Go Back   Club Lexus Forums > General Forums > The Clubhouse > The Debate Forum

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-10-04, 06:04 PM   #1
braheem
Pole Position
 
braheem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Florida
Posts: 358
Default A Seven-Part Series Traces the Israeli-Palestinian Dispute

Being a mamber here on CL, I have met some wonderful people with good careers that may play an influential role in a lot of people's lives, having said that...I am really surprised by the lack of basic understanding of world history, especially the Israeli / Palestinian conflict. It seems many here live on watching Fox news as thier only source of information to the outside world.

It is also saddening that a lot of poeple here will someday or already may be in position of authority that may require thier opinion about what's going on in the world and not know the 1st fact other then what they hear on Fox News and other faux intellectual news sources.

If anyone here has ever wondered what started the Israeli / Palestinain conflict and does not want to subscribe to the fact that some people are evil-doers and others are angels, please read or listen to the cause of the conflic from the beginnig.

NPR has a wonderful 7 part series each about 6 minutes in length.

The Mideast: A Century of Conflict
A Seven-Part Series Traces the Israeli-Palestinian Dispute


part 1. http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me/20020930.me.06.ram

part 2. http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me/20021001.me.06.ram

part3. http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me/20021002.me.05.ram

part4. http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me/20021003.me.06.ram

part5. http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me/20021004.me.05.ram

part6. http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me/20021007.me.05.ram

part 7. http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me/20021008.me.05.ram

I hope this will help in future debates on this forum concerning middleastern issues.

Ibrahim
__________________
MY NAME IS IBRAHIM AND I APPROVED THIS MESSAGE

LS460L or LS600L (on my to do list)
98 GS400 (170K miles)
91 Ls400 (310K miles)
98 LS400 (sold 140K miles)
91 Ls400 (sold 190K miles)
braheem is offline  
Old 11-10-04, 06:14 PM   #2
SharpLS-96
Lexus Champion
 
SharpLS-96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: California
Posts: 2,991
Default

Once again.... www.shoebat.com

Biography of Walid Shoebat
Born in Bethlehem of Judea, Walid's grandfather was the Muslim Mukhtar (chieftain) of Beit Sahour-Bethlehem (The Shepherd's Fields) and a friend of Haj-Ameen Al-Husseni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and notorious friend of Adolf Hitler.

Walid's great grandfather, Abdullah Ali Awad-Allah, was also a fighter and close associate of both Abdul Qader and Haj Amin Al-Husseini, who led the Palestinians against Israel. Walid lived through and witnessed Israel’s Six Day War while living in Jericho.

As a young man, he became a member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, and participated in acts of terror and violence against Israel, and was later imprisoned in the Russian Compound, Jerusal***s central prison for incitement and violence against Israel.

After his release, he continued his life of violence and rioting in Bethlehem and the Temple Mount. After entering the U.S, he worked as a counselor for the Arab Student Organization at Loop College in Chicago and continued his anti-Israel activities.

In 1993, Walid studied the Tanach (Jewish Bible) in a challenge to convert his wife to Islam. Six months later, after intense study, Walid realized that everything he had been taught about Jews was a lie. Convinced he was on the side of evil, he became an advocate for his former enemy.

Driven by a deep passion to heal his own soul, and to bring the truth about the Jews and Israel to the world, Walid shed his former life and his work as a software engineer and set out to tirelessly bring the cause of Israel to tens of thousands of people throughout the world: churches and synagogues, civic groups, government leaders and media.

Walid has written several online books including "Dear Muslim, Let Me Tell You Why I Believed" and "Israel, And The World's Mock Trial”, where he exposes anti-Semitism and the hatred of Jews in both the Islamic Christian and secular worlds.

Walid is an American citizen and lives in the USA with his wife and children, under this assumed name.
__________________
In Memory of 9/11/01
http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/dat...of_9-11-01.jpg

"THIS GREAT NATION WILL LEAD THE WORLD AND WE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL!" --GEORGE W. BUSH
"I SAY TO OUR ENEMIES: WE ARE COMING! GOD MAY HAVE MERCY ON YOU, BUT WE WON'T!"--JOHN McCAIN
"THE PROBLEM WITH LIBERALS IS NOT THAT THEY'RE IGNORANT-IT'S THAT THEY KNOW SO MUCH THAT ISN'T SO!" --RONALD WILSON REAGAN -- MAY HE R.I.P.

