L-SB-0121-08
Brake TSIB for 2008 Owners Finally Released!
Guys Guys Guys....
I think we all can agree. That the difference in stopping distance will be very infinitesimal, when changing brake pads from non-TSIB to TSIB brakes.
But, I think we can all Agree to disagree, how infinitesimal those differences will be.
Be it 10 feet, 5 feet, or 2 feet. As the pad test indicated, it looks as if the more aggressive pad was outperformed by the less aggressive pad, unless i am reading the test wrong (correct me if am).
But, we all should agree, that the feeling or responsiveness will be greatly different, and will take some time to get used to.
We also know that this pad will fail severely on any type of race track or aggressive driving test.
Lets just remember, we are just talking about a brake pad, and not an entire braking system.
Since we like braking (no pun intended
) out mathematical formulas, i have one for you...
not (a ≠ b) does not have to mean a = b.
A nilsquare or nilpotent infinitesimal can then be defined.
This is a number x where x2 = 0 is true, but x = 0 need not be true at the same time.
With an infinitesimal such as this, algebraic proofs using infinitesimals are quite rigorous, including the one given above.
No more fuzzy numbers please (as Bush would say)
I think we all can agree. That the difference in stopping distance will be very infinitesimal, when changing brake pads from non-TSIB to TSIB brakes.
But, I think we can all Agree to disagree, how infinitesimal those differences will be.
Be it 10 feet, 5 feet, or 2 feet. As the pad test indicated, it looks as if the more aggressive pad was outperformed by the less aggressive pad, unless i am reading the test wrong (correct me if am).
But, we all should agree, that the feeling or responsiveness will be greatly different, and will take some time to get used to.
We also know that this pad will fail severely on any type of race track or aggressive driving test.
Lets just remember, we are just talking about a brake pad, and not an entire braking system.
Since we like braking (no pun intended
) out mathematical formulas, i have one for you...not (a ≠ b) does not have to mean a = b.
A nilsquare or nilpotent infinitesimal can then be defined.
This is a number x where x2 = 0 is true, but x = 0 need not be true at the same time.
With an infinitesimal such as this, algebraic proofs using infinitesimals are quite rigorous, including the one given above.
No more fuzzy numbers please (as Bush would say)
Does anyone know when they are going to release this TSIB to Canadian owners? I talked to a Lexus service advisor today and he told me the brake pad swap only exists for 06-07, but not the 08.
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Guys Guys Guys....
I think we all can agree. That the difference in stopping distance will be very infinitesimal, when changing brake pads from non-TSIB to TSIB brakes.
But, I think we can all Agree to disagree, how infinitesimal those differences will be.
Be it 10 feet, 5 feet, or 2 feet. As the pad test indicated, it looks as if the more aggressive pad was outperformed by the less aggressive pad, unless i am reading the test wrong (correct me if am).
But, we all should agree, that the feeling or responsiveness will be greatly different, and will take some time to get used to.
We also know that this pad will fail severely on any type of race track or aggressive driving test.
Lets just remember, we are just talking about a brake pad, and not an entire braking system.
Since we like braking (no pun intended ) out mathematical formulas, i have one for you...
not (a ≠ b) does not have to mean a = b.
A nilsquare or nilpotent infinitesimal can then be defined.
This is a number x where x2 = 0 is true, but x = 0 need not be true at the same time.
With an infinitesimal such as this, algebraic proofs using infinitesimals are quite rigorous, including the one given above.
No more fuzzy numbers please (as Bush would say)
I think we all can agree. That the difference in stopping distance will be very infinitesimal, when changing brake pads from non-TSIB to TSIB brakes.
But, I think we can all Agree to disagree, how infinitesimal those differences will be.
Be it 10 feet, 5 feet, or 2 feet. As the pad test indicated, it looks as if the more aggressive pad was outperformed by the less aggressive pad, unless i am reading the test wrong (correct me if am).
But, we all should agree, that the feeling or responsiveness will be greatly different, and will take some time to get used to.
We also know that this pad will fail severely on any type of race track or aggressive driving test.
Lets just remember, we are just talking about a brake pad, and not an entire braking system.
Since we like braking (no pun intended
) out mathematical formulas, i have one for you...not (a ≠ b) does not have to mean a = b.
A nilsquare or nilpotent infinitesimal can then be defined.
This is a number x where x2 = 0 is true, but x = 0 need not be true at the same time.
With an infinitesimal such as this, algebraic proofs using infinitesimals are quite rigorous, including the one given above.
No more fuzzy numbers please (as Bush would say)
PLEASE FIND A NEW JOB SO YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE POSTS LIKE THIS
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I would like to report the "pro" on the Alternative pads me & Javy installed a couple of weeks ago.
I have done 5 days of hard driving after finally washing my car (dirty for over 6 weeks), my wheels still look CLEAN & fresh !!!! LoL
- Joe Z
I have done 5 days of hard driving after finally washing my car (dirty for over 6 weeks), my wheels still look CLEAN & fresh !!!! LoL
- Joe Z
Last edited by Joe Z; Oct 28, 2008 at 08:00 AM.
Sorry, late to the party ... I just read the TSIB for the brake dust problem. I have an '08 IS350 with pretty ridiculous brake dust issues, so I'd be interested in a swap...
