to Islam. But now bin Laden has addressed the American people and given fair warning. "They're intention is to end the war as soon as they can and to ratchet up the pain for the Americans until we get out of their region....If they acquire the weapon, they will use it, whether it's chemical, biological or some sort of nuclear weapon," says Scheuer.

As the head of the CIA unit charged with tracking bin Laden from 1996 to 1999, Scheuer says he never had enough people to do the job right. He blames former CIA Director George Tenet. "One of the questions that should have been asked of Mr. Tenet was why were there always enough people for the public relations office, for the academic outreach office, for the diversity and multi-cultural office? All those things are admirable and necessary but none of them are protecting the American people from a foreign threat," says Scheuer.

And the threat posed by bin Laden is also underestimated, says Scheuer. "I think our leaders over the last decade have done the American people a disservice...continuing to characterize Osama bin Laden as a thug, as a gangster," he says. "Until we respect him, sir, we are going to die in numbers that are probably unnecessary, yes. He's a very, very talented man and a very worthy opponent," he tells Kroft.

Until today (12), Scheuer was a senior official in the CIA's counter terrorism unit and a special advisor to the head of the agency's bin Laden unit.

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Who approved it?

No name? I guess Muslims are telepathic too.
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No name? I guess Muslims are telepathic too.
72 virgins await them for a jihadist act. I guess so
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A fatwa was faxed from a Kinko's in Mecca to OBL.
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You guys repeat the virgins story, enjoy using words like "fatwa" not knowing what they actually means or what is required to make one.

This artical continues in the same trend with a "fatwa" and does not even have the basics of a newspaper report as to who made the fatwa.

So you keep following "the world is out to get me mentality" and laugh whn someone offers an explanation or an observation.
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hey, if thats what he wants... All he needs to realize is that if he brings one over here, there are going to be 400 headed in his direction...
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As if this Prez has a clue about anything but Texas backwoods geography.
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As if this Prez has a clue about anything but Texas backwoods geography.
That may be true... but im pretty sure that he's got some competent generals that can find the right area... Pick a point on the map... seems to be going alright so far.
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A fatwa was faxed from a Kinko's in Mecca to OBL.
- I really can't stop laughing. Really, too funny ...

Of course the irony is that if/when (God willing, not "when") they end up nuking us all - they'll probably take out Kinkos entirely. I guess it won't matter at that point.

They'd have to adopt a new mission statement:

"Kinkos - now accomodating all your jihad waging needs ... forcibly ... by nuclear weapons ... for the purpose of nuking of other nations that don't believe exactly as we do ... so as to create a utopia ... where we can all subjugate women equally."



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You guys repeat the virgins story, enjoy using words like "fatwa" not knowing what they actually means or what is required to make one.
This artical continues in the same trend with a "fatwa" and does not even have the basics of a newspaper report as to who made the fatwa.
So you keep following "the world is out to get me mentality" and laugh whn someone offers an explanation or an observation.
Who cares? The moment criticism becomes inconceivable to an individual regarding an idealogy is the moment when extremist idealogues are born. And when I begin to fear for my life.

Extremist idealogues + nuclear weapons =

I think this "jihad" with "fatwas" and all this other crap is rediculous. It's as though these promulgators believe that by initiating a war - America will collapse and convert like most of north Africa did ~ 650 C.E.; but this isn't 650 C.E. and America isn't inclined to collapse; jihadists are about 1500 years behind.

You've got to admit that radical Islam really isn't putting its best side, should it have one, forward. And you must admit that these idiots are not reasonable! Thus their actions and speech are so incredible as to incline the targets of this latest, yet unconsummated and unjustifiable attack to make light of the situation.

I don't mean to direct this at you, braheem; from my experience, you are a reasonable individual who consistently makes thoughtful comments and contributions in posting. I'm just voicing my opinion about our current situation and this most recent "declaration" as it were.

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What still baffles me is that IF the Muslim faith is truely a peaceful faith as has been shown true by direct teachings in the Quran.......How come the peaceful Muslim side has NEVER really came out in disgust and criticism of the extreme sects of people professing to be of their same faith. I'm a Christian. If we had Christian extremists blowing up innocent people, I'd be the first to be saying it's wrong and that person doing that is NOT a true Christian. How can true and peaceful Muslims stand idly by and not condemn the actions of a madman professing to be one of their own????

I don't get that.
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What still baffles me is that IF the Muslim faith is truely a peaceful faith as has been shown true by direct teachings in the Quran.......How come the peaceful Muslim side has NEVER really came out in disgust and criticism of the extreme sects of people professing to be of their same faith. I'm a Christian. If we had Christian extremists blowing up innocent people, I'd be the first to be saying it's wrong and that person doing that is NOT a true Christian. How can true and peaceful Muslims stand idly by and not condemn the actions of a madman professing to be one of their own????

I don't get that.
I believe they have come out against this brand and still do.
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I believe they have come out against this brand and still do.
If that's so, why don't we see any of that on the front pages like we still do about putting underwear on a prisoner's head? I would think that the preservation of a good name for the Muslim faith would be an important thing to fight for and make sure the mainstream knew. Wouldn't it?

I just don't think it's fair for the public to chastize the government for going into Iraq when they don't chastize the absolute moronic extrememist stance the terrorists publicly make. That's just not right. We're ALWAYS defending the whole world, but when people start brewing over being PC suddenly we're the big bad wolf????? I ask this.....who does even the naysayers want in their corner when the stuff hits the fan??? THE U.S. Again, just another example of the ingrates in this world biting the hands that feeds them. IF all these countries and people HATE the U.S. so much, why do they keep taking and taking and taking when we hand out freebies????? When we help them during troubled times? When we help them rebuild after their OWN civil wars? When we help them defeat their enemies???? Ungrateful countries, plain and simple IMO.

It bugs me that people buy into this wimpy propaganda that is being spit out by the biased media. Then those same people that buy all that propaganda turn around and bad mouth the U.S. for every little insignificant thing when you have a CRIMINAL and MASS MURDERER going on GLOBAL TV saying, "Yeah, so what, I blew up the trade towers." Why aren't people *****ing and crying about that instead of underwear on the head????

If it were up to me, I'd do what needed to be done on 9/12/01 and show as little remorse as those barbarians have.
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