Last edited by SharpLS-96; 11-10-04 at 06:22 PM.
SharpLS-96 is offline  
Old 11-10-04, 06:28 PM   #3
braheem
Pole Position
 
braheem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Florida
Posts: 358
Default

I posted a historical documents from a credible news organization based in the U.S., you posted another opinion in return. did you have a chance to listen to any of it before debating? or posting someone else's opinion?

You want opinions? try this website.

http://www.nkusa.org/

I was trying to add education to the debates not animostiy and opinions.
__________________
MY NAME IS IBRAHIM AND I APPROVED THIS MESSAGE

LS460L or LS600L (on my to do list)
98 GS400 (170K miles)
91 Ls400 (310K miles)
98 LS400 (sold 140K miles)
91 Ls400 (sold 190K miles)
braheem is offline  
Old 11-10-04, 07:24 PM   #4
ripe911
Pole Position
 
ripe911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: New York
Posts: 320
Default

Thanks for the info, braheem


ripe911 = rest in peace everyone 9/11
ripe911 is offline  
Old 11-10-04, 08:51 PM   #5
bitkahuna
Going with the flow...
 
bitkahuna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: FL
Posts: 29,973
Default

OK I listened to the whole NPR program. Thanks for the pointer.

I knew most of the more recent histroy (since the 67 war) already (being from Britain), but it does alter my perspective some hearing about the early Zionism political movement. Quite interesting.

I'll continue with my 'opinion' in the other thread.
__________________
TLN #911 President * Stop Global Whining * Star Evil Gnoma Su
personal blog infinite competition blog
bitkahuna is online now  
Old 11-10-04, 09:01 PM   #6
The_Hitman
Lexus Champion
 
The_Hitman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Kansas
Posts: 2,783
Send a message via AIM to The_Hitman
Default

Thanks alot for posting that series Braheem. Well put together and very informative.
__________________
Jeremy
http://people.ku.edu/~jjewell1/sig7.gif

"fireworks makes everything better"

19" Lowenhart LD5 -- For Sale
Full D2 Coilover suspension -- For Sale
Custom audio setup and trunk enclosure - DIY
Custom cleared corners, front and back - DIY
Full wood interior
Might be more...
The_Hitman is offline  
Old 11-12-04, 02:41 PM   #7
WhiteTiger
Lexus Champion
 
WhiteTiger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 2,197
Default

Thanks, next week when I get some time I will check them out.
__________________
Ed M.
Ft Lauderdale, FL
WhiteTiger is offline  
Old 11-12-04, 05:15 PM   #8
videcormeum
Lexus Champion
 
videcormeum's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 2,146
Send a message via AIM to videcormeum
Default Re: A Seven-Part Series Traces the Israeli-Palestinian Dispute

Quote:
Originally posted by braheem
If anyone here has ever wondered what started the Israeli / Palestinain conflict and does not want to subscribe to the fact that some people are evil-doers and others are angels, please read or listen to the cause of the conflict from the begining.

NPR has a wonderful 7 part series each about 6 minutes in length.

The Mideast: A Century of Conflict
A Seven-Part Series Traces the Israeli-Palestinian Dispute


I hope this will help in future debates on this forum concerning middleastern issues.

Ibrahim
Thanks for posting that Ibrahim. I listened to the entire program and found it extremely well researched; all perspectives were well and reputably represented.

While largely a review - it's always good to have the objective facts of history ready to check any developing prejudice based on ignorance of those facts in the present.

I too wish for a more honest, contemplative dialogue of this conflict - not only on these boards - but within greater society at large.

Take care.

Mike
__________________
2008 Acura TSX - Stock

Last edited by whipimpin; 11-12-04 at 05:16 PM.
videcormeum is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:02 PM.

Go

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
Copyright © 2000-2008 Internet Brands, Inc. All Rights Reserved
Privacy Policy | Disclaimer | Terms of Use | JOBS