A couple of questions:
1) Do all IS350s come standard from the factory with the "dusty" brake pads, or did some 08s and 09s get the alternative "cleaner" pads as OEM?
2) If I want the "cleaner" pads installed, do I just take a copy of the TSIB to my local dealer and set up an appointment?
3) Read some discussion on these forums of dealers wanting to charge for brake pad swap. If it's an active TSIB, can they do that?
Thanks.
... I just read the TSIB for the brake dust problem. I have an '08 IS350 with pretty ridiculous brake dust issues, so I'd be interested in a swap...A couple of questions:
1) Do all IS350s come standard from the factory with the "dusty" brake pads, or did some 08s and 09s get the alternative "cleaner" pads as OEM?
2) If I want the "cleaner" pads installed, do I just take a copy of the TSIB to my local dealer and set up an appointment?
3) Read some discussion on these forums of dealers wanting to charge for brake pad swap. If it's an active TSIB, can they do that?
Thanks.
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1. No these "alternative" pads are not standard equip on either IS250/350s for any model year. Thats why they are labeled officially as "alternative pads". 
2. Yes take a copy of the TSIB to your local dealer to save you the hassle of explaining what a "alternative pads are.
3. They should not charge you for doing any TSIB warranty work. Although the last time i went to the dealer the advisor did mention corp may start making them charge for this specific TSIB. However, it's yet to confirmed that anyones been charged...
2. Yes take a copy of the TSIB to your local dealer to save you the hassle of explaining what a "alternative pads are.
3. They should not charge you for doing any TSIB warranty work. Although the last time i went to the dealer the advisor did mention corp may start making them charge for this specific TSIB. However, it's yet to confirmed that anyones been charged...
Sorry, late to the party ... I just read the TSIB for the brake dust problem. I have an '08 IS350 with pretty ridiculous brake dust issues, so I'd be interested in a swap...
A couple of questions:
1) Do all IS350s come standard from the factory with the "dusty" brake pads, or did some 08s and 09s get the alternative "cleaner" pads as OEM?
2) If I want the "cleaner" pads installed, do I just take a copy of the TSIB to my local dealer and set up an appointment?
3) Read some discussion on these forums of dealers wanting to charge for brake pad swap. If it's an active TSIB, can they do that?
Thanks.
... I just read the TSIB for the brake dust problem. I have an '08 IS350 with pretty ridiculous brake dust issues, so I'd be interested in a swap...A couple of questions:
1) Do all IS350s come standard from the factory with the "dusty" brake pads, or did some 08s and 09s get the alternative "cleaner" pads as OEM?
2) If I want the "cleaner" pads installed, do I just take a copy of the TSIB to my local dealer and set up an appointment?
3) Read some discussion on these forums of dealers wanting to charge for brake pad swap. If it's an active TSIB, can they do that?
Thanks.
Appreciate the info 
1. No these "alternative" pads are not standard equip on either IS250/350s for any model year. Thats why they are labeled officially as "alternative pads".
2. Yes take a copy of the TSIB to your local dealer to save you the hassle of explaining what a "alternative pads are.
3. They should not charge you for doing any TSIB warranty work. Although the last time i went to the dealer the advisor did mention corp may start making them charge for this specific TSIB. However, it's yet to confirmed that anyones been charged...
2. Yes take a copy of the TSIB to your local dealer to save you the hassle of explaining what a "alternative pads are.
3. They should not charge you for doing any TSIB warranty work. Although the last time i went to the dealer the advisor did mention corp may start making them charge for this specific TSIB. However, it's yet to confirmed that anyones been charged...
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My car is a 08 delivered on august first week in canada.
apparently my car already CAME with alternative pads which is not true because i get dust in a day of driving.. i would take my pads off and show them the part # if it wasent so cold out here.
any ideas how to get a dealer to do this?
apparently my car already CAME with alternative pads which is not true because i get dust in a day of driving.. i would take my pads off and show them the part # if it wasent so cold out here.
any ideas how to get a dealer to do this?
My car is a 08 delivered on august first week in canada.
apparently my car already CAME with alternative pads which is not true because i get dust in a day of driving.. i would take my pads off and show them the part # if it wasent so cold out here.
any ideas how to get a dealer to do this?
apparently my car already CAME with alternative pads which is not true because i get dust in a day of driving.. i would take my pads off and show them the part # if it wasent so cold out here.
any ideas how to get a dealer to do this?
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i have but because its the american version, the service manager decided to call into lexus canada and give them my VIN number to verify.
he said no but he said if i am having the problem then he will take a picture of my rims and send it to lexus canada. hahaha
ill try anoter dealership
he said no but he said if i am having the problem then he will take a picture of my rims and send it to lexus canada. hahaha
ill try anoter dealership
Just had this done on my Lexus during my 15k service. Hopefully it will help. At first the service manager pointed out my excessive brake dust and said "lets take care of the brake dust next time". Well the next time was my 15k and I pointed it out to the service guy with the tsib in hand. He said he'll put a note on it for the mechanics to look at. I got my car back later in the evening and he said they replaced the brake pads. Hopefully I'll notice a difference in brake dust. So far, no squeaks or noises coming from brakes. I looked at receipt, looks like they put on 04465-53030 part number for the brake.